So you mean the same flash than runs on a multitude of Windows machines. And runs perfectly I might add. It runs on everything from 2000 to 7 and I've never seen or heard of Adobe Flash crashing a Windows machine. So how come the Apple team with their "it just works motto" unable to get this working on their computers?

And don't expect HTML 5 to come rushing in and be the savior for Apple. You're talking about content providers changing their entire backend to support outputting HTML 5 video. So you're talking a lot of money.

I'm sure once it's all worked out Apple will put a pretty interface and act like they designed the whole thing.

We all know that Iphone App Store would haemorrhage if Flash or Java runtimes were supported, thus Apple is looking out for its business interests.

According to Gizmodo, MacRumors and Daring Fireball, Wired paraphrased Jobs (and kind of unfairly).

Daring Fireball: "'He actually said ‘teams at Google want to kill us.’ He never said it in a way that made it sound like the whole company did. Mostly just the Android team.'"

Gizmodo: "Most of Wired's quotes are paraphrased, and with that came some discrepancies between what may have been said and what was written to page. One change being "bullshit" was probably more along the lines of "full of crap." So, same sentiment, different word choice. Also, while the lazy quote hasn't been disputed, the tone may have been. Daring Fireball's John Gruber said an attendee wrote to say Jobs was actually very nostalgic about the "kick ass Adobe of old.""

Flash has always *sucked* on the Mac. As a mac user i'm glad Apple is pushing Flash out of the market (youtube is already moving away to HML5+H.264). The software was buggy, slow and the quality the content was presented in just plain sucked(low frame rate, aliased n blocky, etc). I guess Adobe just thought that due to the small market share of the Mac, they didnt need to make a quality product. Now the situation is reversed and i'm glad Apple is shunning this dodgy proprietary software. Also, Its shocking that the code in Adobe's other products are legacy from pre-MacOSX, and Photoshop does not even support 64-bit on the Mac even today, considering Apple went 64-bit with the G5, over 5 years ago. That's lazy, and Apple, Jobs nor Mac users need to put up with being second-class customers.

On the issue with regard to the industry, it's not like Apple is pushing its own proprietary technology(like DirectX, WMV, SilverLight, ASP, IIS, etc). They are popularizing industry standards such as MPEG, HTML, WebKit, OpenCL, OpenGL, *NIX, Apache, etc.... so kudos to them again for keeping the web open and free.

I, for one, do not want to see Flash on any device every again. It's the content i care about, from sites like YouTube, and i'm glad they are abandoning Flash for something better in every respect.

Apple needs to come down off their high horse and get with the program. Every other phone, including "dumb phones" have supported Flash forever and the fact is that a lot of websites use it. So we should limit the content we can consume because Jobs thinks his way is so much better? Seriously dude, you're not God, nor Jesus. Give the people what they want. The iPhone will be in trouble when the Android Dell phone arrives.

The pot is calling the kettle black...!

Seems to me Steves a bit bitter at the moment. Google voice is an app lots of people would use and shouldn't have been denied how can it be evil to provide a service people want which has been denied by apple. I see an anti-trust case coming.

As for blu-ray apple should be putting it into quick time not blame other software. I suspect the true issue is they can't meet the content copy protection scheme requirements which were built into vista when it was released.

The flash stuff may be valid I just don't know. I know I have wanted a 64 bit version for a long time and there still isn't one. Although I don't see how even if it is buggy it is a particular problem if the crashes are handled by the operating system properly. Also I can't remember the last tiem I have had a crash in windows when using flash they probably share some code base.

Good news about the iPhone hopefully a much larger upgrade than the 3GS.

So is Steve Jobs saying that its ok to be evil?

if he buys one of my 'Sloe' music centres for his car and it then only allows his car to drive to 'Sloe' approved sites?
Dont try and sell me a crippled computer and then get pissed off when someone fixes it.
If you don't want your customers to use the Internet make your own you parasitic little Luddite. 'Oh I dont want other people riding on my technological innovations - well get off the information internet highway you road hog!