Production constraint heh? FAB 7 of Chartered-Global foundries is just waiting for loading....

Do you really celebrate Christmas for the birth of Christ or for that white-bearded guy in the coca-cola red suit and all the little gifts you get?

BTW, every major Christian holiday is smack dab on top of a pagan celebration. It was done so to literally smother pagan ritual into submission.

"Hey guys, since you're actually all dressed up for that ritual sacrifice, you might as well chant this thing in Latin and sing praise to the all-father... only we call him God"

Dave explained that "the previous
generation X2 messed with the 4890
and people were confused."

"HD5880x2?! Oh my god, they gave it a simple name describing exactly what it is! I'm sooo confused!! I can't take it, I'd better change my hobby from playing games to collecting coins! Damn you AMD!"

Perhaps not by counting chips, but by wafers.
You get less 5800-GPUs per wafer and thus need more wafers for the same number of GPUs.

Another factor I think is that the market for the 5700-series is those who aren't willing to pay a price premium to stay at the front edge, but rather replace their graphics card when there's a practical need to do that. Applications haven't become that more demanding during the past month, so if there wasn't a need two months ago there generally isn't one right now.
I expect the 5770 market to grow over the next year.

The current situation in Sweden seems to be that there are cards of most (all?) flavours in stock. But only small quantities and at retailers that charge about twice the regular price (or more).

Assume tens of thousands/week is 20 thousand/week and a wafer can produce 50 good die. TSMC is giving AMD 400 wafers/week for Christmas.
I read, "Both AMD and Nvidia are supply constrained, and Nvidia is likely getting most of the allocation," he said. AMD's graphics chip unit is also using TSMC as a foundry"
This is speculation, but if true (and AMD should have spies to find out if it is true), AMD will be looking for a new FAB for their GPU.
I don't see how AMD can stay with TSMC for their foundary. I would think that AMD would want to endorse Global Foundaries (soon to be 3 Factories) by using them for the GPU.

Charlie Demerjian, When you ask a company if they will continue to use TSMC you will get 1 answer. Answer: "We plan to stay with TSMC", even when it is not true. The only time you will get the answer: "Our next chip will be using a new Foundary." is when volume production is streaming out of that new Foundary. I have seen how allocation works, and no company wants to be put on allocation.

That's not necessarily true. Cypress has twice as many transistors as Juniper. So, a juniper waffer has roughly twice as many chips as a cypress one. So, in a 2-to-1 scenario, production rates of both GPUs are equal. If you account that smaller dies have higher yelds, then even more this ratio is actually smaller.
And it's also natural that 5700 is lower in demand. It's high priced, and people with 4770/4850/4870/4890 has no strong reason to upgrade to a 5700 card, as the performance doesn't increase a lot, if at all.

"Well," said Baumann, "5800 to 5700 is about 2- or 3-to-1."

The way I read this statement is that for every 5700 ATi produces, they produce 2 or 3 5800s. This means there are 2 to 3 times as many 5800s in the channel as 5700s.

Now if I go look at the stock situation of online retailers, I can find a 5700 series card in stock no problem, even with the limited supply, but a 5800 card is nowhere to be found.

This means one of the following:
a) Dave made a mistake and switched the numbers
b) My reading comprehension sucks
c) 5700 is a dud, nobody's buying them

It's not even so much the demand it the fact they don't have any cards!

Something's wrong if your high-end part (5800) sees 2 to 3 times the demand as your mainstream part (5700).

That means that either the 5800 is too good for its price or the 5700 is too expensive for what it is.

"Christmas is like the anti pagan holiday. Christianity replaced Paganism, the Pagan new year is in the Spring (April)

Even a simple episode of The Simpsons could have told you that"

As pointed out the Christian holiday was chosen to be the same date as previous pagan holiday as to convert the masses without revolt. It is all moot as Christianity is simply a rehash of many, many religions before it.
But hey, keep watching the Simpson, its got you this far!

no 5970 for christmas?

In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis was celebrated on December 25. In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. Since nobody knows the actual date of "Christ's" birth the date was chosen to cause the least amount of upset with pagans. Just like with Jesus many believe there are 5870's. Only time will tell.

"so they can get them to stores on time for that most pagan of rituals, Christmas"

Christmas is like the anti pagan holiday. Christianity replaced Paganism, the Pagan new year is in the Spring (April)

Even a simple episode of The Simpsons could have told you that.

Wow, I thought for a minute he was speaking Swahili, but then I looked closer. Yep, it is some form of english, just not sure what....

I say TheInq should sponsor english classes for Drashek as it would raise the quality of Inq by 65%.

But this time SPOT ON !! ;0)

REmember 55nm, HiK then 45 nm HiK, Somebody forgot LoK or doing New Tango.

So without any reduction in Volt at loK, new smaller shrink has theBLITHERs'. this is overal theLAST year in 40/45 nm or even worse, cropping up in 32 nm, too.

Someone forgot to Engineer lower volt transisor LoK cpu or overestimated ability to take it? At Least, MAKE IT?

Todays Lowattage reduced by 80% is insight into fixing up excess & believe X25870 be different gpu than 5970 is too littler 'uns. 2.15 billion transistors x two pretty impresssive, especially with gpu migrating to array super computing. actual 4 boxes w/4cpu crosfire hybrid IS Supercomputer.

Once Hardware is 100% then 170+&+ more instructions called SSE5, held back by larabouy,.Price quoted Is $100 more than first estimated.How about hdmi 2.0 finally. Anyone can expect 1/3 more performance better than single gpu or about Vantage 18,000 Expected.

drashek

I've order my card over a month ago and I am still waiting. At this rate it will be next year before it ships. I'm sure the 5970 isn't helping that much considering it sucks two GPUs in one shot.