">" means greater than

Orochi will have > 4 cores and > 8M cache

..Shanghai is it for the next 2 years?? That, except for some frequency bumps and a platform change to DDR3/HT3 (which will likely yield next to nothing on the desktop), they will be on a virtual standstill? For 2 years!

Meanwhile Intel will have another tick and will replace Penryn (which Shanghai performs well against) with Nehalem (which it don't) top-to-bottom.

And by the time Bulldozer rolls in, it's tock time for Intel.

Somehow I'm disappointed.

With the delay of bulldozer, they should have another tock of Shanghai in late 2009, with another 10-20% performance increase. So that they would have a tick-tock-tock strategy.

The previous talk about the catching up with intel on the process level was just FUD.

Not showing on the map, is a quad core with no level three cash. I am not sure removing that is such a good idea. Maybe having a Shangahi with 2MB of level three cash would be good idea since the Shanghai is only 10% smaller die wise than Barcelona. This would probably bring down the size to around 200-220mm2.

In your article you wrote "Orochi has four cores and 8M of cache, about what you would expect for the high end part".

Now, the roadmap image shows a greater than symbol, so more than four.

Then we have the name Orochi coming from an ancient Japanese tale of an eight headed serpent.

So, perhaps eight cores?

Orochi is marked as >4 core and >8MB cache. It is the only one with the > symbols. Usually this is read as greater than...so are 6 and 8 core processors in the pipeline?

So Deneb has to first deal with Nehalem, and then Westmere as well.

Uh oh...

Prophetaphycations: specifically those uttered by M.Magee as to AMD future, post dual core,?Who Will WIN FourCoreCrown? Well, Slippage in value with scramblin' Parts Bins, means?

Can AMD Find Hole or some kind o' time warp?

Mikestated that AMD was on road to ruin if 4 core true archetecture fails.Bulldozer was slahed, Maybe TOP End is Over?
Drashek

I'm surprised there's no 8 core parts..

I see Deneb has quietly slipped to Q1 2009 instead of Q4 2008 pushing AMD further behind Intel with their new i7 cpus.

No sign of any 8-core cpus which Intel is hoping to ship by the end of Q4 2009.

It's nice to see some accurate AMD info. instead of all the AMD bashing that is so typical of other reporters at The Inquirer. There is no doubt that someone at The Inquirer benefits from bashing AMD and hyping Intel.

hmm... i'd recommend another look at that roadmap image charlie. i think you'd find that 'orochi' has greater than four cores and 8M of cache, which is a bit more what i would expect for a high-end desktop part in 2011.

The article comments: 
"Orochi has four cores and 8M of cache"

But what I see in the picture is ">4 cores" and ">8M" of cache. Since the graphic says ">" and not ">=" in each case, one has to wonder if Charlie saw those ">"s. 

Orochi may not be available with 4 cores and/or 8M cache at all, as planned, but only with specs exceeding those.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is