At least things have been changing for the better in the non muslim world. I was born in a priest ridden backwater called Ireland where things were even worse a lot longer. I reckon the Irish government has a few apoligies to come out with as well.

Turing didn't commit suicide, he was poisoned by the british intelligence service. More recently, David Kelly was also murdered by the british and dumped in the woods. One just has to look at the complete whitewash that was the "investigation" of his death.

Sad how people don't question anything, don't do their own research. They really believe that good information comes towards them cheaply and automatically. People are so brainwashed and gullible.

Jason, what a w**ker you are.

Criminy, but do you know NOTHING at all about biological reality? The world is not a simple male/female binary system. There quite a few mixes to say the least. Take, Caster Semanaya, the South African runner, for instance. From what I've read, she sounds like she probably has CAIS (Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) or something similar. Genetically male (XY), but externally completely female. Does she hate God too?

Try to get a civil partnership in the US and then tell me how intolerant the UK is. Also show me the anti-discrimination laws against gays in US... oh wait that's right there are none.

" Good thing this didn't happen in the US

Otherwise the Turing estate would be suing the government for $5 billion dollars for the money that Turing could've made if he were still alive.
posted by : Dan, 11 September 2009"

They could sue them then from the US for the $5 billion loss, Dan? It is quite common practice, is it not? To extradite claims and prosecutions to another land/jurisprudence.

Indeed Mr Mckinnon is so engaged in the Process.

Lets not try and re-write history here.

America was and in many ways still is an incredibly intolerant country.

Ask any gay person from the 50's (if you could find one who would admit to it then) how they felt their job prospects would change if they came out as gay.

I'm betting, and I recently listened to an hour long broadcast on Democracy Now about the Stonewall Riots (look it up it's a great site/programme), that they wouldn't have fared to well.

Mandy!

Although I greatly respect the work of Alan Turing and condemn the actions of the British government and society towards Dr. Turing, I must agree with Tom Welsh in his earlier posting. Like politicians, or as I like to refer to them as "congenital useless parasites", Brown is cynically trying to make political hay off of this.

And who's to say, Dan, that the Turing estate wouldn't be correct in seeking some recompense? Of course, everyone knows that the really cheap bastards in the U.K. aren't the Scots.

Also, I don't believe that anyone in the U.S.A. has been denied government employment solely on the grounds of homosexuality. We Americans tend to be a little more tolerant than that. Especially with someone who has a demonstrated useful talent.

After all, the Pilgrims who landed in Massachusetts Bay, and who were the most intolerant, narrow-minded people you could imagine, were from England.

Otherwise the Turing estate would be suing the government for $5 billion dollars for the money that Turing could've made if he were still alive.

Points to note.

1. Turing is dead and doesn't care. If he could somehow know, he still wouldn't care. By and large he didn't care about anything politicians said.

2. Brown is apologising (in true NuLabour style) for things other people did long ago. This is a cunning way of making himself look humble, unprejudiced, and generally progressive while implicitly condemning the vile bigots who drove Turing to his death. (They weren't Tories by any chance, were they).

3. If Brown could meet Turing, they would very probably dislike one another strongly. Brown would see a privileged, public-school educated toff who is also an ivory-tower academic. (I know Turing wasn't, but that's what he would see). Turing, of course, would see... Brown.

We all have to thank Dr. Turing if we're reading this and we do not have to wear a nazi uniform!