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Terrible yield

Wow, if that yield percentage is accurate, TSMC would really appear to be struggling. This isn't even having incorporated hi-k / metal gates yet. Intel had much better yields on the 45nm hi-k process even early in that technology. A $5k wafer cost is pretty cheap for 40nm, though I have no idea what their wafer start numbers look like.
Of course, as noted above the chip design (redundancy, robustness), overall defect density and transistor performance targeting/variation all play roles in limiting the final yield.

posted by : jgmillr1, 14 January 2010 Complain about this comment
Charlie Demerjian

Please write a stinging technical article on this for The Inq. Please. Pretty please, although that is pushing it a bit!

posted by : interested_party, 14 January 2010 Complain about this comment
RE: $5000 per wafer????

$5000 is a reasonable estimate for the latest process wafer cost. But if you do not like it use your own figure. At the current "yields" the differential is going to be the same about 5x more expensive per unit for Fermi GPU. Even at similar defect rates per wafer Fermi will still cost about double what Cypress does. Just the way it works.

posted by : paulhamm, 13 January 2010 Complain about this comment
$5000 per wafer????

Where does this number come from? IS this a public quote of what TSMC charges for a wafer at 40nm or something from an undisclosed hat?

posted by : RobD, 13 January 2010 Complain about this comment
70% is better than 40%

If TSMC have improved their yields from 40% to 70% in the past few months, then AMD and their other customers will be far happier. They would have been worried that they wouldn't get above 50%!

And at <$40 a die for Cypress (and how cheap would the new 400SP Redwood be, at ~110mm^2?) AMD hopefully are making a few bob whilst they can!

Better than Toms Hardware who claimed AMD were getting 4% yields yesterday...

posted by : JeeBee, 13 January 2010 Complain about this comment
one word

reportedly

posted by : nameless1, 13 January 2010 Complain about this comment
Where does the Inq get these muppets?

Yield percentages are a function of how big and how complex each chip on the wafer is. Put a small and simple design on the wafter and you'll get near 100% yields.

AMD's Cypress GPUs, which are by no means small and simple, are reportedly yielding between 60 and 80%. That's not at all bad for a leading edge process. Translating it into cost numbers, you'll get about 200 Cypress chips out of a $5000 12 inch 40nm wafer. 70% yield equates to a cost price of about $36 per chip.

nVidia on the other hand are reportedly getting yields of about 20% from their rather larger Fermi chip. You'll only manage to fit something like 120 Fermi chips on a 12 inch wafer so a 20% yield gives you 24 good chips at $208 per chip. That's not so good.

posted by : Steve T, 13 January 2010 Complain about this comment

TSMC 40nm yields are disappointing

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