Creative's Zii is gonna kick ass.

http://www.zii.com/Developer/SDKProducts.aspx

can't wait... bring on the VS SDK, MS!!!!!!!!

@ Steve, Umm Apple gets Nvidia hand me downs, how long did it take for Apple to get the HD 4870?

Wait wait no, how long did it take Apple to even get a GTX series card from Nvidia? This summer they JUST got the GTX 285, Apple is ALWAYS behind on highend gaming graphic solutions. Sure they might get some nice Workstation cards but a VERY limited selection, nothing compared to what you can use and customize with PC's.

Yes they use a "little" bit of both ATI/Nvidia chipsets, but thats just it, "little" which explains their desktop marketshare "little". Apple is and always will be "little". The "Apple is gonna catch up", has been touted since well....forever, wow they have an MP3 market...wow...and?

I believe nVidia and M$ PR folks as I believe in easter bunny and santa claus.
Paper accepts anything, let's see the proper hardware!
Less than half watt they say, but that's still a lot of juice to a cellphone sized gadget, expected to have a battery live of at least about 15 hours. Or will it come bundled with a backpack sized Lithium polimer battery?
If Tegra was anything worth using, it would be on Iphone 3GS, as apple uses nVidia chipsets on all its computers nowadays.

Yeah my video card Nvidia 8600 just crap on me the other day! So it reminded me of this bump problem. Sic.

The hardware is just powerful enough to run Vista bloated code on Zune. I am not sure how it stands against PSP and iPod touch.

PSP is a much more powerful platform. Developers and Gamers are all on PSP if performance matters. Zune does not offer much to these audiences.

For casual users, performance difference between iPod and Zune does not matter.

Nvidia is good at creating fancy names to fool consumers buying it's stuff, like "GTX280M" and "GTS250" to sell old 8800 generation chips, and "CUDA" to sell DirectX 10.1 incapable cards.

Wow I will definitely avoid it since it has nVidia chip!

Well, I kinda fail to see how a device without any buttons, without any distribution system and without any licenced titles which are of a higher class than Mahjong clone 14 or Marble Magic 18 could fight the PSP. Especially when it's four years late to that show.

Maybe if MS and Nvidia gave away the developers tools for free they could at least grab some of the market share from Ipod and consorts. But on the other side, Nokia, Samsung, etc. are also pushing into the market of mobile music and video players.

"...Nvidia reckons there are around 50 devices currently in R&D that might use its CPU chip, including smartphones and tablet devices..."

Finally there will be a decent phone around. The only concerns now are:

1.Dose Tegra come in quard (core)?
2.Will there a un-restricted Linux be run on it?

For the first time, a proper phone is coming.

Tegra is awesome but M$ isn't! Let a netbook or internet/game/phone/linux tablet out the gate with tegra then it'll take on the ipod but who would own something from a company that puts out crap that will get a virus and destroy your data/songs/movies.

Why the hell its taken microsoft so long to even think about releasing the zune in the UK, a market well known not to buy into pitch and sales gumph?

I have been following the zune since first it came to light, it will be my next MP3 player
(note I said MP3 not PMP) if it can get its act together before I get tired and buy a Sony OLED Walkman NWZ-X

I have nowt against Ipod and all its success, I just have a love for the Zune and its progression
(without leaving past owners behind in software stakes)

I've owned 2 Ipods and am now using a Sony(modified) all have their pros and cons as I'm sure the Zune will too

I'm boring myself now and have come nowhere near to making a fair argument for what is in the end only my opinion

so I will leave it at this.
May your Gods keep you safe

xmas present for me

I can't help but wonder if maybe they should put one of these chips in the XBOX handheld that keeps getting rumored, I mean surely with .Net some of the existing XBOX 360 stuff on Live Arcade could be ported over easily enough.

Still probably wouldn't buy one though, I'm happy with my DS for games and Nokia e63 for videos, music, texting and calling.

Rob

THINGS YOU NEVER HEAR #3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrGeY9nhMK8

Hardware wise this is one kick ass player and from all the videos i have seen of this in action at this date, looks like this runs smooth as butter.

The UI looks better then what the iPod touch has. I like the artist bio feature for all your songs no matter where you got your song from. Damn slick i must say.

All is left is the support from xbox live and the App team and game development.
Get those things in order and then add in a firmware release later on for flash support, and Apple has some tough competition on its hands.

The software side for the Zune has improed dramatically. IMO its far better then itunes...at least on the PC.
For full success MS MUST fully integrate XBL with the Zune Marketplace and offer games. The infrastructure is fully there.
The Hardware has always been better on the Zunes then ipods.
The Ipod classic and Nano hardware wise were inferior to the 2nd and 3rd generation Zunes. MS just needs to put the pieces together now.
Otherwise the player is looking quite amazing

May be great hardware and yes the Zune is on the whole a superior player than the iPod classic.

But if MS doesnt have the balls to sell it outside the USA then it aint going anywhere. How many dry runs do you need?

I was a big supporter of the Zune but I've lost patience with MS and its reluctance to actually push or promote the thing.

The Zune Marketing dept must be the laziest bunch around.

It doesn't matter how good the hardware is if the software is junk. 'Twas ever thus.