I remember the time when Charlie nearly swore that Nvidia will never succeed in designing a dual chip out of the GT200 processor because of heat and power consumption limitations .
his argument was so sound and so rational that every ignorant fanboy here believed it and received it as the only truth .
of course Nvidia released GTX295 and it has lower temperature and power consumption than 4870X2 , and it gave back the crown of performance to Nvidia .
my point is , Charlie's bulls are always wrong , because he is always trying to prove something , he is always looking at things from a biased view , and that costs him his credibility .
you know why I think charlie is left ranting without consequences , I think you are a tool in the hands of Nvidia to fool the competitors .
Look, I bought the spin. I own a 790i ultra 2xSLI rig with a 1xPPU and I'm here to tell you it has been nothing but heartache. I so really wanted it all to work out. But in the end its a pile of fragile hardware and drivers.
My $2500 nvidia rig only scores about 100 or so marks better than my $960 dollar Phenom 2 Crossfire rig.
It's about the hassles for me. I spend HOURS tuning the nvidia system just to be stable when the ATI/AMD rig just works albeit just a little slower.
I agree with most of you, its all about the drivers and nvidias suck.
i got to admit ATi is coming back with a vengeance, since Nv's been cooking things.
$$$ we shall see better value for performance, i just don't want to pay over $400 dollars to see some decent sh!t, ATi is did a great job on delivering what is needed for us, cheap and great!!!
I want 60fps in every game i play at the highest detail possible for a *good* price. GPU Compute is a cherry and, hey, if Physx give me more immersion, then great, I'll take it. nVidia gives me this right now. Until ATI can, I'll buy nVidia. When ATI can, I'll buy ATI.
I think what he's trying to do is keep the customers loyal to nvidia throughout the recession. So that when they actually start making money after the recession they'll still have the market share.
What a pathetic twisted load of bollocks come out of Charlie's weasel brain. Nvidia has 70% of the discrete GPU market and dominates workstation as well. Debt free and cash in the bank they will weather the recession far better than AMD ATI who's been drowning in red ink for years, in spite of Charlies hallucinations.
Nvidia's shady accounting and soaping the eyes is becoming one to the likes of Intel. Those two should merge and run each other into the ground with their creative tactics. I'm no business major, but is liquidating the merchandise that has been written off at a loss into the marketplace even legal from an accounting point of view?
Though I hate NVIDIA for their Nvsvc32, for their mess with faulty 84x, 86x chips and falling share prices of last 2 days I may still buy my next laptop with their new next gen 280M graphics chip which is 3-4 times faster then 9600M and are 5-10 times faster then my current laptop's ATI 2600 with 512MB which is just 7-8 months old.
Or it will be laptop with AMD/ATI graphics if it will met better by reviewers.
As to the NVDA performance, i will repeat "Nobody can predict the market" you will mostly fail if you think you can. If you think you can then short their shares and be happy. Charlie, didn't you? If not, then, seriously, you are total idiot, retard, moron, ass#$%l and I do not care what you write anymore. Tell us
Charlie's articles are the bread and butter of the internet, it wouldn't be the same without them would it?
Come 2020 we will still be here reading these same articles, with Nvidia and ATI both still going strong, with Nvidia going out of business "any day now.... Just you wait and see!"
The error is not in the analysis, or the Nvidiot slamming which is well deserved. It is not even in the malicious chuckling I can envision Charlie doing while writing this up...
The "I'm losing money on every X I sell! How do you make any money? Volume! Volume!" bit goes back way before that screeching nuisance. Check Marx Brothers, George Burns, and a whole litany of Vaudeville performers before them...
The admittedly large roster of PHYSX titles needs to be put into the context of what PHYSX does for the game.
There are things like the UT maps that utilise PHYSX to create particles that any serious player would turn off as a pointless distraction.
Then there are titles like Mirror's Edge, where you do see a real, and enjoyable, difference between with and without PHYSX.
Finally, there are games that are either unplayable, or where you lose a lot, without PHYSX. I'm not sure that there are actually any games in this category.
someone need to put an end to charlie's ignorance regarding physx supported titles.
http://physx.cwx.ru/
currently there are 135 physx games released. not "2", but 7 of them already are GPU accelerated (17 PPU accelerated). at least 36 in development. while AT LEAST 16 of them will be GPU accelerated.
you better start getting used to the fact that you gonna loose visual content or suffer performance issues, when you go the ATI route.
GPU Havok (via opencl) will work with geforce too, so all in all, you end up with less.
Have to admit that, despite Charlie's un-naturally ability to focus on just one thing (to the point of fanaticism), he has got this story well and truly nailed.
Not having DX11 on time will be a massive blow, thank God that Intel won't have a brand new DX11 part in the market and a marketing budget that will make 'saving a banking institution' look highly affordable
Hope that nothing in this report will actually cause people within nVidia to be sued for non-disclosure, especially after the HP-chip-shaft debacle
I remember the time when Charlie nearly swore that Nvidia will never succeed in designing a dual chip out of the GT200 processor because of heat and power consumption limitations .
his argument was so sound and so rational that every ignorant fanboy here believed it and received it as the only truth .
of course Nvidia released GTX295 and it has lower temperature and power consumption than 4870X2 , and it gave back the crown of performance to Nvidia .
my point is , Charlie's bulls are always wrong , because he is always trying to prove something , he is always looking at things from a biased view , and that costs him his credibility .
you know why I think charlie is left ranting without consequences , I think you are a tool in the hands of Nvidia to fool the competitors .
good luck with that , tool !
Look, I bought the spin. I own a 790i ultra 2xSLI rig with a 1xPPU and I'm here to tell you it has been nothing but heartache. I so really wanted it all to work out. But in the end its a pile of fragile hardware and drivers.
My $2500 nvidia rig only scores about 100 or so marks better than my $960 dollar Phenom 2 Crossfire rig.
It's about the hassles for me. I spend HOURS tuning the nvidia system just to be stable when the ATI/AMD rig just works albeit just a little slower.
I agree with most of you, its all about the drivers and nvidias suck.
all rant.... whats the point of this article?
You realise that 'next gen' GTX280M is just a rebadged 9800GTX+ ?
I might also add:-
1) The UK government's system for MP's expenses is wholesome and fair
2) Nuclear power's safe
3) The world is flat
4) I'm from Microsoft and I'm here to help you
Grass in a game is a distraction too, but anyone would prefer it along with trees and reflections.
As far as Tegra goes, Charlie should check out Asus with his "sources"
i got to admit ATi is coming back with a vengeance, since Nv's been cooking things.
$$$ we shall see better value for performance, i just don't want to pay over $400 dollars to see some decent sh!t, ATi is did a great job on delivering what is needed for us, cheap and great!!!
I want 60fps in every game i play at the highest detail possible for a *good* price. GPU Compute is a cherry and, hey, if Physx give me more immersion, then great, I'll take it. nVidia gives me this right now. Until ATI can, I'll buy nVidia. When ATI can, I'll buy ATI.
I think what he's trying to do is keep the customers loyal to nvidia throughout the recession. So that when they actually start making money after the recession they'll still have the market share.
What a pathetic twisted load of bollocks come out of Charlie's weasel brain. Nvidia has 70% of the discrete GPU market and dominates workstation as well. Debt free and cash in the bank they will weather the recession far better than AMD ATI who's been drowning in red ink for years, in spite of Charlies hallucinations.
Nvidia's shady accounting and soaping the eyes is becoming one to the likes of Intel. Those two should merge and run each other into the ground with their creative tactics. I'm no business major, but is liquidating the merchandise that has been written off at a loss into the marketplace even legal from an accounting point of view?
My 8800 GTS is only about 1.5 yrs old approx. That is not new, but I don't think it is old. I don't think a GPU should have problems within 2 yrs....
I've never had anything other than nvidia before, but I think it is time to give ATI a try.
The problem only really occurs in graphics intensive games and the only "fix" I've found so far is to turn down the graphics settings in the game. :(
Though I hate NVIDIA for their Nvsvc32, for their mess with faulty 84x, 86x chips and falling share prices of last 2 days I may still buy my next laptop with their new next gen 280M graphics chip which is 3-4 times faster then 9600M and are 5-10 times faster then my current laptop's ATI 2600 with 512MB which is just 7-8 months old.
Or it will be laptop with AMD/ATI graphics if it will met better by reviewers.
As to the NVDA performance, i will repeat "Nobody can predict the market" you will mostly fail if you think you can. If you think you can then short their shares and be happy. Charlie, didn't you? If not, then, seriously, you are total idiot, retard, moron, ass#$%l and I do not care what you write anymore. Tell us
Slava
Its a hardware issue, get a new card, y r u using vista anywhere with a old pc.
It is a major issue affecting many thousands of people. It should have been fixed 2 years ago.
If i post a link to a 2 year old thread about ATI issues will that make you not buy ATI products anymore?
Charlie's articles are the bread and butter of the internet, it wouldn't be the same without them would it?
Come 2020 we will still be here reading these same articles, with Nvidia and ATI both still going strong, with Nvidia going out of business "any day now.... Just you wait and see!"
not sure I can buy nvidia products anymore since they refuse to fix their vista graphics drivers
nvlddmkm stopped responding in Windows Vista, Vista Driver Problem
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=25381
The error is not in the analysis, or the Nvidiot slamming which is well deserved. It is not even in the malicious chuckling I can envision Charlie doing while writing this up...
The "I'm losing money on every X I sell! How do you make any money? Volume! Volume!" bit goes back way before that screeching nuisance. Check Marx Brothers, George Burns, and a whole litany of Vaudeville performers before them...
The admittedly large roster of PHYSX titles needs to be put into the context of what PHYSX does for the game.
There are things like the UT maps that utilise PHYSX to create particles that any serious player would turn off as a pointless distraction.
Then there are titles like Mirror's Edge, where you do see a real, and enjoyable, difference between with and without PHYSX.
Finally, there are games that are either unplayable, or where you lose a lot, without PHYSX. I'm not sure that there are actually any games in this category.
someone need to put an end to charlie's ignorance regarding physx supported titles.
http://physx.cwx.ru/
currently there are 135 physx games released. not "2", but 7 of them already are GPU accelerated (17 PPU accelerated). at least 36 in development. while AT LEAST 16 of them will be GPU accelerated.
you better start getting used to the fact that you gonna loose visual content or suffer performance issues, when you go the ATI route.
GPU Havok (via opencl) will work with geforce too, so all in all, you end up with less.
Everything you read in this article will come true.
Nvidia are tanking horribly and they are so far behind with 40nm and g300 its unbelievable.
The whole coming year from nvida will be all about spin, rebranding and trying to hold on to as much market share as they can.
For someone who hates nvidia so much, you sure get on their shiet about every little thing... hmm, you sounding more like a stalker.
Have to admit that, despite Charlie's un-naturally ability to focus on just one thing (to the point of fanaticism), he has got this story well and truly nailed.
Not having DX11 on time will be a massive blow, thank God that Intel won't have a brand new DX11 part in the market and a marketing budget that will make 'saving a banking institution' look highly affordable
Hope that nothing in this report will actually cause people within nVidia to be sued for non-disclosure, especially after the HP-chip-shaft debacle
I'll buy the fist *fast* 40nm gfxcard that hits the marked, and it sure seems like AMD will grap my money this time.