To the guy who is an Apple seller who reckons he has sold 200 without any returns, I call bullsh*t.

I'm collecting my third 27" iMac in a row on Saturday, the first two having had all kinds of problems. You only need to take a look at the Internet to see that THOUSANDS of people are experiencing problems with these machines.

And they have been since their launch in October 2009. It's unacceptable for machines that are allegedly high end.

Quote..

"Mass Effect 2 is due to release and the recommended specs, not minimum are:

PC RECOMMENDED System Requirements
Windows XP SP3 / Windows Vista SP1 / Windows 7
2.6+ GHz Cure 2 Duo Intel or equivalent AMD CPU
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT, or better recommended

Here is the specs of High end iMac
2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive
ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB
2560 x 1440 resolution

Any iMac will run any PC game and the one above will crush almost any PC game."

Should I laugh now, or later... hmm...

2.6 GHz core 2 duo vs 2.8 GHz i7 QUAD
2 GB DDR2 vs 4 GB DDR3 of RAM
HD 2900 XT vs HD 4850

The MAC requirement specs are almost double of the PC's just to play the SAME GAME? HUH???

Let me break it down for all the hurt little fanbois, I've never inn my 10 years in IT ever come across an out of the box Wintel system that was so woefully flawed from day 1. So what, the screen's S-IPS and the jump from 2 to 4 cores is a big one (is it? really?), none of these excuse Crapple's crappy quality control.

It's one thing to have an all in one, overpriced system with teething trouble but it's the Jobsian/fanboi arrogance that makes their shortcomings more funny/irritating/embarrasssing than any Wintel ones. MS will offer a red-faced, lip-service apology if they break something, Jobs & Co will pretty much tell you to f**k off til they're good and ready to blame cigarette smoke or their chinese outsourced manufacturers.

In tales of Apple woes it's always the evangelical attitude of their fans and their attempts to whitewash even the most excusable of faults that makes the stories more interesting than anyone elses :P

Okay,

I've read your article, and I completely agree with some parts Nick. Purchasing a product at this extremely high price and receiving problems of this nature is COMPLETELY unacceptable, not just by apples standards, but as someone else said, any product cheap or expensive.

However, your generic apple bashing is completely unacceptable in terms of unbiased article writing. I'll be honest, i made the switch from hardcore gamer to Mactard about a month ago, and believe me i'm loving every second of using this machine, but i'm not going to get into the debate of mac and pc.

My point is, you can buy a 30" screen at a resolution slightly lower than the 27"s for around £1000, so lets nock £100 off, say £900 for the display alone in the mac.

Then add on the core i5 2.66ghz, 1tb hdd, 4gb memory and the 4850GPU, purchasing this as a PC based venture with win 7 and equivalent software that comes with the mac, your looking at around £400-500 anyway including bluetooth mouse and keyboard.

for the system you get, with that awesome display and the fact that everything is integrated, i think is a good value for money machine. As for your games comment, i'm pretty sure that 1TB drive would provide your space for a win partition for some gaming.

Nick, please try to keep your articles unbiased, some of us really do have money to piss away :P and we want to feel good doing it!

Apple should be offering applecare to any consumer purchasing this machine as a freebie considering its potential problems.

-Jcuk

The first and most apparent setoff for this was the fact that he doesn't know how to properly spell "iMac". It's lowercase i, capital M, lowercase ac. iMac. Not Imac. Really... If you're gonna do an article on a product, use it's correct name. (For those idiots who question the lowercase "i", it's an acronym character for, back in 1997's release, "internet, individual, instruct, inform, and inspire.")
This is a big-ish jump for Apple, going from dual core to quad core, I doubt it would have been smooth anyway. So the graphics are a little jumpy, it's a driver issue. Apple will release a patch soon, and all will be well. PCs, though have been using quad core for many years, still can't take hold of the power in those chipsets.
Does anyone here remember the issues people were having with their hard drives? It was the first time Apple implemented 500GB drives, at 7200rpm in their machines. After a couple complaints, they had a patch released, fixing the problem. This is the same ordeal; creating an Intel-to-nVidia/ATI driver, on the Unix core, 64-bit capable. Oh, and one that actually works, not the crappy bloatware you'll get from HP or Micro$oft.
The place I work at bought 200 of these for our IT department, and we haven't had any issues.
My biggest problem with this article, is that the Author is clearly biased. Do some fair journalism, oh wait, you wouldn't know what that is. Just because you can't afford an iMac doesn't mean you need to bash it. "Fruit themed toy maker"? You're clearly a Micro$oft cult member, aren't you? They're called a "Mac" because of the Macintosh Apple. The company is called "Apple" because of Newton's laws of gravity, his first encounter being with the apple falling out of the tree, the theory of "two things that go together perfectly" being gravity and the apple. Also, Steve Jobs dealt a lot with apples growing up, working at an orchard, not to mention apples being his favorite fruit. To put it blatantly, I'm clarifying reasons as to why you sound so arrogantly stupid. They're not a "toymaker" either. Just because their pretty AND powerful, doesn't mean they're toys in comparison to your half-stable ugly boxes you call personal computers.
Oh, and the classic argument, that "Macs" (not "Apples", you idiot) don't have any games. Though the library for Macs themselves is limited "there's an app for that", you retards forget a very key detail; Macs run Windows, through Parallels or VMware. Those two programs have the graphics engines to play any game - Mac or PC - with the Mac's high end hardware. To sum it up, "A Mac can do anything and everything a PC can - and then some." And that statement is 100% true. Virtualization is powerful, something your PCs haven't caught onto yet. One of the biggest reasons for a screen that large is for *serious* video and photo work. You PCs wouldn't know about that kind of stuff, only Macs have a STABLE movie maker built in, Windows Movie Maker isn't even comparable.
The screens are 27" for crying out loud, some of them are bound to break; the people shipping it don't care, it's not theirs. They're not going to be gentle with it, so some of them are bound to break. Same with the chipsets, if they're not being handled well during shipping, enough jostling and miscarriages is enough to disembody any computer's internals.
One last question. Do you honestly think when you're writing this? Or is it "It's a Mac... I don't have one... let's make it sound like hardware from hell!"? Common sense says you don't have any. If you're going to write an article, you've got to be unbiased, or else you get people like me wanting to shake the brains (or what's left of them) out of your skull because you're so nearsighted and blinded you can't see over your cultish ways. 95% of people who use a Mac, open minded, enjoy it. They may not always switch, but they enjoy it. The other 5% is the people who don't WANT to like it, and make the worst if it. Seriously, try a Mac out. They're not nearly as bad as you make them sound. (And their 20 second boot time is wonderful by comparison)

Mac has lost its pride

I am Sure mac will b COME back /b soon to fix this.

Lets see, what do you get that is so different...
lets start with an Intel motherboad and Chip, not a lot difference here comparing a 'Cheap 'intel centrino based laptop and a $2k apple one,

USB and Ethernet? spade is a spade
RAM is RAM, Apple ram costs a lot more hen you buy it form them(and no, they dont make ram either)
hard disks, nothing here any different,
screen, 6bit colour?-didn;t know that, enough said

Video, At least the dont use the Fukken GMA, apple use dedicated, YAY!
score one, unfortunately not unique.
Adds approx $100 to price

OK, however you get a really nice Keyboard(c/w only 1 mouse button) and a nice plastic case with fans on the top as opposed to underneath.
Thats easily worth another $100

That leaves only one thing
the stickeris easily worth the rest of the price difference, you dont get one of them on windows.

@Adam
I seriously doubt than your 'experience' were even true. And even that's true that 'poor' guy does spent 1500 plus 200 for maintenance on.. TWO computers not ONE.

As for HP quality, I still have a 2002 P3 HP/Compaq Presario laptop 'built for Windows 2000' still running WinXP. While I'm guessing his 'faulty' one probably from the EVO 'cheapo' series, not Presario.

Then, harddrive crash? Bollocks. If the HDD crashed, be it hardware or driver related issue, it's under warranty, 2 months old FSS! Probably a software related issue? His fault for being so dumb then. But 200 for a OS installation is way too much, don't you think?

As for the printer issue, that was the funniest thing I ever heard. What printer on earth that will print on a mac but not on windows, not not mention vista!

You have to sell your BS somewhere else, on a fanboi forum perhaps?

HAHAHA. CANNOT PRINT!!! SERIOUSLY???

While this 'Richard Stalman' sounds like what he would sound, he can't be dumb enough to post something like this in a totally out of place situation.

I hope you were joking. Seriously, Linux?

Macs, made for 10 yr olds by 10 yr olds.

I am laughing SOOO hard at the Macboi fans / Windows haters...

When Nick writes about Windows he writes in the EXACT SAME HUMOUROUS STYLE!!! When he does so, we Windows users laugh and say "haha he got us!"

When he writes the same way about Linux, they say "Meh, we are a minority but we are smart enough to take care of ourselves. We don't need MS or Apple" and they move on.

When he writes about Macs... you guys go absolutely CRAZY!!!!!!! Seriously it's absolutely hilarious to see this.

" @Regulas

"Here is the specs of High end iMac
2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive
ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB
2560 x 1440 resolution"

Only 4GB of RAM? The Core i7 has three memory channels: Does that mean that every iMac owner is using a CPU that has 33% of its bandwidth hobbled?"

Not to mention that GAME CRUSHING 512mb of GPU memory.... HAHAHA

I'm just trolling, but since people just keep complaining about nonsense.....I've had many macs in my time. I use them on a daily bases simply because they do all the things I need a computer for better and more efficiently. I used to be a an academic, I've worked in IT and compose music regularly, and I can't imagine trying to get anything done without my mac. It's not fanboyism, or arrogance, but as a complete system pcs cannot compete with macs.
If I build it myself it will be cheaper!? Yeah, if I build my own house or car it will be cheaper too. In my experience the price of the hardware really isn't that different to comparable pc systems.
What else..Games.. I just finished Fallout 3 on my macbook pro...before that I was playing Dead Space. On my laptop. My beautiful aluminium laptop.

"Here is the specs of High end iMac
2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive
ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB
2560 x 1440 resolution"

Only 4GB of RAM? The Core i7 has three memory channels: Does that mean that every iMac owner is using a CPU that has 33% of its bandwidth hobbled?

"Apple fans were positively thrilled when the fruit-themed toymaker announced it would produce an Imac with a 27-inch screen. Quite why anyone would want an Apple with a screen that big is beyond us, since it's not like you are going to be able to play games on it."

i've been using 27" screen for almost two years and no way i'm going back to anything smaller. new 27" screen used on imacs, as you forgot to mention Nick, has also much higher resolution than standard 27" which means you can get more on your desktop, very good for any sort of work which requires more apps and more windows. Nick, are you still using 17" lcd from dell?

What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

My Windows 7 x64 at work blackouts the main screen all the time. Sometimes a couple of times in a row. Upgraded NVidia drivers a couple of times but it hasn't resolved the problem. A guess Apple isn't the only maker of operating systems with flaws. But then again maybe my 4 GB win 7 is too busy swapping to refresh the screen and that is something Apple can't use to excuse screen blanking behavior.
Vista is the best thing that MS put out. It forced me to look for alternatives. I will probably never buy an MS machine again for home. It's sad enough I have to use MS at work.

I can't really comment on what other people have had problems with but I can just tell me story. I use to rag on my friend about how he still uses a PC. I bought my first mac about 2 years ago when I entered college (a 17inch macbook pro $2000). My friend bought a Hp 17 inch which cost him about $800. He made sure to first point out the fact I payed over twice as much. However, about a year after using it the screen in it died. Since it was out of warranty he would have had to pay an arm and a leg to get it fixed let alone wait to get it fixed. So he bought another one. this time about $700. Same 17inch Hp within two months his hardrive crashed and had to pay $200 more to get that fixed. so that brings to the total of of $1700 he has spent over the past two years on his PC. Let alone all the times he had to print a paper on my mac cause he couldn't get vista to work with his printer. Over the past 2 years I haven't had a single problem or headache. And I play a shit load of games on here. Red alert 3, WoW and so on and play them on maxed graphics. So idk what he is talking about not being able to play games and if their was a game that didn't have a mac version then I just boot up windows on my mac and play with the kick a** hardware. Also if I ever had even the smallest problem then I can just make an appointment with a mac genius for help. When I had a problem with my PC when I used one. I spent an 2 hours on the phone with going through transfers and speaking with people that could barely speak english. I mean come on so I switched to a mac to try it out and will probably never buy a PC again in my life. This is just my expierence. Take from it what you want but clearly you get what you pay for. Apple has problems sometimes like all companies. Sometimes they have big problems like this one but it will get fixed and while all the PC lovers reading this are sitting there with their 13inch screen they got with ther $500 machine those guys will be blazing away with a 27inch and the graphic comments in the posts are based from people who have probally never used a mac. I only have a 8600 in a laptop and can play every game I own with max graphics with plenty of framerates to spare let alone what they have in the iMac these days. If Macs are so bad they why are people writing articles about them. If they were truly bad then no one would buy them. This is just one of those media wars on trying to paste a bad image on apple for the sake of saving Microsoft from loosing its lead. While Apple has a small market share. Apple took in 48% of the total desktop sales revenue. Where as PC took in 52%. However that 52% is split between all the PC makers. Apple gets to keep all 48%. So if Apple's products are so bad why are they make the most revenue than any PC company?? Answer that question in your Mac Vs. PC argument.

I never have, and probably never will buy a Mac, but really, for $2000, that really is not a terrible price for a computer with a 27" S-IPS screen and decent support hardware. Of course you would just buy the minimum spec and install your own upgrades for RAM and hard drive (or not, if you're the average Mac user). Yeah, I could build the same for about $500-700 cheaper, but considering the past Apple price markups, it's not really so bad.

Seriously who is this Nick Farrell? All of a sudden I have seen some links to his stuff and he seems to have some serious issues. I won't make the same mistake clicking a link again. ;-)

Lots of Apple envy here. The author sounds like a 14 year old. A 14 year old with Apple envy. Especially the part about why anyone would need or want a gorgeous 27-inch screen. Gee I can't imagine. Yes some people have had issues. Apple will make it right. They always do. Here's a newsflash for you..not everyone plays games. Most people don't. Those that do are deserting the PC in droves for XBox or PS3. So while the know nothings and the kids and the whiners whine I will be enjoying my i7 27-inch iMac with a second screen connected. Or if not that then my 2.8 ghz MacBook Pro with 8 GB ram, SSD etc. Stay in school, study hard, and maybe one day you kids can afford the best instead of whatever plastic piece of garbage running Microsoft's latest warmed over piece of mediocrity you have now.

The assumption that every Mac owner that has a 27" must be a film student or a graphic designer...or a blow hard with more sense than money.

Macs are nice and all but really anyone that want to do real work, most likely has a PC running. Even in the graphic business PC's rule the roost. Yes of course there are many macs in that industry, especially people who have been in the business a long time as its what they are used to. However nowadays if you looking for raw horse power... Macs don't cut it.

Personally I would rather spend my hard earned cash else where than buying a crApple!

"Quite why anyone would want an Apple with a screen that big is beyond us, since it's not like you are going to be able to play games on it."

Not everybody plays games all the time. I can see some perfecly good reasons for wanting a larger screen, Im a student at an arts University studying film, and I can say that larger screens are a tremendous help when editing video on final cut, as it gives you a clearer view and larger image. the same applies for sound design too, it just improves your workflow.

Generally larger screens improve your workflow over smaller ones... up to a limit of course.

And I would say a 30" widescreen is that limit.

I dont own a mac but I will soon, as we need them for our course. I hope to hear about apple sorting this out quickly though, as it does worry me a bit.

I don't think Win 7 is expensive at all... cost me $129.00 plus tax. Now MacOSX is WAY too expensive. $1099.00 plus tax for the CHEAPEST version!

why the massive hatred for apple i use pc's and masc's , most people who buy the bigh screen imacs buying them to do graphic editing- movie editing (final cut pro ) , image editing (photoshop) animating ect AND you can play quite alot of mainstream games on osx these days sure not as much as pc's but i use a ps3 instead of a computer for my gaming anyway

"Mass Effect 2 is due to release and the recommended specs, not minimum are:

PC RECOMMENDED System Requirements
Windows XP SP3 / Windows Vista SP1 / Windows 7
2.6+ GHz Cure 2 Duo Intel or equivalent AMD CPU
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT, or better recommended

Here is the specs of High end iMac
2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive
ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB
2560 x 1440 resolution

Any iMac will run any PC game and the one above will crush almost any PC game."

That is the funniest thing ive heard in a good while.Thanks for that.

DerWahn!

Agreed that most panels today are TN ones (that "emulate" true 16.7 million colors for faster response times while
sacrificing viewing angle) but the price also reflects this.

Also, there's nothing wrong with this approach as its more than enough for gaming and movies (its cheaper to produce too ... TVs of same size are expensive for this reason). Only true photo editing enthusiasts or medical imagery might suffer.

As a sort of compromise different vendors have different approaches and some might work better than others.

Furthermore, it is the panel display manufacturer rather than any company (like Apple) that is responsible for the quality of panel produced and the tech used!

And if I remember correctly, Apple used 6-bit screens in even its most expensive laptop offerings and thats why Apple used those color devoid wallpapers by default!

I have used monitors from Philips, Samsung and Fujitsu(a quite old one but using MVA) Japan all showing true 16.7 million colors but they can't match a good CRT even now!

A good buy would be a TV/Monitor combo as that usually has good quality panels with true color representation! Or you get luck and get a better LCD panel for the same model in the series!

However, there is also the problem of companies listing true 16.7 million colors in specs all the while using all sorts of interpolations which is why some can charge extra for selling a certified product!

I knew that once Apple started making their products in China, just like everyone else, they'd have the same quality and reliability issues, like everyone else. Why spend the extra $ for Apple when you get the same crap as everyone else puts out?

GUYS!

TheINQ takes the piss. If you don't get the jokes that's your fault.

I'm laughing my ass off at the idiots who take these articles as serious news.

It's called humour.

This article is complete rubbish

I work for a large Apple Reseller and we have so far sold over 200 (27 Inch Imac's) and none have come back!!!!!

Nick thought it would be fun to play journalist but didn't realize it might require an education, that making churlish smart-ass comments only expose his own ignorance and/or agenda and his sophomoric writing style might only appeal to the MTV crowd. Oh, maybe that's the Inquirer's target audience. My mistake.

Regulas, you can't just look at the minimum specs, there are other factors to be taken into consideration.

Try playing Mass Effect 2 at the native res (2560x1440) of the 27" iMac, you'll be seeing a slideshow with that outdated 4850. My 2 year old 8800 GT is almost as fast as the 4850 and it sure as hell can't crush many games with eye candy even at 1440x900.

Try getting your facts straight before you criticise someone.

I'm not a fanboy, but I cant believe this hasn't been said yet!

linux ftw!!1!

"since it's not like you are going to be able to play games on it."
Oh Nick, what did Apple ever do to you? In defense of Apple, I ran OS X for years and love it. I admit their gear is pricey, but nice and yes they do have problems once in a while but who doesn't.

Mass Effect 2 is due to release and the recommended specs, not minimum are:

PC RECOMMENDED System Requirements
Windows XP SP3 / Windows Vista SP1 / Windows 7
2.6+ GHz Cure 2 Duo Intel or equivalent AMD CPU
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT, or better recommended

Here is the specs of High end iMac
2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive
ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB
2560 x 1440 resolution

Any iMac will run any PC game and the one above will crush almost any PC game.

Sadly to say, with all the games now being written for the kiddie consoles first and then ported to the PC as an afterthought, don't expect hardware requirements for PC gaming to jump up any time soon.

I don't know if that was a joke post or not but are you seriously boasting about playing Doom 3?! That's a 5 year old game FFS! It's so old, it can almost be classed as retro these days! Try playing any modern game on that iMac of yours with all the details turned up and enjoy the slideshow that'll be result.

As for the rest of your post, well, it's just full of the usual crap that Apple fanbois like to spout. I wonder how many people you know that actually have those problems with their PCs. Then again, as demonstrated by your grasp of the English language, or lack thereof, the circles you move in may just be idiotic enough to do something like that!

@Rob A.

Next time try to mention a game that is not 5 years old (OK, only 4 years old if you waited for the OSX version...) and runs at 1920 x 1080 on any modern videocard...

I am sitting in front of a 27" quad core i5 iMac playing doom 3 with all the settings turned all the way up...and it is AWESUM!!! U poor little PC users go back to UR virus and spyware laden boxes and spend the day sorting out your DLL and registry problems... U get what U payed for and U PC users paid for crap..

Historically, buying first generation Apple is a dodgy proposition. This isn't a new phenomenon. However, the number of reports of these defects seems particularly high, even for Apple. The problem with the cracked screen is so prevalent that Apple Genius Bar people (gotta love the name "Genius Bar" nice arrogant and smug, typical Apple) are opening up iMacs in the store with customers to make sure it's ok.

Apple Quality Assurance? Anyone home?

BTW: This is the problem with the "all in one" design. If there's a problem with the display, you have to return the whole system. If/when you decide to upgrade down the road, you can't reuse the old display. It's why the Psystar appealed to many of us because Apple refuses to build a low cost tower.

the services techs were smoking too many cigs while putting them iMac attacks together.

Are you in M$'s pocket or something? Why the irrational hatred for Apple? Reporting a problem is one thing; simply bitching about a company's products is quite another.

I honestly was under the impression that you could play games. I mean, it can boot windows. And I'm pretty sure there are native games for OSX.

I'm not exactly sure why the writer of this article is so mad about this. He wouldn't own an iMac anyway. It's as if he has invented a new kind of writing. He took troll ramblings and wrote a piece for the inquirer. Brilliant.

MAC's are gorgeous looking systems with average to low grade PC parts inside.
Steve is a genius plain and simple. He has convinced the Apple horde to pay top dollar for inferior hardware inside with the thinking that if it looks damn good on the outside, it must be damn good on the inside.
Almost like certain female Hollywood star.....

Err... if you didn't get this, you probably shouldn't be reading the INQ in the first place.
But just for the sake of completeness, this site always portrays the reality with a steady ammount of humor, and a wildly varying ammount of guesswork/rumor gathering/gossip/etc.
Nick Farrell definitely stays on the 'humor' side of things, and tries to stay clear of the fantastic conspiracy theories.

The broken Core i7s is a real worry. I'm sure Intel isn't shipping them broken to Apple. Is there a chance that the socket retention mechanism isn't tight enough for the LGA socket to make full contact?

The screen issues are bad too - they shouldn't be breaking. The packaging surely needs more reinforcement to protect the screen.

It is a real hassle to be a customer who gets a bad product, whatever it is. My John Lewis fridge/freezer has broken twice in the year since I've bought it, which was very disappointing - especially since I had to stay home for the repairman. At least it came with a three year warranty, unlike Apple who want to make you pay more for that, despite the fact that a £2000 computer should get that by default. Still, UK law is on the consumer's side here with the sales of goods act.

Or maybe Apple switched shipping supplier to one that uses the "chuck the parcel" delivery method.

I wonder if they might be overheating due to the extremely nasty cheap blower fans in there possibly not even turning, or just failing early(think PCI card slot coolers, but 4 of them)

"Quite why anyone would want an Apple with a screen that big is beyond us, since it's not like you are going to be able to play games on it."

This explains so much.

"PC's dont have this problem as such because you buy a new component which doesnt work you simply say humph, send it back and get a different companys model which does the same thing. Apple locks you down into waiting for them to fix the issue."

Like my old Philips freeline when I had to change the PSU and got one with correct spec only to find the quoted size was not as stated, second one was duff, 3rd one worked. 3 different brands only 1 out of 3 was useable!! Not happy about that.

Or buying into proprietary M$ software like Office which ties you in or any number of other examples that I could just bring up.

As for...

"people should actually just send them back get a refund and make Apple sweat, maybe then they will test there products (e.g. HP, Dell, etc produce hundreds of servers, desktops and laptops for multiple OS's and they dont have problems like this which turns out to be somewhere around 10-15% of there products maybe higher if they did they would go out of business)."

Like all those pesky Sonly laptop batteries? How many millions? Hmm.

Look, Apple are no different to any other manufacturer in broad terms. Most of the flak they get is either green eyed or simply because they are visible. I could go on about how shite Xboxes are (my brother is now on his 5th!!!!!!!) but I won't bother.

People buy what they like, they earn money and choose to spend it on what they want. They see value in wider terms that simply what it costs.

And as for testing - two Dell workstations delivered to my business with the front facia hanging off? Yeah, Dell are way better than everyone else.

"On the upside, I bought a 24" Radeon iMac for work last year and it came with the graphics card glitch that made it a paperweight till a firmware update was released. I got pretty pissed at apple because of this but once the fix came out and was installed it was as good as I had wanted it to be."

On the upside... LOL... If I brought anything and it didnt work I wouldnt wait around for a fix that is unnessary.

Apple will surely bring out a fix for this (they cannot afford not to) but to have to wait weeks (or even just days) when the problem should never have existed is pathetic.

PC's dont have this problem as such because you buy a new component which doesnt work you simply say humph, send it back and get a different companys model which does the same thing. Apple locks you down into waiting for them to fix the issue.

People should actually just send them back get a refund and make Apple sweat, maybe then they will test there products (e.g. HP, Dell, etc produce hundreds of servers, desktops and laptops for multiple OS's and they dont have problems like this which turns out to be somewhere around 10-15% of there products maybe higher if they did they would go out of business).

"Unlike all other firms, they want you to pay through the nose for it."

Unike Windows 7?
Like Windows Vista?
Like Dell workstations?
Like BMWs?
Like Audis?
Like Intel price fixing?
Like Sony products?
Like console games on release?

Come on, you can choose a product from many mainstream brands and the same rule applies- this isn't an Apple only situation, they are ALL at it. Perceived value/and or monopoly allows you to sell what you make for more than it is worth.

Apple, like all other firms, have these hiccups...like all other firms they have a precentage of hardware that is known and expected to be faulty, like all other firms their warrenty/returns policy is expected to cover it and deal with the problem that way.

Unlike all other firms, they want you to pay through the nose for it.

The more popular apple becomes, the more known all it's dirty laundry will be.

And the fanboy yells; "Don't say bad stuff about my expensive apple product! it hurts my iFeelings!" *sniff*

Cock.

Nobody deserved to buy something that doesn't work. I'm with DeWahn on this one.

Doesn't matter if it is cheap or overpriced, when you buy something it should work. The customer wants this and so does the manufacturer/seller.

And as for obsolescence!! Not even going to comment on how retarded this glib toss-off comment is.

On the upside, I bought a 24" Radeon iMac for work last year and it came with the graphics card glitch that made it a paperweight till a firmware update was released. I got pretty pissed at apple because of this but once the fix came out and was installed it was as good as I had wanted it to be. Called Apple, complained and was listened to, apologised to and given £100 for my trouble. Admittedly the trouble I went through still happened but at least I was treated properly as a customer.

The fact that hi-tec devices sometimes are problematic is just par for the course unfortunately. Look at the latest Satio. Great product but too many problems with it.

Remember all the trouble with the Pentium chips not adding up right?

The list goes one. The more complex things become the greater capacity of being at home when mister cockup comes calling.

As long as these customers are dealt with promptly and their defective product replaced (and not at their cost) then that is as much as can be done.

Have any of you nerds the faintest idea what a S-IPS 27 inch screen costs? What do I hear? No idea what S-IPS is? Thought so.

PS.: Sorry fo all those unlucky guys who have a ruined pricey gimmick on their desk

(Sitting in a room with 2 27 inch imacs - but core2duo, no corei7...)

and fanbois get all they deserve, be they mac or pc.

anyone who buys an overpriced system, be it mac or pc gets what they deserve.

in 6 months it'll be underpowered, in a year obsolete, and in 5, totally written off.....

you wanna buy my g5?