Give Nvidia some credit? Die shrinks have cut it for ages!

Have you looked around recently, Phenom 2 are basically die shrinks of Phenoms, yet they now hold the highest multi core OC in existence.

Even the Radeon 4800 as you pointed out, won on die size. The 4870 terrorized Nvidias flagships and it had a smaller memory bus, and cost less than half the price. how did ATi do it, the used 800 really small simple chips to beat NVidias 192 troll like monsters.

Common, give Nvidia some credit. They know what they are doing. Remember all the fuss when ATI released the 4800 series, about how going to smaller GPUs was the wrong approach, and that ATI could only win if they cheated and put 2 processors together? Guess what? Die shrinks don't cut it any more. Intel discovered that little fact long ago (2 cores-- 3 cores-- 4 cores ... see a pattern yet). ATI caught on quickly, and changed their approach. Nvidia? Well, i bet they are scrambling right now to catch up, because they are so late to the small chip, multi-core game. And when they do produce some, they are going to have to eat their words. But that will be so long after they said them, they hope most people will have forgotten. wanna bet Charlie is there to remind them?

Whats more sad?

nvdia renaming a 2 year old product 4 times.

Or the fact that nvidia's 2 year old product can still compete with ATI's brand new one?

Charlie, my dear Armenian...
You should seriously consider working for ATI's PR department man! Serioysly!
Your manipulation obviously works, especially when brainless ati fanboys are reading your articles agreeing with your every utter word.
But the problem is that you are even more unethical than nvidia.
You are too rush to condemned SLI, PhysX and CUDA. You dont even realise that CUDA helped Folding@home to process data many times faster.. but NOOOOoooo, Mr. Charlie doesnt care about that, because his ATI card is 5 frames faster than Nvidia and after all... THIS IS ALL THAT MATTERS, yes?
Not the features, not the stability and the drivers.. NOTHING.
You don't realise that it is not good thing to spit in the same place where you use to eat.
In the meantime, how can you complain about G92? Why you dont bust our balls with Ati's blank and non existent innovations on GPU's?
Hey man, get a life.. or find a girl. You need it obviously.

P.S. @ TheInquirer: Hey guys fire him. Because he gets attention doesn't mean that necessary he writes important thing. It could have been just the fact the he is a clown.

I don't want to get too involved in this insanity, but I think there's a technical error in this article. I don't think a game needs to run at 120Hz in order to use nVidia's stereoscopic glasses with it. I think that figure is the refresh rate required if you want to use an LCD with the glasses.

Sold the 1,000 shares today at $8.10 for a tidy little profit of $480.00 less $14 in commissions. Chump change for the really rich, but not at all bad for less than 24 hours in the market. Thank you Nvidia for the cards and the cash...back to Fallout 3.

I wanted to throw my 2 cents down the well of public opinion...

1. I can understand renaming cards. "New" cards sell better than "old" ones and as long as the specs are made clear I do not care if Nvidia or ATI rename their cards to fit their latest line-ups, everyone needs to make money.

2. On the other hand, if a company renames a card but tries to fool the consumer about just what that card is, well I think that is a dishonest business practice and shameful. The 9600GSO w/48 SP and 256bit mem bus is an example of a practice I find despicable.
Basically, they released one card, the 8800 GS, then the 9600GSO, then the OTHER 9600GSO. I ended up buying one of the crappy 9600GSO's for a customer not realizing it was the G94b variant. I even knew that there were two versions, but my wholesaler didn't have the specs listed.

3.Finally, to all you people who come in here shouting "Charlie's mum was raped by Nvidia, thats why he hates them!": Get a life. If you really disagree with him for legitimate reasons, then fine, but if your ownership of an Nvidia card is part of how you define yourself, well you need to turn off your computer and go for a walk.

Post Script: The author of this comment is not now, nor has he ever been, a fanboi. He has owned and gamed on Nvidia gpu's, ATI gpu's, and even ran DOOM on his family's first computer, a 486. If it is tech, and it is cool, I'm a fan.

Sounds like they stopped serving pizza at these press conferences. :(

I agree that there's been a huge lack of foresight in the industry, and beyond for that matter. I think Nvidia is just trying to figure out where to go from here. Pack your pipes and follow me.

What if display resolutions had maxed out at 640x480, would anyone be buying quad core CPU's? No need. The hardware today has exceeded what the display technology can handle. No more pixels left to push, and that means you have less people in the market for high end hardware. Less means less.

I'd like to see quad LCD support with graphics cards, where you could wire 4 displays as one display. With a base resolution of 1024x768, you could do 4096x3072. For under a grand, I could dream about new hardware for the next ten years or longer. But spending that kind of money on a display that's basically already obsolete?

Be real, be sober.

I just bought 1,000 shares of nvidia (NVDA) for $7.62 a share today.

Could. Not. Be. Happier. :)

And, no, I'm not some inside shill. I've made money each time I've traded this stock and hope to again this time around. And my dual 260s still stomp!

You make my day. And you know, I don't even care much about either nvidia or ati. But watching you rip apart bullshit is like, *way* entertaining. The fanbois are kind of entertaining too.

Go ahead nvidiots and go blind to the things nvidia is doing, cause you just love being milked by nvidia with thier fancy sweet talks. Btw i haven't used an ati card so i ain't siding here.. surely my next card would be though. I don't hate nvidia(before) i just hate what they are doing right now.

I'm not reading this rubbish but think everyone should remember that Charlie's articles offer nothing but bullshit, lies, half-truths and whatever other crap his biased mind leads him to write.
Apart from that, enjoy it.

The G92 was a fantastic chip in its day (substrate issues aside), but rename after rename after rename is getting sad.

However, as to the presentation itself, these are PR people and PR people from most any company are like this (massive 'C'-Suckers).

I've started to ignore the articles ( i go to techpowerUp for that) and just read the comments. I watch NV chaps attack Charlie (rightly as this isn't journalism, it's personal) and i watch ATI chaps attack the NV chaps. It's all very childish. There are more chips on shoulders from both sides than there are chips in a Harry Ramsdens restaurant. It's freaking obvious Charlie has a seething hatred for NV which means he therefore cannot write a balanced article. And, it is obvious, NV are reselling the same products under a different name. Now, i ask you, if the products work (bump materials aside :p) if Joe Public buys a 8800GT/9800GT/G250/green banana - who gives a rats ass what its called? Personally, given the pricing, I'd buy ATI. But at the high end, I'll stick with NV. It's called corporate capitalism and marketing you numpties. Just deal with it and go buy whatever card you so desire.

All he does is post viral articles about Nvidia and its getting sicking. Charlie has an issue with Nvidia and should not be allowed to post anything concerning them as everything he writes is poison. The man couldn't post anything nice if he wanted to. ATI has and still has some issues and yet he doesn't write poisonous articles for them. Makes me wonder if ATI is the one paying him and not TheInq. To the guy who says CUDA wont work with these rebadged cards, your a dope. Cuda works with all DX10 cards from Nvidia which is why you can use any for PhysX.

Where is Nvidia's NEW products? WTF is with this regurgitation of the same product over and over again?...And then covering it up with Marketing?

Doing it once is forgivable...Doing it 3 times? That's just desperate.

Seriously, where is the new architecture, Nvidia?

Long been a Nvidia product purchaser (from the TNT days)...But now I'm jumping ship.

The embargo is lifted tomorrow (tuesday 3rd)

Since when has the great Charlie Demerjian been afraid of NDAs and legal teams when it comes to ripping on NVidia? You go out of your way to post your rants and every misstep of NVidia and yet suddenly become afraid to post your sources of information. I for one would like to look at the slides and make up my own mind instead of being led through Charlie skewed perspectives and blind hatred that he called journalism.

The article is a little harsh maybe, but justified. I would be nice if NV would get their (management) head out of their ass eventually, it ain't rose'y like they think.

NV has stunk like stink has never stuck ever since the criminal take over/destruction of 3DFX.

Thank you Charlie for showing us what Nvidia is up to… and to the first poster, what are you an Nvidia representative/fanboy/Lemming?

When will the nvidia fanboys shut up and finally post about how nVidia killed PhysX? yeah, I mean the add-in cards that they "fully support" but which seem to be mysteriously not working anymore. Is there honestly one person still out there what wants to pay a premium just to run with a geforce only to find out it lacks features along the way? oh God, buy a GTS250 now and find out how it won't be compatible with CUDA once someone actually writes something worthwile along the way.

Great going charlie, thank you for informing the stupid ignorant masses about the piece of crap nvidia is nowadays.

They shouldn´t be let do this, but hey we live in a shitty world don´t we ?

All i wish is that all of this comes out and is known by everybody and no1 buys this crappo company´s products.

Keep up with the good work charlie, don´t let the stupid fanbois distort the truth about "the way its meant to be renamed" company

I must by one now

I knew this was going to be another boring Charlie article.

Can you please choose some more interesting topics to go over than nitpick every bit of marketing junk that nVidia throws around? This is like analyzing an infomercial.