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Patents vs. complexity

What we see here is that there's a possibility to block complex product based on 10-13 patents of tiny components of these products. This is extremaly dangerous, as such type of patent system could potentially make it impossible to create complex products, as there's no way for them not to infringe some sort of "tiny" patents.

Patent system worked well when one patent equalled one product. Like in case of mousetrap patents etc. Now, when most products are complex it is just a parasitic lawyers arena.

Since such kind of patent nonsense is practiced mostly in limited number of countries, with US being the record breaking one, the best way for company to limit their risk is to move out of these countries altogether. Move not only manufacturing but also engeneering and management to countries that make it more difficult to get patent infrigment damages. Leave only marketing and local sales & lawyers forces in such countries.

This way even if you loose in US an similar countries you still have your engeneering and manufacturing intact, and can produce and sell your products in the rest of the world, which btw. consists majority of the world and the makret.

posted by : mpx, 30 December 2009 Complain about this comment
Re: And not just Nokia...

"These things only appeared AFTER Apple made iPhone..."

Sure, Apple integrated a bunch of stuff into one unit while Nokia and Sony Ericsson were busy setting the world records for menu depth and number of useless options in a top-level menu, but the stuff you list is all prior art.

Personally, I can't see why anyone would be all corporate fanboy about this stuff. Apple could turn round and take a dump on you at any time, as they have to numerous customers. What then for the fanboy, eh?

posted by : Horse, 15 December 2009 Complain about this comment
OMG you have to be a knob to buy an apple pc.

Judging by the nonsense that the danbois spout, you really have to be a knob to buy an apple pc.

And the iphone is a south Korean copycat. Excellent. LOL.

posted by : interested_party, 15 December 2009 Complain about this comment
Its not Farelly's fault

The apple fanboys are an entertaining bunch. Doesn't matter whether the article is by Nick Farrell or some bloke down at the pub.

posted by : Sid, 14 December 2009 Complain about this comment
F*** off morons

Apple is not only useless as far as innovation, they are stopping it all together. How the hell can you patent the way you move a picture with your fingers. REALLY?! your going to patent multi-touch technology, go f*** yourself, and all your mindless slaves. Patents are slowing down progress as a whole, and apple is at the front of it. They even stole the iPhone name. I know, shocking, there was an iPhone before the iPhone that wasn't made by apple, kinda makes your head hurt, huh? Or do you forget everthing pre-iPod?

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-5773923.html

read that, die, and when you get to hell read this

http://mashable.com/2009/01/26/apple-multi-touch-patent/

And windows 7, yeah, my idea.

posted by : brickling, 14 December 2009 Complain about this comment
Yeah right

My 2002 Toshiba tabletPC has got screen rotated according to accelerometer readings. I guess dozens of devices used it earlier.
Multi-touch is the only thing where apple went ahead, but is a multi-touch GUI (which is mostly quite obvious) something that you're supposed to patent?
I have got no problems with some funky multi-touch screen technology etc. But patenting GUI is just stupid.
If you're looking for a touch-screen phone look for the P800 from SonyEricsson that was so much earlier. Only multi-touch screen is missing.

posted by : MirekCz, 14 December 2009 Complain about this comment
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Leave Apple alone !!1!

posted by : Chris Crocker, 14 December 2009 Complain about this comment
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This site attracts close minded morons.

missingxtensio - enjoyr your plastic tack 'high tech' phone and f*ck off then.

Im sick of the anti Apple bullshit this site spews and attracts.

Apple - shut this lol of a site down.

posted by : C, 14 December 2009 Complain about this comment
Apple fans make my head hurt

The Nokia 5500 sport with a built in accelerometer was released before the iphone was even announced. What other 'features' are you talking about? Let me guess, 3G and built in wifi...

posted by : jesus was a rockstar, 13 December 2009 Complain about this comment
History has REALLY shown...

... that when this happens the usual end result is a cross-licensing agreement. That's what almost always happens.

Software patenting just needs to die. In fact they should have been drowned at birth.

posted by : Gordon, 13 December 2009 Complain about this comment
History has shown...

History has shown that when a countersuit is filed, it's usually because the counter sueing company believes that it will loose the original suit. SO, basically Apple is sunk on this one.

posted by : Narg, 12 December 2009 Complain about this comment
I'm not writing this because Zsolt is an ediot... because he is.

We hate apple because they did what they do best. They free and open architectures and ideas and make a big deal when they release. Then you Zsolt eate it up.
They take/steal BSD then release it a locked down proprietary Iphone from it.
This is an article from March 23, 2007 4:00 AM from cnet.

"Several handset manufacturers including, Nokia, Samsung Electronics, LG Electronics, and even newcomer Apple have used accelerometer technology to provide some kind of motion-sensing capability in a handful of handset models.

Not in the U.S.--yet
Most of these phones have been available only in South Korea or Japan, where cutting-edge cell phone features typically originate. In the U.S., Apple's iPhone will be one of the first phones to use accelerometer technology."
Now can you choke on this and die?

posted by : missingxtension, 12 December 2009 Complain about this comment
And not just Nokia...

I'm not writing this because I'm an Apple fan... because I am, but I still have an open mind, to look around and realize what's happening...

do you remember ANY phones/PDAs looking like iPhone? Do you remember ANY phones/PDAs with the features of the iPhone?

now take a look to the other side: as soon as Apple announced iPhone, LG, HTC, Samsung, Nokia, Toshiba, O2 (and an endless list of phone makers) started to advertise their iPhone clone... looking like exactly the same, with exactly the same features, but working worse...

do you remember ANY mobiles with multy (eventually 6 pont) touch screen? Accelerometer, so if you rotate your mobile the screen rotates too?
Applications for (not) nearly everything?

These things only appeared AFTER Apple made iPhone...

You hate Apple because they are proud of their inventions, developments that actually work...

and you love others that copy these, and proud of their theft... which doesn't work...

now come on... flame on me... like Nokia lies to Apple... ¬.¬

posted by : Zsolt Zele, 12 December 2009 Complain about this comment
Great move.

Gentleman we have a mexican standoff here. The sooner we have the patent courts realize that these patents are wasting more money then they are protecting the better.

posted by : Deanjo, 11 December 2009 Complain about this comment
How Refreshing -

How refreshing... An article about Apple NOT written by Nick the Ferret.

posted by : Farrelled by Nik, 11 December 2009 Complain about this comment
Patnets

Among the patents Apple accuses Nokia of infringing:

No. 5,634,074 : Serial I/O device identifies itself to a computer through a serial interface during power on reset then it is being configured by the computer
No. 6,343,263 B1 : Real-time signal processing system for serially transmitted data
No. 5,915,131 : Method and apparatus for handling I/O requests utilizing separate programming interfaces to access separate I/O services
No. 5,555,369: Method of creating packages for a pointer-based computer system
No. 6,239,795 B1: Pattern and color abstraction in a graphical user interface
No. 5,315,703: Object-oriented notification framework system
No. 6,189,034 B1: Method and apparatus for dynamic launching of a teleconferencing application upon receipt of a call
No. 7,469,381, B2: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
No. RE 39, 486 E: Extensible, replaceable network component system
No. 5,455,854: Object-oriented telephony system
No. 7,383,453 B2: Conserving power by reducing voltage supplied to an instruction-processing portion of a processor
No. 5,848,105: GMSK signal processors for improved communications capacity and quality
No. 5, 379,431: Boot framework architecture for dynamic staged initial program load

posted by : lol, 11 December 2009 Complain about this comment
what a joke!

This is another another example of stupidity by apple.

posted by : bohemian, 11 December 2009 Complain about this comment

Apple countersues Nokia

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