"I do believe in what his mother says - separating him from her and his environment is going to be detrimental to his well being."
That's the idea. It's PRISON, not a vacation.
At what point EXACTLY do people cease to be responsible for their own actions, MEDICALLY? Schizophrenia? Autism? Aspergers? Attention deficit disorder? Maybe just having a bad day?
The law should follow logic as well as the basic facts. Gary is not a terrorist and was FULLY co-opative with the authorities. This allowed things to be cleaned up and patched, so Gary actually helped security in the future (if lessons were learnt)?
The REAL issue is why is was so easy to hack in to very important PCs and why this was not noticed and went on to allow him ADMIN rights to install software that further compromised security. If systems were being monitored and backup up correctely this would have been dealt with much sooner.
It shows me that around the dreaded September 11th, America was not protecting sensitive systems. Someone or group of people should be responsible?
Gary did a crime - and should be punished, but NOT extradited to a country that has a dubious human rights record. I believe that he was threatened with going to Guantanamo bay. That would really help a mentally ill person wouldn't it?
I appreciate that there are still people with common sense in the USA, like Mr. Gutheinz. Quite frankly, I thought the country has gone completely banana over the past eight years. But the most important question should be why a European citizen can be denied a trial in Europe, and can be extradited instead. If Gary McKinnon were a German citizen, he would have that right and protection. But as a UK citizen he seems to be a second class citizen. I think every European citizen should have that right. How about a McKinnon Act?
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If this where Paragraph, it's have those two little lines||, other suggestions // or picturs of Pizza. Code isn't in English, so where do English Courts decide if its hack or even forced confession. Maybe writer had gary try some new gimmick. Whose Fault would that be, given that Gary cann't read code ethier. I say live in you bubble & turn green.
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Why is no one discussing the terrible security flaw in the systems that were hacked? My company run websites and webservices which are constantly under attack; we have to take measures to protect them. I realise that the US government systems are more complex however the stakes are higher. I am not under the impression that this guy was a particular genius. If our company was hacked it would be us that would be held responsible by our customers - not the hacker. Hackers are out there prosecuting is not going to stop them
wtf ppl?!?! If we don't prosecute our own citizens for breaking into g'v boxes, what chance do we have of prosecuting foreign nationals, or leet single celled amoeba's? who cares if this dude has a "condition?" I have a condition too, it's called curiosity... oops I wanted to see confidential information. I'm not saying lets throw the chump into prison, he needs to do some community service or somin. We've had too many bright cats go to prison simply for "hacking." 30+ years for changing schools grades? if thats how we prosecute then this guy should have 12 life sentences. obviously this doesn't make sense, so Americans need to wake up and take note on how hackers/crackers/scriptkiddies are mistreated. Come on America, who hasn't cheated on a test, or seen something they shouldn't have?
This case is not serious enough for the UK to break their extradition agreements, so he should be extradited unless he is found to be mentally incompetent by the UK courts (in which case the extradition should be blocked on the grounds that the UK does not recognize him as being legally liable for his actions). I agree with the arguments in the article, even if he is not found to be mentally incompetent his disability should be considered in sentencing.
I cannot believe the people willing to excuse such a threatening crime just because someone claims to get upset if he is sent away. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. He broke the law, a serious one. He should pay as anyone else so we don't set precident that it's ok to do what you want as long as you can claim you're not well. Boo Hoo! I'm not perfectly well, I take pills to cope, what I don't do is break federal laws! Jail the man!
so it was actually you that hacked into their computer, i suppose? or did you teach Gary?
I agree with surfer that they should probably give him a job. His definitely cleverer than the guys they have. And INQ, turn on paragraphs for goodness sake.
It's good to hear someone with some common sense. We should not be punishing mentally ill people who are no threat with such harshness. It's about time our government was standing up for the rights of it's people instead of trampling over them to please America.
oh!!, This guy is a just scriptkiddie, he is not a real hacker, let him alone, he has no technical knowledge of Hackingm he just was playing and pretending to be one
It's tragic how the mentally ill are treated and this case is absurd. It is a welcome sight to see someone from the RIGHT side of American politics exhibit common sense in assessing this situation.
With the booting of Bush and his criminal cronies I hope to see that President Obama's sensibility and humanity takes hold and eliminates the Stalinist mentality of the prior organization.
If Gary will be extradicted, it will be the evidence that Britain is a vassal of the US. Most people know that but sometimes it's good to remind the slaves who are your masters.
"I do believe in what his mother says - separating him from her and his environment is going to be detrimental to his well being."
That's the idea. It's PRISON, not a vacation.
At what point EXACTLY do people cease to be responsible for their own actions, MEDICALLY? Schizophrenia? Autism? Aspergers? Attention deficit disorder? Maybe just having a bad day?
Do the crime... do the time.
The law should follow logic as well as the basic facts. Gary is not a terrorist and was FULLY co-opative with the authorities. This allowed things to be cleaned up and patched, so Gary actually helped security in the future (if lessons were learnt)?
The REAL issue is why is was so easy to hack in to very important PCs and why this was not noticed and went on to allow him ADMIN rights to install software that further compromised security. If systems were being monitored and backup up correctely this would have been dealt with much sooner.
It shows me that around the dreaded September 11th, America was not protecting sensitive systems. Someone or group of people should be responsible?
Gary did a crime - and should be punished, but NOT extradited to a country that has a dubious human rights record. I believe that he was threatened with going to Guantanamo bay. That would really help a mentally ill person wouldn't it?
I appreciate that there are still people with common sense in the USA, like Mr. Gutheinz. Quite frankly, I thought the country has gone completely banana over the past eight years. But the most important question should be why a European citizen can be denied a trial in Europe, and can be extradited instead. If Gary McKinnon were a German citizen, he would have that right and protection. But as a UK citizen he seems to be a second class citizen. I think every European citizen should have that right. How about a McKinnon Act?
After Several Faled Attempts at octo BiPass upon Mike, Now its' Time for PsychChiefs PsychoSurgery. In America You Can Do Anything You Want.
If this where Paragraph, it's have those two little lines||, other suggestions // or picturs of Pizza. Code isn't in English, so where do English Courts decide if its hack or even forced confession. Maybe writer had gary try some new gimmick. Whose Fault would that be, given that Gary cann't read code ethier. I say live in you bubble & turn green.
Drak Drak
DrakityDrak
Drashek
Why is no one discussing the terrible security flaw in the systems that were hacked? My company run websites and webservices which are constantly under attack; we have to take measures to protect them. I realise that the US government systems are more complex however the stakes are higher. I am not under the impression that this guy was a particular genius. If our company was hacked it would be us that would be held responsible by our customers - not the hacker. Hackers are out there prosecuting is not going to stop them
wtf ppl?!?! If we don't prosecute our own citizens for breaking into g'v boxes, what chance do we have of prosecuting foreign nationals, or leet single celled amoeba's? who cares if this dude has a "condition?" I have a condition too, it's called curiosity... oops I wanted to see confidential information. I'm not saying lets throw the chump into prison, he needs to do some community service or somin. We've had too many bright cats go to prison simply for "hacking." 30+ years for changing schools grades? if thats how we prosecute then this guy should have 12 life sentences. obviously this doesn't make sense, so Americans need to wake up and take note on how hackers/crackers/scriptkiddies are mistreated. Come on America, who hasn't cheated on a test, or seen something they shouldn't have?
This case is not serious enough for the UK to break their extradition agreements, so he should be extradited unless he is found to be mentally incompetent by the UK courts (in which case the extradition should be blocked on the grounds that the UK does not recognize him as being legally liable for his actions). I agree with the arguments in the article, even if he is not found to be mentally incompetent his disability should be considered in sentencing.
I cannot believe the people willing to excuse such a threatening crime just because someone claims to get upset if he is sent away. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. He broke the law, a serious one. He should pay as anyone else so we don't set precident that it's ok to do what you want as long as you can claim you're not well. Boo Hoo! I'm not perfectly well, I take pills to cope, what I don't do is break federal laws! Jail the man!
FIRST of all, I wouldn't want this guy as my attorney - his grammar is absolutely terrible.
SECOND, I think Gary should be tried here, but his sentence should be carried out in his home country - only because of his mental illness.
THIRD - I agree with the others - turn on paragraphs (please). It makes reading comments much easier.
FOURTH - Ichijoe, why is it so hard to believe the guy worked for NASA?
unidentifiable browser problem: please email the author if you can't see paragraphs. cheers.
Thank you for speaking out. I hope The Inq forwards your letter to Gary's family and lawyer ASAP.
The Inq, please turn on paragraphs or explain why not.
so it was actually you that hacked into their computer, i suppose? or did you teach Gary?
I agree with surfer that they should probably give him a job. His definitely cleverer than the guys they have. And INQ, turn on paragraphs for goodness sake.
It's good to hear someone with some common sense. We should not be punishing mentally ill people who are no threat with such harshness. It's about time our government was standing up for the rights of it's people instead of trampling over them to please America.
Surly you meant the NSA ~sans the extra "A", NSA =/= National Security Agency, ya know the People who bought you Echelon??
.... A quick stint on google shows the same NASA References... Hummm who knew they had the James Bond Types lurking there....
oh!!, This guy is a just scriptkiddie, he is not a real hacker, let him alone, he has no technical knowledge of Hackingm he just was playing and pretending to be one
It's tragic how the mentally ill are treated and this case is absurd. It is a welcome sight to see someone from the RIGHT side of American politics exhibit common sense in assessing this situation.
With the booting of Bush and his criminal cronies I hope to see that President Obama's sensibility and humanity takes hold and eliminates the Stalinist mentality of the prior organization.
Hats off to Joseph Richard Gutheinz, Jr.
If Gary will be extradicted, it will be the evidence that Britain is a vassal of the US. Most people know that but sometimes it's good to remind the slaves who are your masters.
Why don't they just offer him a job?
He's obviously much more clever than the guys who wrote their system, so he could probably show them a few things.
Furthermore, people with this sort of "disability" are very often very close to being genuises.
Finally a Yank with a brain and common sense. Well done my son, well done!
Now go tell that to B.O (how unfortunate for a webtitle MyB.O.) - he obviously didnt go to an English public school.
:)