Hi, I read the whole series of articles on nvidiagate and I'd like to thank all authors who dig deep into the mud of corporate spinning and keep public awareness up on this problem. I'm from Germany and proud owner of a macbook pro with a 8600m gt which is showing signs of the defect since three days. In the gravis apple store the salesman said:"oh, it's the first one I see which maybe has the defect!" Of course. And: "Once the logicboard is changed, the problem NEVER occurs again!" Of course. That's why forums are full of people which had it changed three times in a row. For fun. The covering up on the nvidia side and on the apple side is unbelievable. Keep digging, keep writing, you're doing a wonderful job.

I think the only think in Neutral when you wrote that comment was your brain dude...

you missed the point again...

Charlie,

Please find one thing ATI/AMD has done that is, in your mind, unacceptable. Write about it.

I would like to see this in the form of an article, past present or future.

Why is it I always expect to see "By: Charlie Demerjian" whenever I click an NVIDIA link on theinq? Humor us...

You don't stay in business long by deceit and I don't believe nvidia is going out of business any time soon. Oh and this guy blaming nvidia for the failure of his laptop is laughable!!Enough already!!

Raiderx, that is EXACTLY what i asked and hope you keep on doing... thank you sooooo much! Keep feeding the deceiving leech!

I spent almost 1 grand(total) getting a fully loaded vostro 1500 6 months ago, with 8600gt option(paid extra $200 for it), I sent it overseas as a gift for my parents in europe. Laptop started to fail 3 days after, they spent almost 400 bucks there in qualified technies trying to find out what the problem was. At the end I bought a refurbished one(8600GT) from dell, plus some other ribbon that connect the laptop video card and send it to spain, spent $300 total(parts and shipping by UPS). after spending a total of $1700 nvidia has the nerve to said that $30 defective parts, cannot be replaced o compensate due low cost and revenue of those chips. I assume they are referring to the 8600GT which did cost me $200 extra.
They didn't take responsibility of their failure, so basically for me even if ATI doesn't like me that much, they a dead meat. Will never spend ever on nvidia products, and you can count on as an IT manager I'm, will spread the word with all my friends and relatives about the nvidia fiasco.

Ronin the only crap that you speak of is the crap in your post. Its like you are trying to pile on like a sheep.Nvidia kicks some serious butt when it comes to graphics. You know it, this Charlie cat knows it, You all know it. Leave it alone already. You all sound like a bunch of jealous bitches! Enough already. Keep on buying your ATI products and just be satisfied with that and I'll be happy with my Nvidia products like I have been all these years!

I ask to all Nvidia fanboys to please keep on buying the crap that Nvidia sells... if the crap you bought from Nvidia fails, just buy the same crap with a diferent name, and so on, and so on... LOL We ATI costumers need this, we ATI costumers need that Nvidia keeps on selling more than ATI... this way ATI will keep on making better and cheaper products. A big thanks to all Nvidia fanboys! LOL

I think there is some provision that if you buy goods and they are proven to have an inherent fault you are still covered even when out of warranty. I think. If so who cares?

The comments made by Bonedog are logical and make sense. After reading the comments u can read the NVidia fb's defending the decision, and ATI fbs deploring it. If these are simply renamed "proned to failure parts" then NVidia needs a good kick up the bum. No one needs to buy any pc parts or complete systems and be ok with it failing after such a short time. Surely for any company that would be a recipe for disaster not to mention a class action in the making. Good luck!!!

The single and most important point in all of this isn't that ATI (or any other chip maker) renames chips like Nvidia has. It's a known fact that the industry does this and that is not in contention. What IS of significance here is that Nvidia has done this WITH CHIPS THAT ARE KNOWN TO BE DEFECTIVE. The fact that they've done this to continue selling those bad chips at the end users risk is deplorable. Add in the fact that they do this AFTER the truth about the original defect, and the expanse of it was made known to the public and this is NOT about mere rebranding any more. It's now clearly into the realm of corporate deception and there's no arguing that, reguardless of which companies card is in your system. I've owned nothing but Nvidia cards in the last decade and I DO like them a lot, however there does come a point where ignoring the facts for the sake of team colors and ego becomes jeuvenile and trite.

Suggesting that it's OK for ANY company to hide and litter the market with defective products by using excuses like "buyer beware" and "people should have read about it first" is perhaps the most narrow-minded and pathetic example of blind fanboyism there is. To the guy who said that, I say grow up fool.

Nvidia renames products and Charlie rains down on them. ATI renames products and I dont think an article even appeared on the inq. This nvidia hating is becoming a circus.

Radeon 3000 are now 4000

A sharp eye of a reader has noticed that ATI will do some renaming, at least according to its latest Catalyst 8.9 driver. Many RV610 and RV630, entry level and low-end cards will miraculously become the Radeon 42x0 and Radeon HD 45x0 and 47x0.

ATI insisted that they won’t do this and even canceled some projects that we were aware of and all the sudden you see that these cards with new brands are inside of the driver. Now we are getting to the odd territories with the brand as ATI plans Radeon HD 4230, Radeon HD 4250, Radeon HD 4570, Radeon HD 4580, Radeon HD 4730 and Radeon HD 4750. We are not sure if this Radeon 4750 based on RV630 (formerly known as Radeon 3650) will be able to beat RV730 cards and Radeon 4650 and justify this 4750 name. Looks like a big mess to us.

This is the .inf list from the latest driver and we will make sure to ask ATI for some comments, as a few weeks ago they were very persistent with their high level comments that they won’t do such a thing.

Here is the list.

"ATI Radeon HD 4230" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95C5&SUBSYS_3002148C
"ATI Radeon HD 4230 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95C5&SUBSYS_3033148C
"ATI Radeon HD 4250" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95C5&SUBSYS_3003148C
"ATI Radeon HD 4250 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95C5&SUBSYS_3032148C
"ATI Radeon HD 4570" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9598&SUBSYS_3031148C
"ATI Radeon HD 4580" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9598&SUBSYS_3001148C
"ATI Radeon HD 4730" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9505&SUBSYS_3002148C
"ATI Radeon HD 4730 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9505&SUBSYS_3001148C
"ATI Radeon HD 4750" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9505&SUBSYS_3003148C
"ATI Radeon HD 4750 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9505&SUBSYS_3004148C

"ATI Radeon HD 4250 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95C5&SUBSYS_3010174B
"ATI Radeon HD 4750 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9505&SUBSYS_3010174B

"ATI Radeon HD 4230 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95C5&SUBSYS_301017AF
"ATI Radeon HD 4570 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9598&SUBSYS_301017AF
"ATI Radeon HD 4580 " = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9598&SUBSYS_301117AF

First off, I do not appreciate Mr. Charlie Demerjian's portrayal of Nvidia customers, making us come off as complete fools, as if the grass is always greener on the other side of the pasture. Both AMD/ATI and Nvidia have had their own missteps and they have done things, which we may not like, in order to keep their profitability. Moreover, the so called Nvidia fanboys are in less danger of buy re-branded parts (with out our knowledge) because we do usually purchase products in the upper range. Oh and that's right, we thankfully have plenty of whistle-blowers like Charlie here. To be fair, all of the 8, 9 and even the GT200 parts are still of good value whether they have not kept their “king of hill” status. Moreover, what should it tell you if Nvidia does not feel pressure to refresh or re-engineer parts they can move into lower segments. I guess I'm not the kind of fanboy you describe, but I'm a loyal customer and a pragmatist. We do check the reviews on parts so that the performance is something we're comfortable with.

Regarding GPGPU languages/APIs, I doubt Nvidia fears OpenCL or Directx Compute. They are currently the undisputed market leaders in this segment, or at least the loudest and most supportive. If not being anything but cheerleaders for this segment it is very likely that they have been key in making these APIs feasible enough to take the risk. In the graphics shader segment, Cg and HLSL are virtually the same and is an example of market leadership and strong branding in spite of an impending competing brand name. Considering past events, it's likely that CUDA will be very similar to these newer compute languages. If they are responsible for getting the ball rolling why should I think any less of them for jumping behind the power of a bigger and more influential corporation like Apple and Microsoft when it is just a good business decision. Where is AMD's voice, almost silent. Sure AMD has a competing platform, but it seems it was in their best interest to save resources until someone else did the work to make the market more feasible. Hey, I don't hold it against them, it's still good business considering they are battling on multiple fronts. This pattern has been consistent; Nvidia leads in pushing the new technologies readying the market. They both take turns in having the upper hand in performance. This is likely to continue until another company causes an upset – cough-cough Intel being most likely at this time.

Evidence? Is it a crime to re-brand products? I'm not saying its something I support, but why is it so damn interesting to pick on nVidia at every single opportunity. Maybe you should find a hobby Charlie. Something that doesn't involve your own personal crusade against nVidia. You write for the Inquirer and I think people expect *some* degree of obective journalism. If you like to flame nVidia so much you can always start your own "www.charliehatesnvidia.com
Just to sum it up. They renamed their top of the line chips to 2xx after running out of sensible 4-digit numbers. It's not a crime to rename the rest of the product line so it is more easily recognizable as a lower-end model of the same product line. (Which it is. It may be an older generation, but why shouldn't nVidia be allowed to sell it as their mid-range or low end models?

Actually Fudo the troubles experienced with the XBOX 360 were of Microsoft's own doing, they had in-house developed the chip as they wished to not pay a company like they did nVIDIA with the first XBOX. In the end they brought in ATI to help fix the troubles and bring the heat dissipatation down. I have always used nVIDIA and never once used ATI and seriously thinking about giving ATI a go, they've had a good strategy with the 4800 series and also priced everything more reasonably. I don't much care about the naming scheme change but do think that there will be a shrink or something involved in order to merit the name change to a degree. I don't know where you get the idea that a Celeron could even compare to a Phenom ssj4Gogeta, be serious they're not great chips but they are better than a Celeron. I miss 3dfx in a way, they were pleasant cards my first ever 3D card was a nVIDIA TNT and it just was so bad in an VIA motherboard I then got myself a 3DFX Banshee and had no troubles, before then I pretty much used only old Tridents and S3's but I will say one thing, nVIDIA may have done some bad things much like any other company but they've also done some good things for the industry, thank you for making us aware of it Charlie but also try to have something else to report on too, it's okay to make people aware of things but we don't need telling many times the same thing. Also ATI and nVIDIA are both good at what they do, no need to bash people for having either brand, if you can play your game and experience it how it's meant to be, that's enough doesn't matter if it has ATI or nVIDIA on it, just that you get to enjoy your purchase. These companies don't need people to help protect them and in actual fact sometimes doing that doesn't help the company in question it generates a hate for the company that will prevent someone that maybe for a moment would of thought about the brand you're so valiantly protecting. I hope everyone has a lovely new year and take care all!

Starting my accelerated gaming career with 3DFX Voodoo3 I can say i'm pretty qualified to make a comment. Since my first gaming rig (voodoo3, pentium3 550 256ram) i've been through numerous amounts of cards in this order. Voodoo3, Nvidia geforce4, Ati Radeon 9200, Ati Radeon x800, Nvidia 6200, Nvidia 8600gt and finally onto an Ati 2900xt which is my current (wish i had waited for 3870 which released for half the price a few months later). Anyway of all those cards, the only ones to have given me trouble were the Voodoo, the Nvidia 4 and the Nvidia 8600gt. I'm talking Blue screen driver issues and rubbish like that. I've had the odd freeze up here or there on all my cards, but the worst was the 8600 by far. Blue screen atleast twice a week in games like wow and cod4. Always pointing to the Nvidia dll files. So I'm officially Anti Nvidia atm. And i can tell you my friend has a 8800gtx and a 8500gt and nothing but problems with those too. The 8K series must be avoided. Cheers.

"...pretend Cuda actually matters and is not about to be wiped out by OpenCL and DX11 Compute Shaders."

CUDA has seen some good use in scientific computing and insofar as it is just C with some extensions I doubt that people who took the time to learn it will throw it over lightly.

DX11 is unlikely to be available on Linux and most of the scientists I know are not great fans of Windows.

OpenCl on the other hand look promising.

I'm calling wrong on you Charlie. I think CUDA will stick around and still be used, much like C is despite there being so many 'better' languages.

Love your reportage though, good work on Nvidia.

in a long standing tirade of nvidia are the root of all evil articles.

Mobile issues
Inquirer reporters spying over Nvidia PR shoulders
3d Glasses
GPU renaming scandals.

I wish you would all stop feeding it and find another news site. This place has gone to the dogs since Mike Magee left.

nobody is forcing you to buy i7. It is significantly faster than Core 2 quads in areas like rendering. at least Intel and ATI aren't trying to deceive you by selling you crap. You're blaming them for selling i7 at a high price when they're still selling core 2's. nvidia is bad because they sell their crap overpriced (only recently they had to drop the prices due to ati), which doesn't even work. Intel and ATI might not be perfect, but they're not like nvidia at least.
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And since you hate Intel so much, I think you must be using some slower-than-celeron phenom crap then?

Companies can rename their crap all they want. It's not the 1990s when there were fewer hardware sites to consult. If buyers aren't willing to do some research on their products prior to purchase, they deserved to sucker themselves into buying inferior rebagged products. Don't pretend it's an nVidia-exclusive practice either. AMD was, and is, marketing their CPUs with hokey "performance numbers" in order to keep marketing parity with Intel's chips. ATI has done it as well.

Not sure what Dell's policy on warranties on your side of the pond but here in Blighty I managed to get a couple of Dell machines (desktops and a notebook) repaired when they were a week out of warranty. They said to me that they give 14 days grace, presumably to cover shipping time.

Might be worth a try. If not, that's a real bummer a $3000 notebook failing after just a year. A friend of mine has a HP Pavillion SSF desktop which has just failed after 14 months.

I must remind myself to take out that 3 yr extended warranty/insurance on my new notebook.

Rob

Bummer for that dude but if I spent that much cash for a gaming laptop I would make sure to throw another 100 or so and get the extended warranty. I personally think gaming laptops are a joke. High end gaming puts the most stress on parts and laptops run hot enough as it is. He could have built a monster tower rig for that much cash or better yet, built a great 3.13GHz Core 2 gaming rig with a GTX 260 card to include a 24" Samsung monitor and still had enough left over for a new Macbook.

I have never seen so much crap in the comments posted about an article.

There are so many ill-informed c*cks throwing mud and trying to cloud the issue here it beggars belief.

The issue is simply, Nvidia has made shit load of bad chips. (I have had two clients with Dead dell notebooks this week already with GPU failures, one of those being an XPS 1730 with Nvidia SLi technology (oohhh wow)).

They carried on making bad chips and try to screw over their resellers, manufacturing partners and the public.

THIS IS A PROVEN AND WELL KNOWN FACT.

They are now renaming parts to cloud the radar making it more difficult to determine which parts are inherently faulty.

For those of you who are very very stupid, I will spell it out: This is very different to renaming chips to conform to an honest marketing strategy, this is renaming chips to offload faulty timebombed inventory on to a potentially unsuspecting public.

At best this is dishonest, and is bordering on fraud.

If you think this doesn't matter, or that the chips are timebombed doesn't matter. Consider one of my clients:

They have a Dell Dimension XPS 1730 laptop, this is a $3000 + (when new 12.01 months ago) gaming monster with twin 8800GT nvidia gpus and 4 gigs of RAM. It is ONE WEEK out of its 12month warranty and is a useless paperweight.

Still wanna buy Nvidia GPUs? If the answer is yes, you are so very very dumb I can't believe you manage to read anything on this page and understand it, it then goes without saying in this instance that you are far too stupid to own a computer.

Finally the world needs AMD and its processor and graphics technology so that we don't go back to the dark days of high monopoly driven intel prices and poor performance. On the other hand, we don't actually need Nvidia, all they do is try and cheat us.

This will be the third name these GPU's have come under. Don't forget 8800gts 512 and 8800gt in addition to the 9xxx series... and now these other cards? Ick. I bet that one with 1.5gb of memory is probably going to sell like hell though with all the under-educated consumers who STILL think the amount of memory is all that matters on a graphics card.

Does anyone else find it peculiar that whenever Charlie Demerjian [of The Inquirer ..is this his real name?] writes another article deriding Nvidia, that Nvidia's share price goes up? Here are a few theories as to what causes this phenomena:
1. Sensible shareholders know that Mr. Demerjian has had a private vendetta against Nvidia for some time and therefore find some entertainment value and possibly light relief in his articles in these times of financial crisis.
2. Whenever one of his articles gets printed or posted, other articles, with more balanced and warranted criticism of Nvidia, probably get 'bumped'.
3. Is it possible that Nvidia management are using him as a 'Cooler' to actually help their share price?
4. Or maybe I am being to kind to Mr. Demerjian: he is probably just a pimply 16-year-old-gamer who flipped his wig sometime ago when his RIVA failed and is unable to forgive them ever since..

Charlie, you need to grow up and do some real reporting. This is really not going to get anywhere. In the long run, everyone will learn about your biased reporting. You have already lost all your credibility. Atleast don't lose your self-respect.

Some of you are just being childish. Charlie is a newsman. He has received news in an area he has exclusively covered for the Inq. Just because (this time) he is only reporting nvidia of this you guys are giving him hell. How do you guys know if the Inq editor has told Charlie to cover all aspects of nvidia news? Also if Charlie has many contacts to give him news on nvidia should he not be reporting on it? You guys just sound like you are throwing your toys out of the perambulator because he's picking on your "wubby" nvidia.

Grow up, let the man do his job.

I even have a triple SLI setup from EVGA/nvidia and still am quite happy to see Charlie keep nvidia honest.

Dump the hate, you all look silly.

...and this isn't even Charlie's research, its a reader tip, now he's just taking whatever crap he can dig up on them and posting it, what are you Charlie, 5? Drop your grudge and do some REAL reporting. It like you sit around all day going "oh, here is something dirty about Nvidia, lets make sure that gets out there!"

All this garbage about the people pissed at these hate articles being "fanbois" is just that, garbage. I'm certainly no fanboi, I own an ATI card atm, I just don't like crusaders like Charlie trying their best to point out every flaw of only one company like they're the only ones who involve themselves with these kinds of practices.

I FORMALLY CHALLENGE CHARLIE, I CHALLENGE HIM TO DELVE INTO ATI AND LOOK FOR THESE SORTS OF ISSUES THERE IF HE IS A REAL JOURNALIST!

Of course he won't since he is all buddy buddy with them as you can tell by the photos of him on the web at AMD sponsored events. (and someone had to of supplied all that time money and equipment to do that bumb article research.)

I agree that NV should have waited until their new low end products hit the market to switch to the new naming scheme. Be that as it may, the real spinster in this case is not Nvidia but Mediamart. In the third picture flogging a GT130 (with 1536 MB of ram - WOW), the caption reads:"For the ultimate gaming experience and ideal for demanding applications".

Yeah right! How do you like Crysis @ 1024x768??

renaming happens all the time to products. theres a saying: 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on ME'. this rings true here. if you ARENT aware that nvidia have changed their naming to align it with the GTX2 series without changing the underlying cards then its YOUR fault. not nvidia's surely!!

Or so it seems that many here are defending nvidias renaming crap. First whole 9-series was just big 8-series rehash with nothing new. And now this. But apparently rebranding pays off cos stupid people are buying higher/different model numbers just to get their hands on "new" geforce.

Is it possible that NVidia will be using the new GT1xx designation to differentiate the 55nm shrinks of the original 65nm chips?

Or that the new names will apply to chips that will be packaged with new underfill and eutectic bumps?

If this is so, that would be a way for a buyer to avoid parts that are more at risk of dying prematurely.

But if the the 9500GT and its G1xx version are identical, this is of course unacceptable.

I have owned ATI before both Video and CPU in gaming rigs and they were OK but Nvidia has for the most part given me the best performance for my buck. I use Toms Hardware guide to choose because there graphs are easy to read and always show FPS in actual game tests, where it matters to me. Right now the card I would get would still be the GTX 260 which can be had for under $200 at newegg.
My 8800 GTS 512 plays Fallout 3 smooth as silk at 1920 x 1200 on a 3Ghz Core 2 rig I built. No need for these overpriced power hog x2 dual chipped cards or SLI rigs from Nvidia or ATI.

Nvidia 9 series cards ever having a GB of RAM or 1.5GB as two of the cards pictures posted do?

I am posting this because Charlie (Mr. Intel salesman), is doing a double-standard.

Bashing only nvidia? Puhleeese!!!

As if DAAMIT and Intel were such a perfect company, why hasn't iCore7 platform so expensive? To think, it's only marginally faster than existing Core2 desktop setups. And we're not talking gaming there!

How about the 3RLed xbox 360s that were caused by the overheating GPU. It's only recently being (hopefully) resolved by Jasper. But how about those who bought the console from the beginning? They're screwed? M$ is now paying shitloads of money for those screwed 3RLed xbox that were caused by the great chip DAAMIT produced.

why was my comment merged into a single paragraph?

Stepping number tells how many revisions a chip has undergone. So obviously, chips get better as the stepping number increases. Enhancements are made in the chips as new tech becomes available and new versions of the chip are launched.

What Charlie was saying was that the FIRST chip that shipped had a high stepping number. This means that nvidia had to try several times before getting it right.

Dear Mr.Charlie,
You may be right (who really knows, tomorrow I'll get up and say Bush is my elder brother).
But its shame on you that after being in industry for long, you still dont know that all brands do same. Real pity on you.

And what was your shit on that 'B02' chip? if B02 means bad then what you'll say about Intel processors and chipsets?
Intel Processors reach 'K0X' and 'P0X', chipsets reach C02 or sometimes 'D0x'. So it means they are worst. Isnt that?

Please dear Charlie, can you answer?

Charlie & Mike Are Gonna be In d' House Next Week, Mike Already in Calif & did art on X58 64 bit & lack of Testees' here:
http://www.itexaminer.com/supermicro-x8sax-workstation-gets-64-bit-tests.aspx

Charlie Got good lead on PhysX, maybe all nvidia scores that are twice as high as ati are due to little creature, also lack of Ultimate support might spring from that oversold outdated yet powerful item, whats' ati havoc got for ultimate & catch Up?
Somethings Turning at Nvidia, ASK Em' Next Week in lovely downtown Las Vegas. Where Worlds Largest Event Involving Tylenol Might be approaching,Ces.essh.TS Drashek

At least they aren't ATI who code bluescreening drivers then claim it's your hardware.
Better a working device that lasts 2 years than a device that won't work and disables your whole computer but will last 10, or what?
Oh and ATI also named all their old stuff 'hdXXX', they all do that stuff, and not just graphhicscard makers either but everything from monitors to DAP.

ok, so you're blaming Charlie for not saying anything against the company which puts out great products and for accusing a company which tries to deceive its consumers by selling overpriced crap which doesn't even work and renames it when people realize the truth so that they can keep deceiving them.

You are no doubt an nvidia fanboi. how much do they pay you?

Old news I'm afraid, this was mentioned 26th September 2008 over at Eprim.Org. that this would happen at the end of the year,

http://eprim.org/2008/09/26/graphics/nvidia-g100-gt130-gt140-and-g150-renaming-madness/

good thing we are here reading the article. we can avoid that kind of product.
but how about the millions of consumers who are unaware of this spin?
i just hope that some website will cover this kind of act.

Does it really mean anything that a graphics card developer renames a few cards to make them more appealing. Only performance matters, and if your buying a new graphics card without checking how it performs (on the many sites which review these cards) then it is your own fault.

ATi is so much better.

Nvidia has been doing this for years. Case in point, the Geforce 2 GTS 64MB DDR came out in 1999. Then the Geforce 3 came out and the 2-GTS was still available. Then the Geforce 4's came out, and NV rebranded the 2-GTS as the MX440 which continued to be sold as recently as 2006, then I saw the same card again resurface as the Geforce 4000 a year ago. Still no PS even 1.1.

As if nVidia wasn't in enough shit already with faulty chips and whatnot.

This is just getting lower by the minute.

And whilst they should be allowed to tout they're hardware PhysX (and CUDA) support, they should really make those both free and open standards, otherwise they are going to lose too much ground to OpenCL and other free and open standards (PhysX is free if you only require the binary, but requires a fee for the source code).

maybe nvidia aren't wrong in flogging physx, but they shouldn't be renaming their cards to confuse consumers. most people are going to think this is a new generation of cards derived from the GT200 chip.

Oh well, its getting clear that Charlie is being funded by Intel to spead black propaganda against its future competitor nvidia..

We are to expect some DAAMIT bashing soon eh!

DA GREEN GOBLIN FAN BOI has a point, spin is spin. And µ have been spinning rather hard on Nvidia lately.

At first I hate ATI for renamening many-many VGA. The worst of it, one generation doesn't have the same core / architect (9200 vs 9500). I really really hate this think. That why I love Nvidia. But now I hate Nvidia becouse it doing the same think. Instead of cut down GTX 280 or something resemble for GTX 1xx they just rename an older card. The second one is I have D630 with 17 million IDR (about $1700), that have G86 defect. I don't have a car, I buy this hardly by saving few years. I have been twice RMA but the temprature is still 95 degree celcius when playing POP 2008. That temprature is event higher than Quad SLI. To have 8400 GS workstation version (aka NVS 135m) with 95 degree celcius is a shame for nvidia!

Good to know.
I to live in Germany and I also read this today in the mediamarkt advert and was wondering if they have written down false GPU names. But this is just pathetic nvidia, shame on you.