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To Jerry...Regarding shrinks etc

You're kidding right? You think NV isn't going to sell any cards for 4-5 months until fermi? Die shrinks of the 260/275/285 and even 295 would allow all to get very close to their cost competitors from AMD and even vault 295 into domination until AMD puts out a 2chip card. I can't see them totally conceding the entire market for 4-5 months. Nvidia isn't that stupid. You could sell a lot of die shrunk sped up cards by then. Also every sale you get is one less AMD gets...That WOULD be good business. Intel didn't just quit selling chips when AMD smacked them around with the A64 for 3 years. I expect a shrink, they're just dumping old cards first, and they already shipped a shrink of some chips to OEM's with 10.1 bolted on. Why not drop the power and speed things up, charge less and keep your marketshare? Seems smart to me. While I can get a card (not from newegg), it would cost me FAR more than what it's real price is (5850). Because there is so few they're all jacked up instead of $260 like newegg which had them for a day. Amazon's out of stock too. I'm not going to pay $300+ for one of these, it's not worth it.

posted by : the_jian, 21 October 2009 Complain about this comment
Too sad...

To see AMD acting like the underdog again. It blowed Intel with the Athlon, now it got blowed by the core family.
AMD is now dirt cheap but not competitive with Intel offerings. I wish they have a new "athlon" on their sleeve, but it doesn't seems to be the case. The 6-core stambul is there, but it won't overtake the Xeon on the server market, what used to be an AMD stronghold since the launch of the opteron.
No competition leads to intel high prices and technological stagnation. The core i5 launch, almost a year after the core i7, shows that. The technology was there, but no need to use it.
For one looking for HD 5850, I can see plenty on various online stores, maybe you should check google.
And nVidia just killed the 260, 275, 285 line of cards. You will see no die shrink of those, and once they sell out, you will have to search for an used one on ebay. The 295 remained to try holding nVidia stand on the enthusiast market until Fermi comes out next year. As it can still beat a single HD 5870 card.

posted by : Jerry, 21 October 2009 Complain about this comment
RoadMap AMD for year.....

Bit from Roadmap, more next year & into '11:

AMD latest desktop CPU roadmap,AMD will add a Thuban CPU next year.Zambezi based on Bulldozer architecture is four or eight processors.Liano processor will go public in 2011.

Thuban CPUs are modified products of Istanbul serving servers.However,Thuban CPUs support DDR3-1333 memory and has up to 6 CPU cores.It based on 45nm SOI is expected to show up in Q2 of 2010.

Zambezi CPU based on Bulldozeris one part of high-end Scorpius platform. It adopts 4-8 core design and has 8MB of L3 cache.It features AM3-Rev2 slots with support for DDR3-1866.

Liano is indeed the renamed edition of delayed Fusion processor(LIanoBEE).It is based on 2-4 Phenom II/Athlon II CPU and DX11 HD5000 GPU with support for DDR3-1600.It also uses 32nm SOI technology

Finally Over DDR3 Hill with 1866 Beats ANY DDR2. drashek

posted by : Options...., 21 October 2009 Complain about this comment
But no vid chips...

Unfortunately they don't have any 5850's out there. I hope NV is shrinking everything to 40nm. I'd be interested in a faster cheaper GTX275 or 260. Whatever is around $260 like the 5850. If I can't get the 5850 then I'll buy a die shrunk Nvidia (maybe the GTX280 at 40nm will be out and priced around there. All of these can just be shrunk to 40nm (just like the recent cards with DX 10.1 slipping out to OEMs). You can't tell me NV is just going to quit until Feb...LOL. Impossible. So where's my freaking shrink, or where's my 5850 AMD? Paper launching your cards doesn't help me :)

posted by : The JIAN, 21 October 2009 Complain about this comment
Think, Nick, THINK.

Where's the full list? Or the link TO the list? How can you NOT think to include that?

posted by : Sam Keller, 20 October 2009 Complain about this comment

AMD releases cheap chips

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