Nvidia: (n) defn: see liar, cheat.

Summary

1.PhysX is AMD's technology.
2.ATI use PhysX no support driver.
3.Nvidia FUD technologys use PhysX hack driver.

ok?
I can't understand english a little.sorry...
http://www.4gamer.net/games/022/G002233/20080620001/

The article said 'Then again, Nvidia artificially crippled the ATI system with a bad driver"

In reality, the OEM crippled their own product by having a year-old driver that doesn't support both cards. If they want bragging rights for having a fast laptop they need to have the latest drivers instead of passing the buck to the ATI site.

Oh, and Nvidia sucks and exploits crap like this all the time, but they are factually correct: the dual-ATI system with the latest vendor driver is inferior. Period.

Yeah as one guy suggested, why does someone do a class action suit in the US if this kind of Benchmark advertisement were publish in a web that proves false. In that way they will cease to do those nasty things to sto[ the accusations and biases once and for all.
I'm tired of it!!!
Can someone give me the link and use it as a proof of biases or truth of it?
We can use it for or against them too.
I'm not from the US as one guy suggested that they really publish this or the other way around either NVIDIA or the INQ will answer for it!

I was a AMD guy forever and they had (and have) excellent products. I finally gave in and spent the extra dough and got a high dollar nvidia rig... it rules, period. stable, fast, and no more envy factor. I know this sounds like fanbois rhetoric but its the damn truth.

of course, with the lack of x86 and a mobo chipset, i'm sure something else isn't far off. the point is, buy what makes you happy, period.

At first when I finished reading this article I said to myself "wow....nice....charlie had finally found a way to diss NVIDIA and actually make an 'ARTICLE' that is readable and brings facts to the table" I really felt happy because I actually liked him and his ideas and thoughts - but NOT his recent years slander of NVIDIA.....
When I finally double checked to see if charlie wrote it - The bubble bursted ..... but I commend Sylvie for an interesting article and as for NVIDIA's Public Relations....well, THEY SUCK BALLS.....but they already know that and somehow proud of it.....weird twisted illogical but there anyway....

By the way - aren't there laws against False-advertisement/Slander/Foul-play/etc...? especially in the USA....
I wish a group of people take time out of their lives and file a class-action lawsuit against those who "claim" this kind of misleading information - most of the people who buy PC's dont check facts and it pisses me off that these liars easily lure naive buyers into their bank accounts.

The 'Bump Mark'... see how long your chip can last through successive heating and cooling cycles.

If your chip passes, Apple and various OEMs won't show you the door and tell you not to bother calling them for a very long time.

probably missed that one. but still, q9300 wouldn't achieve 30k cpu score in vantage without the assistance of gpu physx...

Article says:
"But even from a CPU platform level, Nvidia played things a little dirty, taking its Q9300 Alienware system and comparing it to Asus' Q9000, probably hoping people wouldn't notice. But a quick check of the Asus website shows that only Intel Dual core options are available for W90 specs."

Implication: NVidia was actually using a dual-core W90 instead of a quad-core one.

"the 3DMARKVantage CPU scores showed 7,754 for XFIRE versus 29,202 for SLI. Hmmm. Is Nvidia kidding? Talk about CPU bound."

CPU bound? suggesting there's a 21448 points difference from q9000 to q9300 is plain ignorant.

the difference is GPU PhysX listed as CPU score within Vantage.

Tsk tsk, very poor benchmarking there.

Another point is that anyone in the real world buying one of those laptops would have wiped or replaced the HDD in it and installed a fresh current build on it. This makes the benchies even more ridiculous.

Using a manufacturers build is terrible. I'd rather they supplied such kit blank.

@DarkElfa

Perhaps Nvidia took their advertising elsewhere?

I mean, it's not exactly beneficial for them to support truthful journalism.

Be it all true or not, TheInquirer destroyed whatever credibility they had years ago by running massive amounts of ATI adverts at the top side and bottom of their pages while Fudo followed by Charlie, posted nothing but one-sided, Nvidia hate stories so spun with Nvidia distaste, it seethed out of every pore while ATI stories were always told with positive spin as if they never did product renaming or participated in any distasteful activities. Sure, there were exemptions depending on who told the stories, but the damage is long since done. Methinks that if the graphic makers in this story would have been swapped, ATI would have been praised for its continued excellence and Nvidia panned and told "serves you right goblin" for having a partner ship a laptop with outdated drivers.

Anyone buying such enthusiast laptops should at least have half a brain to know that they will need to get the latest graphics drivers to use the cards to their full potential.

Any manufacturer for motherboards / systems / laptops have pretty ancient drivers available to download for chipsets, sound, graphics etc..

A lot of the bad PR has to go to Asus for providing such outdated drivers.

Or did the laptop ship with newer drivers, and NVIDIA "degraded" it with the ones on Asus' website? What's the point of Asus offering a Crossfire laptop if the drivers they supply don't activate it?

now i've not bought any ATI hardware since my last nintendo gamecube years ago, and ignoring the recently bought an AMD mainboard,chip,AMD/ATI gfx board, i've been pretty much Nvidia all the way.
but i'm really starting to get hacked off with all of this. the M280GTX is nothing more than a die shrunk, clocked up, re-jigged 8800GT. 3 years i've been waiting to upgrade my laptop, with its "old hat" go7700M. and NV have not produced anything bar re-re-renaming conventions designed to do nothing but cover up the fact that they have nothing new to show.

and that effing idiot of a CEO or whatever. why doesn't he just come out and say "Nvidia is better than god". you can tell he wants to.

i usually buy the best tool for the job, but there is nothing in the mobile sector that is worth it over what i've got already.

nvidia man, what happened? you used to be cool. but these last few years...

It's no surprise that Nvidia always get criticised for their dodgy dealings and spin - they are always doing the dodgy dealing and the spinning!

Of course Nvidia are going to appear more often at somewhere like TheInq that specialises in catching out the "creative marketing" of companies like Nvidia.

Usually it is true for NV to "tweak" benchmark result, .. , usually THEINQ is somewhat biased, .., but it is a nice place to hear some rumors. Nobody is forcing you to read.

PS for adds use Firefox and N.O.S.C.R.I.P.T + Peer.Guardian

Look at the ads running on theinquirer.net, I'm sure the article itself is biased. I will believe it from a different source, just not from the inquirer. It's not journalism when u only report bad news about one particular company. This is paid advertising!

Does anybody remember how many versions of 3dmark 2001 there were, and why?