As if it's not yet expensive enough to have Office installed on your computer. I would download Openoffice but I need Outlook for work. Considering that you also have to pay for at least one third-party-product, (in my case the search tool lookeen for Outlook) because at least one programm of Office is not working the way you want, the price is not justified. That is the reason I'll stick to Office 2007.
Meatpie, Tools, Mail Merge - wtf is that in 2007's ribbon?
Seriously, I can do Tools, Mail Merge and I'm into the mail merge thing-a-majjig. WTF is that in the ribbon?
And the way it handles fields is different - I had to go through old documents that merge with spreadsheets and start adding in extra nonsense with brackets and other crap - just to do what I did before in 2 steps.
2 steps - Tools, Mail Merge. If they could make it 1 step then great.
Ribbon is total and utter shit.
I've converted to Openoffice at least 12 people I know since I told them about it. And all because of the ribbon.
as a non vegitarian/factory worker who manageged to use this program to make a software manual with inserted pictures cool borders and high lighted fonts and titles without a support team, i didnt find it to bad.
Ok ill admit that in other peoples line of work time is critical (although at my office all they would need to do is stop goofin off browsin the web and browse the program).
as much as i like the old (file edit view)menu you have to admit that when a drop down obscures most of the screen something needs to be done. they may not have done it right but they are trying.
as a geek i have used alot of different software on different devices, most companys use different ways to move around there software its a givin.
you people did manage to learn how to use your iphones, blackbearys,your gps and hopefully managed to stop the dvr from flashing 12:00.
I have to agree with the majority of people here: meatpie - I bet you’re a vegetarian...
We develop and support MS Office linked applications, sad as that might be to loads of people, but it’s true. Nearly 99.9% of our clients install and use Ms Office. That said, I don’t blame them for that as I think the product up until 2003, was a nice piece of software.
The problem I have is the change in the menu bar as many of you have pointed out. We now have to re-train all our support personnel on the product because it’s all still there; just that no one knows where the hell they put it?
Nice one Bill and Steve! Thanks for a pile of un-necessary extra work that we are forced to do. This includes creating new bloody documentation for their products to do ‘exactly’ what it did before...
Here’s a thought: why the hell didn’t you make the new-look bar an option, or is this the way all new MS Office products are going to be? (Office 2010 – it’s a rhetorical question, right?)
Lots of pains in the arse,
Dave xxx
Silly arguments are that you have to learn something wrong to do a work that you can already do in the best way. Sillier is that chinese get your job if you don't learn to use a such tool, but this argument sprang up from your mind (see your previous post).
By the way, by chance is it MS that instills such bullshit in your mind?
For years I have taught students (business and academic)that once you have learned to use a hierarchical menu structure in one program, you have learned to use virtually all programs. That was one of MS's strengths. Pandering to the flashy look brigade is OK as an optional extra, but removing the hierachical text menu was the worst mistake MS ever made, and tolls the death knell of Office.
Incidentally, I have used and liked Word, Excel and Access since their first DOS versions, and until now have welcomed and embraced each new version of Office. My view of 07/10 is not prejudice or open source mania. MS have just simply produced a very bad product
On average, during 2009 the Italian version of OpenOffice.org has averaged a Boston marathon a day, i.e. over 20.000 downloads, for a total of 7.9 million downloads in twelve months.
Funny, though, that according to Microsoft Italy downloads have never been a measure of OOo's success, while they are now a measure for the corporation.
They should put their ends together.
Don't worry about chines, they'll get your job anywhere because they can already do, without the Office menu bar, what you are attempting to do learning the Office menu bar, with the vantage that don't have nothing else to learn before doing your job.
If you want to keep your work, you need tools that allow to do it and not tools that slow down it.
I dont care what the menu bar looks like. I will learn how to use it if need be. You need to keep learning and keep moving forward, and if you wont, dont get all pissed off when the chinese get your job. You know they dont give a rats... what the menu bar looks like. If your a home user than who cares what you think.
I'll throw my Office 2010 beta into the harbour as I run past.... That is the only reason I've heard of Boston, but hey... kudos to M$ for finding an American city I've heard of....
Piece of Software Office 2007 was (YEAH RIGHT!!), I'll probably just stick tight to my copy of Office 2003, for now.
Really WTF were Microsoft thinking, going 'round changing the Menu Bar like that??
They even had the audacity (well at least in the Beta Version), to pull this crap with MS Paint, (On Windows 7).
No the old Grey Granite Stone Wheel is good enough for me.
I don't need, nor do I want it in wonderful Rainbow colors of Carbon Fiber.
The sooner Microsoft makes a return to reason and sanity (i.e. IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T BLOODY WELL TRY TO FIX IT!!), the sooner I'll be likely to make the upgrade!!
I've been filling in bug reports... ermm I mean, beta testing it since the Tech Preview. The 64-bit version is seriously flaky and furthermore can't even sync contacts with Windows Mobile PDAs!
So this news seems a bit too soon - I'm feeling a Vista not a Windows 7 here...
As if it's not yet expensive enough to have Office installed on your computer. I would download Openoffice but I need Outlook for work. Considering that you also have to pay for at least one third-party-product, (in my case the search tool lookeen for Outlook) because at least one programm of Office is not working the way you want, the price is not justified. That is the reason I'll stick to Office 2007.
this is a great answer, if the tool doesnt work for you get a different tool and help others find the tools they need. works better than crying.
and if the company you work for wont allow this than you gotta do what you gotta do. man up.
dont worry interested_part has started the revolution for you.
Seriously, I can do Tools, Mail Merge and I'm into the mail merge thing-a-majjig. WTF is that in the ribbon?
And the way it handles fields is different - I had to go through old documents that merge with spreadsheets and start adding in extra nonsense with brackets and other crap - just to do what I did before in 2 steps.
2 steps - Tools, Mail Merge. If they could make it 1 step then great.
Ribbon is total and utter shit.
I've converted to Openoffice at least 12 people I know since I told them about it. And all because of the ribbon.
as a non vegitarian/factory worker who manageged to use this program to make a software manual with inserted pictures cool borders and high lighted fonts and titles without a support team, i didnt find it to bad.
Ok ill admit that in other peoples line of work time is critical (although at my office all they would need to do is stop goofin off browsin the web and browse the program).
as much as i like the old (file edit view)menu you have to admit that when a drop down obscures most of the screen something needs to be done. they may not have done it right but they are trying.
as a geek i have used alot of different software on different devices, most companys use different ways to move around there software its a givin.
you people did manage to learn how to use your iphones, blackbearys,your gps and hopefully managed to stop the dvr from flashing 12:00.
I have to agree with the majority of people here: meatpie - I bet you’re a vegetarian...
We develop and support MS Office linked applications, sad as that might be to loads of people, but it’s true. Nearly 99.9% of our clients install and use Ms Office. That said, I don’t blame them for that as I think the product up until 2003, was a nice piece of software.
The problem I have is the change in the menu bar as many of you have pointed out. We now have to re-train all our support personnel on the product because it’s all still there; just that no one knows where the hell they put it?
Nice one Bill and Steve! Thanks for a pile of un-necessary extra work that we are forced to do. This includes creating new bloody documentation for their products to do ‘exactly’ what it did before...
Here’s a thought: why the hell didn’t you make the new-look bar an option, or is this the way all new MS Office products are going to be? (Office 2010 – it’s a rhetorical question, right?)
Lots of pains in the arse,
Dave xxx
Silly arguments are that you have to learn something wrong to do a work that you can already do in the best way. Sillier is that chinese get your job if you don't learn to use a such tool, but this argument sprang up from your mind (see your previous post).
By the way, by chance is it MS that instills such bullshit in your mind?
For years I have taught students (business and academic)that once you have learned to use a hierarchical menu structure in one program, you have learned to use virtually all programs. That was one of MS's strengths. Pandering to the flashy look brigade is OK as an optional extra, but removing the hierachical text menu was the worst mistake MS ever made, and tolls the death knell of Office.
Incidentally, I have used and liked Word, Excel and Access since their first DOS versions, and until now have welcomed and embraced each new version of Office. My view of 07/10 is not prejudice or open source mania. MS have just simply produced a very bad product
On average, during 2009 the Italian version of OpenOffice.org has averaged a Boston marathon a day, i.e. over 20.000 downloads, for a total of 7.9 million downloads in twelve months.
Funny, though, that according to Microsoft Italy downloads have never been a measure of OOo's success, while they are now a measure for the corporation.
They should put their ends together.
how much time does it take to learn how to use a menu bar? this is a silly arguement.
Don't worry about chines, they'll get your job anywhere because they can already do, without the Office menu bar, what you are attempting to do learning the Office menu bar, with the vantage that don't have nothing else to learn before doing your job.
If you want to keep your work, you need tools that allow to do it and not tools that slow down it.
On the most conservative measure, OpenOffice.org gets over two hundred thousand downloads a day.
Sounds like the message is getting through ... despite the Microsoft marketing machine going into overdrive.
I dont care what the menu bar looks like. I will learn how to use it if need be. You need to keep learning and keep moving forward, and if you wont, dont get all pissed off when the chinese get your job. You know they dont give a rats... what the menu bar looks like. If your a home user than who cares what you think.
I'll throw my Office 2010 beta into the harbour as I run past.... That is the only reason I've heard of Boston, but hey... kudos to M$ for finding an American city I've heard of....
As far as I can see, MS didn't say this, they simply haven't announced the upgrade pricing yet.
They frighten and confuse me.
Piece of Software Office 2007 was (YEAH RIGHT!!), I'll probably just stick tight to my copy of Office 2003, for now.
Really WTF were Microsoft thinking, going 'round changing the Menu Bar like that??
They even had the audacity (well at least in the Beta Version), to pull this crap with MS Paint, (On Windows 7).
No the old Grey Granite Stone Wheel is good enough for me.
I don't need, nor do I want it in wonderful Rainbow colors of Carbon Fiber.
The sooner Microsoft makes a return to reason and sanity (i.e. IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T BLOODY WELL TRY TO FIX IT!!), the sooner I'll be likely to make the upgrade!!
i wont even bother to test it with a torrent, darn peace of junk is useless.
I've been filling in bug reports... ermm I mean, beta testing it since the Tech Preview. The 64-bit version is seriously flaky and furthermore can't even sync contacts with Windows Mobile PDAs!
So this news seems a bit too soon - I'm feeling a Vista not a Windows 7 here...
Or you could use the free web versions and give the desktop versions a miss.