What bulls, VIA is does have their own GPU for this application
Has he not heard of S3 aka VIA's graphics department?
they're still active and pumping out an SKU or two a year.
and while they don't produce fantastic integrated graphics, their discrete ones are certainly fine and the 400/500 series ones don't have compatibility problems while performing better than the geforce 8400 parts. (yeah thats not a tall order to beat but even the lowest Chrome 430 GT beats the Geforce 8400GS soundly)
Gaming Netbook - it's the next big thing, or it could be. 2.5GHz dual core, 2GB RAM, mid-range GPU for small screen 1024x800 resolution 10" screen.
If they built something like that for $400/£300 then it would be flying off the shelves all round the world. AND it could help increase game software sales.
Big game houses should get together, work out a common hardware spec and present it to the OEM's, Intel and AMD, oh and Nvidia too.
this nvidia founder is of course mouthing the propaganda war, the GPU vs CPU ballgame that they have been waging for so long yet has never ever succeeded simply because GPU has been slower to innovate and hit breakthrough technologies than CPU. both amd and intel have been funding serious research and development, it's the reason we have fast, power-efficient hardwares that are now waiting for the right software to exploit its true capabilities. even if all of the internet moves to video, the cpu is still the ultimate factor that determines performance. on his comment about intel atom, i think he is just jealous of its success. a public middle-school student in bangladesh has never heard of electronic arts, he's using a netbook for his first glimpse of the internet. the same is true for the hardened globe-trotter who is tired lugging around a 5-7 pound beast just to check emails and revise a few documents. grow up, dude!
I'm not saying he's the best guy for the job, my point is that for somebody who's been running the company since the beginning, he must've done something right since they're still alive and well.
I've been using their GPUs and chipsets since I can remember, and I haven't had any issues whatsoever, so I'm pretty happy with them.
At least not in the sense that it is being used today. They don't want to make a great netbook chipset because that would cannibalize the sales of the higher margin notebooks/laptops. Atom was meant to be a kind of "foot in the door" to get then into smart phone pdas, and other small handheld devices. Unfortunately as the economy tanked, manufacturers saw them as a way to increase their margins and prop-up low end notebook/netbook sales.
Intel is so slow at moving forward, Atom CPU is a step backward with its performance level. No one should buy anything less than Dual Core, hell some people even say Quad Core. But their pricing strategy with low end CPU is very bad in my opinion, with low price I mean 40$-80$ range.
A screen I can read comfortably in the bright glare on the beach, it'll endure the sand and the salt water, the battery will last all day long and the night so I can show my new found friends in the pub my facebook or whatever. The tiny little speakers actually sound good and due to the special design they use the hollow space built into it to serve as a floation device(in case the boat sinks you can send an instant message for help) as a subwoofer.
Oh, and I really like the way they made the batteries cheap and hotswappable, and that the built in solar cells in the screen actually charges the battery when you use it in sunlight.
I mean, I'd love myself one of these even if Photoshop runs in slow motion, after all, it can play bluray discs using the wireless HDMI.
That clown has been at the helm of nvidia, that's why we saw so many nvidia chips fail, then the company kept denying that there's a problem because of his arrogance and they ran into bigger problems when they tried to fix it. (see Charlie's electron microscopy article on the INQUIRER).
That "clown" is the founder of NVIDIA, and has been "at the helm" since the very beginning.
He's a chip engineer himself, so he does actually know what he's talking about, though whether or not what he says is completely true or not only people in the industry (including him) would know.
i hope hes kidding.so....i have to bring a monitor with me all the time? id have to say there is no real point in this sort of product.it has all the bells and whistles with a crappy processor and low ram.
"I think consumers would be really disappointed if they learned that Intel is sabotaging their ability to get access to breakthrough technologies"
That arrogant twit denied SLI tech for years and now he cries foul? I hope Intel doesn't give him a phone number, let alone "breakthough technologies".
NVDA shareholders should put a muzzle on this dog, for their own good.
he is annoying, and yes some of his points are ridiculous, but some he is right. yep its a NETbook platform, but its also potentially a great HTPC platform. either solution isnt quite up to whats required of it, browsing online can be helped by better graphics - some flash for example is painfully slow on GMA 945. a HTPC needs to be able to run HD video IMO, and yet again intel's chipset fails to deliver without extra components, a discrete GPU. nvidia are doing atom a favour here by fixing a few graphics related problems with a faster IGP. i for one would seriously love a netbook that can play games from just a few years ago smoothly, even if it was just 1024 x 768. cmon, who wouldnt like a tiny pc games machine like that??
To everybody who has an Atom and thinks it's slow, I don't know what you're doing wrong. My Atom-based netbook is almost as fast as my full-size 1.8ghz Sempron laptop. The Sempron was a pretty solid processor 3-4 years ago, so I don't know what you guys are running today that's so much more sophisticated than 3-4 years ago?!
I have found that running a VM on the Atom is completely unacceptable, and that running floating-point intensive scientific code is slow to the point of being unacceptable, but really, how many people are doing this stuff with ANY of their computers today?
That guy doesn't have any modesty at ALL. "It doesn't run anything well from Electronic Arts, it doesn't run anything well from Adobe..." that's because it's not supposed to. It's supposed to be a processor for NETboooks. NET-books. for surfing the net, listening to the music and may be casual video viewing. that's how Intel defines netbooks. It's not Intel's fault that OEM's are putting atom in much highly priced systems, for which atom isn't made. quote from anandtech:
"I talked to Mooly about how the Atom processor wasn’t delivering enough performance for the netbooks that it’s in... To my surprise, Mooly said that the Atom delivered fine performance for netbooks. But it turned out that Mooly and I had very differing views on netbooks. Mooly’s view was that netbooks should be ultra affordable devices priced between $299 and $349. At those prices, Atom does deliver enough performance.
The reality of the situation however, is that manufacturers are shipping netbooks in the $500 - $900 range (way to go Sony) and outfitting them with 1.6GHz and even 1.33GHz Atom processors... it seems to me that manufacturers are capitalizing on the newness of netbooks by attempting to price them much higher than they should be." http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3496&p=4
Has he not heard of S3 aka VIA's graphics department?
they're still active and pumping out an SKU or two a year.
and while they don't produce fantastic integrated graphics, their discrete ones are certainly fine and the 400/500 series ones don't have compatibility problems while performing better than the geforce 8400 parts. (yeah thats not a tall order to beat but even the lowest Chrome 430 GT beats the Geforce 8400GS soundly)
Gaming Netbook - it's the next big thing, or it could be. 2.5GHz dual core, 2GB RAM, mid-range GPU for small screen 1024x800 resolution 10" screen.
If they built something like that for $400/£300 then it would be flying off the shelves all round the world. AND it could help increase game software sales.
Big game houses should get together, work out a common hardware spec and present it to the OEM's, Intel and AMD, oh and Nvidia too.
this nvidia founder is of course mouthing the propaganda war, the GPU vs CPU ballgame that they have been waging for so long yet has never ever succeeded simply because GPU has been slower to innovate and hit breakthrough technologies than CPU. both amd and intel have been funding serious research and development, it's the reason we have fast, power-efficient hardwares that are now waiting for the right software to exploit its true capabilities. even if all of the internet moves to video, the cpu is still the ultimate factor that determines performance. on his comment about intel atom, i think he is just jealous of its success. a public middle-school student in bangladesh has never heard of electronic arts, he's using a netbook for his first glimpse of the internet. the same is true for the hardened globe-trotter who is tired lugging around a 5-7 pound beast just to check emails and revise a few documents. grow up, dude!
I'm not saying he's the best guy for the job, my point is that for somebody who's been running the company since the beginning, he must've done something right since they're still alive and well.
I've been using their GPUs and chipsets since I can remember, and I haven't had any issues whatsoever, so I'm pretty happy with them.
Let us not forget that even the slowest 'Netbook' runs circles around Pentium 3 or most Pentium 4 desktops of yesteryear.
It's not the hardware that got slower, its the software that bloated and gummed things up.
At least not in the sense that it is being used today. They don't want to make a great netbook chipset because that would cannibalize the sales of the higher margin notebooks/laptops. Atom was meant to be a kind of "foot in the door" to get then into smart phone pdas, and other small handheld devices. Unfortunately as the economy tanked, manufacturers saw them as a way to increase their margins and prop-up low end notebook/netbook sales.
Intel is so slow at moving forward, Atom CPU is a step backward with its performance level. No one should buy anything less than Dual Core, hell some people even say Quad Core. But their pricing strategy with low end CPU is very bad in my opinion, with low price I mean 40$-80$ range.
A screen I can read comfortably in the bright glare on the beach, it'll endure the sand and the salt water, the battery will last all day long and the night so I can show my new found friends in the pub my facebook or whatever. The tiny little speakers actually sound good and due to the special design they use the hollow space built into it to serve as a floation device(in case the boat sinks you can send an instant message for help) as a subwoofer.
Oh, and I really like the way they made the batteries cheap and hotswappable, and that the built in solar cells in the screen actually charges the battery when you use it in sunlight.
I mean, I'd love myself one of these even if Photoshop runs in slow motion, after all, it can play bluray discs using the wireless HDMI.
GMA 945 may not cut it, but Poulsbo does it great.
That clown has been at the helm of nvidia, that's why we saw so many nvidia chips fail, then the company kept denying that there's a problem because of his arrogance and they ran into bigger problems when they tried to fix it. (see Charlie's electron microscopy article on the INQUIRER).
"It doesn't run anything well from Electronic Arts, it doesn't run anything well from Adobe, it doesn't run anything well from Microsoft."
--- No need for them. My netbook runs Linux very well... :-)
Daniel, Belgium
That "clown" is the founder of NVIDIA, and has been "at the helm" since the very beginning.
He's a chip engineer himself, so he does actually know what he's talking about, though whether or not what he says is completely true or not only people in the industry (including him) would know.
i hope hes kidding.so....i have to bring a monitor with me all the time? id have to say there is no real point in this sort of product.it has all the bells and whistles with a crappy processor and low ram.
That's rich! He says:
"I think consumers would be really disappointed if they learned that Intel is sabotaging their ability to get access to breakthrough technologies"
That arrogant twit denied SLI tech for years and now he cries foul? I hope Intel doesn't give him a phone number, let alone "breakthough technologies".
NVDA shareholders should put a muzzle on this dog, for their own good.
F**K him, 4870X2 here I come.
SPARKS
What a dumbass. Nvidia will soon be history if this clown is at the helm
he is annoying, and yes some of his points are ridiculous, but some he is right. yep its a NETbook platform, but its also potentially a great HTPC platform. either solution isnt quite up to whats required of it, browsing online can be helped by better graphics - some flash for example is painfully slow on GMA 945. a HTPC needs to be able to run HD video IMO, and yet again intel's chipset fails to deliver without extra components, a discrete GPU. nvidia are doing atom a favour here by fixing a few graphics related problems with a faster IGP. i for one would seriously love a netbook that can play games from just a few years ago smoothly, even if it was just 1024 x 768. cmon, who wouldnt like a tiny pc games machine like that??
she looks hot
"so I don't know what you guys are running today that's so much more sophisticated than 3-4 years ago?!" Core 2 Duo's, like 4-5 times faster.
To everybody who has an Atom and thinks it's slow, I don't know what you're doing wrong. My Atom-based netbook is almost as fast as my full-size 1.8ghz Sempron laptop. The Sempron was a pretty solid processor 3-4 years ago, so I don't know what you guys are running today that's so much more sophisticated than 3-4 years ago?!
I have found that running a VM on the Atom is completely unacceptable, and that running floating-point intensive scientific code is slow to the point of being unacceptable, but really, how many people are doing this stuff with ANY of their computers today?
"A netbook is a low-cost PC that doesn't work that well"
You could say that about an Apple G4.
Efros
That guy doesn't have any modesty at ALL. "It doesn't run anything well from Electronic Arts, it doesn't run anything well from Adobe..." that's because it's not supposed to. It's supposed to be a processor for NETboooks. NET-books. for surfing the net, listening to the music and may be casual video viewing. that's how Intel defines netbooks. It's not Intel's fault that OEM's are putting atom in much highly priced systems, for which atom isn't made. quote from anandtech:
"I talked to Mooly about how the Atom processor wasn’t delivering enough performance for the netbooks that it’s in... To my surprise, Mooly said that the Atom delivered fine performance for netbooks. But it turned out that Mooly and I had very differing views on netbooks. Mooly’s view was that netbooks should be ultra affordable devices priced between $299 and $349. At those prices, Atom does deliver enough performance.
The reality of the situation however, is that manufacturers are shipping netbooks in the $500 - $900 range (way to go Sony) and outfitting them with 1.6GHz and even 1.33GHz Atom processors... it seems to me that manufacturers are capitalizing on the newness of netbooks by attempting to price them much higher than they should be." http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3496&p=4
Wow! Ion supports DX11! If only nV's Geforce line did.
Hey, maybe they could support DX10.1?
Perhaps in the next rebrand?