Manipulate masses?
I'm not of a "party", don't even like one!
Who said that FHC government was a good one?
For me it made terrible things to Brazil, same for Lula, just different ones...
My opinions are not from the press, and either from a party! Its my opinions, and looks like I'm the only one not biased here!
Who is the manipulated mass here? If is a manipulation from the press or from a party, don't matter. For me, you are the manipulated and without a opinion of yourself! (Don't see this as an attack, see this as a note, do not want start a flame war here...)
So an armed confront is a unique solution to this? And many other people who fight the dictatorship without weapons and crimes?
And for you, the "modus operandi" of MST is ok?
Was those "armed groups" who liberated the country from them? Or was the people in a general way?
"Terrorism", "communism", "anarchism" and other "isms" are mostly just words used to manipulate the masses.
The point here is that fighting a government that used to torture and kill its own citizens is not called "terrorism", it's called "duty", it's called "resistance".
Nobody talks about the gas pipe explosion incident, a state-sponsored terrorist act directed against its own citizens, that would kill thousands of people, and that didn't happen because of a measly army captain who refused to follow orders.
But people surely talk about the kidnapping of the american embassador, except the part that he was the guy who asked for tons of weapons to be delivered to Brazil to be used against brazilians.
Some people are so eager to tarnish the current administration that they not only completely ignore its good deeds, but also have to focus only in insignificant things like what you have described because they don't have any substantial complaints to make.
Americans and russians have also refused to extradite prisoners to Cuba or Chechenya, but the first rank of the governement wasn't attacked the way you and media do to Lula's government. Trying to find any possible excuse to badmouth the guy.
If you want to attack Lula's government, you have to look NOT at what he did, because he did a MUCH better job than the absolute majority of previous goverments, but you have to look at what the didn't do. But to see that you would have to at least search some of his more frank speeches during the 2002 elections ("lula peace and love") and look at his campain money at the time, instead of just watching TV.
That fact the the former government (FHC) was loved by the media, that kept quiet while that government increased internal and foreigh debts by 10X, sold our second largest company for 1/20th of its price, tried to sell our most powerful company, took loans of hundreds of billions of dollars with 40% interest rates without the possibility of using a cent of it for social plans, while the current government is criticized whenever possible, should tell you something.
There is no questioning about the dictatorship in Brazil, and why happened is not my point here.
The point is that Lula and his fellows (especially their fellows) participated and executed terrorist acts during the time. This is in black and white, paper!
One thing do not justify another, even less clear it because now we are in a Democracy.
What government is protecting a Convicted terrorist of Italy that done the same as them? Look for the scandal: Cesare Battisti case! This is just some "Companheiros de ideologia" ("brothers of ideology") helping each other.
The brazilian military coup-d'etat of 1964 was authorized in 1962 by US president Kennedy, and was the "Plan A", also called "Operation Popeye" by the CIA. The "Plan B", never activated, was called "Operation Brother Sam", and consisted of most of the atlantic and caribean fleets of the US Navy, that were anchored just outside brazilian waters during the coup-d'etat, complete with aircraft carriers and 50000 troops.
Many idiots spread disinformation and try to associate the current government with the coup or even call many of them former "terrorists", while in fact they were not. The people what really screwed Brazil at that time are not in government today, some of them are the older military and the older guys at the civilian opposition parties today, most of which descend from the ARENA party, that was the government party and only party during the dark days. Many brazilian oligarchs have also supported the coup.
Like most people throughout the world, brazilians know very little about their own history. People are brainwashed.
Mark, I agree with you. And btw, I'm brazillian, but as you can see they are not showing us the docs from the Air Force, which is the most "dirty" ones from that brazillian history period.
Also they would never disclose intergov involvement on that, because there's a lot of facts and evidences that point to USA agency CIA as a direct supporter of the actions that put a dictator on the command here...
Many relevant politics, industry tycoons, and other powerful man in Brazil today got their hands dirty back them. So, the ENTIRE truth will never get unearthed.
What would be even more useful and interesting is if it involves full disclosure of intergovernmental cooperation between Brazil, Chile, Argentina, the US, etc.
As the old saws go: 'sunlight is the best disinfectant' and 'those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it', but I'm not holding my breath.
Wow. I'm impressed that a country has the nerve to put something like that online for the world to see... that a country actually has dark secrets.
More countries should do this (any suggestions ? ;). It won't help much, but for the people it's good to hear (hopefully) the truth and that it will answer a lot of questions.
I wonder what the impact will be with this action.
Manipulate masses?
I'm not of a "party", don't even like one!
Who said that FHC government was a good one?
For me it made terrible things to Brazil, same for Lula, just different ones...
My opinions are not from the press, and either from a party! Its my opinions, and looks like I'm the only one not biased here!
Who is the manipulated mass here? If is a manipulation from the press or from a party, don't matter. For me, you are the manipulated and without a opinion of yourself! (Don't see this as an attack, see this as a note, do not want start a flame war here...)
So an armed confront is a unique solution to this? And many other people who fight the dictatorship without weapons and crimes?
And for you, the "modus operandi" of MST is ok?
Was those "armed groups" who liberated the country from them? Or was the people in a general way?
"Terrorism", "communism", "anarchism" and other "isms" are mostly just words used to manipulate the masses.
The point here is that fighting a government that used to torture and kill its own citizens is not called "terrorism", it's called "duty", it's called "resistance".
Nobody talks about the gas pipe explosion incident, a state-sponsored terrorist act directed against its own citizens, that would kill thousands of people, and that didn't happen because of a measly army captain who refused to follow orders.
But people surely talk about the kidnapping of the american embassador, except the part that he was the guy who asked for tons of weapons to be delivered to Brazil to be used against brazilians.
Some people are so eager to tarnish the current administration that they not only completely ignore its good deeds, but also have to focus only in insignificant things like what you have described because they don't have any substantial complaints to make.
Americans and russians have also refused to extradite prisoners to Cuba or Chechenya, but the first rank of the governement wasn't attacked the way you and media do to Lula's government. Trying to find any possible excuse to badmouth the guy.
If you want to attack Lula's government, you have to look NOT at what he did, because he did a MUCH better job than the absolute majority of previous goverments, but you have to look at what the didn't do. But to see that you would have to at least search some of his more frank speeches during the 2002 elections ("lula peace and love") and look at his campain money at the time, instead of just watching TV.
That fact the the former government (FHC) was loved by the media, that kept quiet while that government increased internal and foreigh debts by 10X, sold our second largest company for 1/20th of its price, tried to sell our most powerful company, took loans of hundreds of billions of dollars with 40% interest rates without the possibility of using a cent of it for social plans, while the current government is criticized whenever possible, should tell you something.
There is no questioning about the dictatorship in Brazil, and why happened is not my point here.
The point is that Lula and his fellows (especially their fellows) participated and executed terrorist acts during the time. This is in black and white, paper!
One thing do not justify another, even less clear it because now we are in a Democracy.
What government is protecting a Convicted terrorist of Italy that done the same as them? Look for the scandal: Cesare Battisti case! This is just some "Companheiros de ideologia" ("brothers of ideology") helping each other.
People show their ignorance by attacking Lula with one-liners. The guy was elected twice with 2/3 of the votes each time.
People believe in the media, and so have their priorities reversed.
Regarding the disclosure of the files, of course that it will be only partial.
Lula just remeber the pass, but dismiss a future.
then there would be a chance of world peace. Heh heh.
The brazilian military coup-d'etat of 1964 was authorized in 1962 by US president Kennedy, and was the "Plan A", also called "Operation Popeye" by the CIA. The "Plan B", never activated, was called "Operation Brother Sam", and consisted of most of the atlantic and caribean fleets of the US Navy, that were anchored just outside brazilian waters during the coup-d'etat, complete with aircraft carriers and 50000 troops.
Many idiots spread disinformation and try to associate the current government with the coup or even call many of them former "terrorists", while in fact they were not. The people what really screwed Brazil at that time are not in government today, some of them are the older military and the older guys at the civilian opposition parties today, most of which descend from the ARENA party, that was the government party and only party during the dark days. Many brazilian oligarchs have also supported the coup.
Like most people throughout the world, brazilians know very little about their own history. People are brainwashed.
You're 100% right.
Lula even did some terrorist training in Cuba.
Mark, I agree with you. And btw, I'm brazillian, but as you can see they are not showing us the docs from the Air Force, which is the most "dirty" ones from that brazillian history period.
Also they would never disclose intergov involvement on that, because there's a lot of facts and evidences that point to USA agency CIA as a direct supporter of the actions that put a dictator on the command here...
Many relevant politics, industry tycoons, and other powerful man in Brazil today got their hands dirty back them. So, the ENTIRE truth will never get unearthed.
What would be even more useful and interesting is if it involves full disclosure of intergovernmental cooperation between Brazil, Chile, Argentina, the US, etc.
As the old saws go: 'sunlight is the best disinfectant' and 'those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it', but I'm not holding my breath.
Wow. I'm impressed that a country has the nerve to put something like that online for the world to see... that a country actually has dark secrets.
More countries should do this (any suggestions ? ;). It won't help much, but for the people it's good to hear (hopefully) the truth and that it will answer a lot of questions.
I wonder what the impact will be with this action.