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We, the Wrox editorial process involved a lot more than editing

Ever since those very first 'Revolutionary' titles, on Assembly Language and COBOL (written by Russian authors who often displayed a quite alarmingly tenuous grasp of the English language) the editorial process at Wrox was to tear the content appart, rewrite the text, provide new code examples, or add in those extra details about how to get the examples working on Windows 95, Windows ME, a Mac, in Netscape... or any number of similar 'minor technical details' that the 'athour' hadn't thought about. Even our indexers would often flag up problems with the content and get it corrected. One Visual Basic book, in particular (whose 'author' still does the Microsoft conference circuit - based largely on the success of this ONE title) barely contains ANY text written by the man, at all. It was actually written, for him, by his lead technical editor - a young woman by the name of Kate Hall - simply because he never provided any copy on time! In some cases, you just need some well-known name to stick on the cover. I believe other succesful IT publishers (O'Reilly, Apress) follow the same basic approach. Think on that, next time you thumb through the pages of a computer book and imagine it to be the work of some solitary genius. You don't need crappy AI to provide you with bad copy, believe me. You were often glad to get any copy, at all.

posted by : Daniel, 16 February 2009 Complain about this comment
Sorry to see Wrox go

I remember many years ago buying a Wrox book - i think it was for VB 6 - and being very impressed, so much so that I looked specifically for Wrox books from then on.

Note that it was actually written by Wrox.

Then years later I got a book PUBLISHED by Wrox, on VB.net.

I was flabbergasted at how bad it was! It seemed like it hadn't been written by a human at all -- it was if someone had used reflector to expose all the underlying code, tidied it up a little, added a preface, and voila! they had a shitty book. It cost me around $80 and from then on I never bought another Wrox book (Note that the book had TWO authors listed.)

Since then I've found out that indeed some people are now publishing books that are NOT written by human authors; in fact there's a famous guy whose name I can't remember who has more than 200 books under his name. Turned out what he really wrote was some specialist AI routines that collate information into "books". And now his AI writes "books" for him that are little more than recitations of facts. It seems some other publishers are now experimenting with the same thing.

Beware! There's nothing like a human author. Note I'm not being speciesist - the AI "books" read like tooltips or syntax lists condensed by the thousands into a "book" .

posted by : Jamie, 14 February 2009 Complain about this comment
And, as an update

An excolleague reminds me that O'Reilly's covers no longer come from the Dover Archive, but actually get produced, specially, by in-house artists at O'Reilly's Cambridge offices, to reproduce the original look and feel of those first O'Reilly titles. People have come to trust those covers... So what started out as a cost-saving exercise has become another extra overhead. Law of unintended outcomes.

posted by : Daniel, 13 February 2009 Complain about this comment
I hate headfirst

I hate headfirst books, if only for the stupid photos they use and the layout.
The pictures are intrusive and the content of them is stupid at best, and not only that, but they get in the middle of the reading too, totally distracting you from the content.

Now this isn't controversy, is just my preference. I'd read an o'reilly or wrox book any day, but headfirst, well, they're hideous.

posted by : Jose Miguel, 13 February 2009 Complain about this comment
Good to see

I worked for a Certain Other Publisher (well known for putting photos of the authors on the covers) which died, horribly, in the flames of a million burning copies of 'Beginning COBOL.NET', back in March 2003, and so I know how very narrow the margins can be on computer books. In fact, that whole 'author photos' thing only started, because it saved having to pay royalties to anyone (the animals on Tim's books happen to all come from the royalty-free 'Dover Pictorial Archives'). That said, Tim O'Reilly has always been very big on quality, despite this. While Wrox books were little more than glorified Word documents, things like that the lay-flat binding, O'Reilly gets his printers, Malloy and Courier, to do for him adds both cost and value to a book. You have to be sure of selling x many copies, just to cover the cost of adding that binding to the print run. That means you have to be printing something that can command it's market place: usually based on merit, alone. Yes, you might happen to have the definitive title on LISP E-Commerce, but since you'll probably need at least three authors, just to write the damn thing for you, your potential audience has already gone down by three before you've even begun editing. As someone who worked for a rival that didn't survive (the titles bearing the Wrox brand, now, are simply badged-up Wiley titles) I have to say that I hope to see O'Reilly books on the shelves for many years to come. An IT industry without O'Reilly books is like the grin without the cat. I barely ever look at any of my old Wrox books, any more, but there are O'Reilly titles, I own, that say they were printed in 1997 on the inside cover, that I still refer to. That's worth a bind of lay flat binding.

posted by : Daniel, 13 February 2009 Complain about this comment
hats off

a fine bloke he is! best to family, and a shout out from us up here in nor cal!

posted by : m.oreilly, 13 February 2009 Complain about this comment
Pay attention much?

It's not headverse, it's Head First...

The Head First series is an awesome way top pick up knowledge since they use plenty of examples and clear-speak explanations (with lots of pictures!). Great for those who get bored easily.

posted by : tfontaine, 12 February 2009 Complain about this comment

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