Sold a brand new blackberry bold shown as working in the photograph to a student After 4 days i received an email from the buyer saying the phone was broken after he had used it for four days of using it,i wasnt happy track pad wasnt working and phone was displaying a message regarding the software and security and wouldnt budge off the screen.paypal had put a hold on the money until dispute was sorted.Ebay went with the buyer of 3 months and zero transactions £175 disappeared ebay say they have paid up and are after me for cash i have never received and a returned fiddled with phone repair cost estimated at £163 whats going on here.

I tried to post this on the PayPal discusion board it was however rejected as it violates my ebay users agreement
HOW CAN I GET FREE GOODS FROM EBAY?
The answer is simple your free items will be funded by PAYPAL. The only requirements are that you are completely dishonest and have no conscience and of course you need a PAYPAL ACCOUNT All you need do is follow these simple instruction
Step 1 Only use sellers that use Royal Mails 1st or 2nd class services or Royals Mails small packet service (This is very important and there are many of them) Never use a seller that can produce a tracking number
Step 2 View the listings carefully and select the most expensive item you can. Remember to ensure that seller uses the postal services mentioned above.
Step 3 Once you have won the item pay for it with PAYPAL
Step 4 after 15 days click onto the item you have bought and tell PAYPAL you haven’t received the item. This is where the conscience bit comes in because of course you really have received the item but PAYPAL don’t know that and they are surprisingly trusting in this situation.
Step 5 BINGO ! PAYPAL in their generosity have now reimbursed your PAYPAL account with the amount you have paid for the item
Now of course everybody is happy the buyer now has had money put back into his/her account and of course has the item. To maximise profits the buyer could sell the item at a car boot sale or better still list and sell the item on ebay. This transaction was all made possible and funded by PAYPAL
Sorry not quite accurate, just to clarify that, the transaction was made possible by PAYPAL but of course it was funded by the poor unsuspecting seller as PAYPAL took the money from his/her PAYPAL account because believe you me PAYPAL would never fund such “scams” with their own money

I have never trusted PayPal and by most of the comments made whenever that company surfaces, I never will.
I don't care what charter they have signed, PayPal is not a bank.
A bank has the obligation to make your money available to you.
A bank cannot block your account without a court order.
A bank is supposed to be at your service.

Obviously, PayPal does nothing of the sort.
Working with PayPal is akin to driving through every red light you see. You can be lucky for a while, but sooner or later you're gonna get pulled over (if you're lucky) or broadsided (if you're not).

As far as I'm concerned, they're just a bunch of crooks.
No PayPal, nor Ebay for me, thank you very much.

I email the seller saying there are no option to pay with cheque or postal order, he's not willing to help me out.

I ask someone else that the item has ended with no bids, why don't i just send you double the starting bid (£4 plus P&P) and when you have the cleared cash just post the item and you save on ebay cost. The braindead was so greedy and bent on ebay rules Bull**** he didn't want to know.

I say people like this, who don't realise ebay making a fortune out of them including paypal cost, they are all blind or maybe ebay/paypal is paying them as some ad.

Anyway.
Jon.

I never had a PayPal account, and I never will have one.

I closed my eBay account at the end of October because I would not do any business through PayPal, a payment method required now as option for all eBay transactions. My eBay feedback was close to 500, or in other words, they lost a good customer. Nobody is forced to use PayPal. If you do, it is your own fault.

BTW I could not select PayPal as reason when I closed my eBay account. Either this option is not among the given reasons, or it is well hidden. Anyway, if eBay wants to protect its PayPal business with stupid games, so be it.

Is there anyone who hasn't gotten ripped off while using EBay and PayPal?

I've gotten scammed by this Paypal loophole as well, even after i provided proof of transaction, paypal still managed to reverse the payment.

This is why i stopped using paypal and ebay, both companies have shifty business practices.

This happened to me 3/4 weeks ago. It was for something under a tenner (not like the 1500 lost above), and one of Paypal's operatives assured me I would get my money back. Well, it's still not been returned and I am loathe to spend much more time on their revenue-raising 0870 number.

Item was sent recorded, and signed for, yet Paypal were happy to deduct from my account without explanation or warning.

Very non-plussed with Paypal atm.

Why haven't any of these people contacted the police? Everything documented here is clearly "to perminently deprive", and is therefore theft.

If Paypal have in any way facilitated this then they too are guilty.

Paypal has enabled so many people to do fraudulent transactions its not even funny.

I try to avoid ebay now because paypal is a haven of disreputable buyers. I will send money with paypal but I sure has hell won't take money from it unless I trust the person.

That's funny - I had a case where someone sold me one thing and when it arrived it wasn't that - Paypal gave them 2 or 3 weeks to prove it arrived, but then I went on vacation for 3 days after they provided it and they judged in their favor when I didn't respond "in a timely manner".

Not using paypal is exactly like being a disgusting filthy heroin addict, only there is no legitimate way to throw you in jail for your crimes.

Another thing to watch is when you pay using paypal that you do not get charged twice. Paypal completely failed to respond to documentation of problems in their software causing the problems. Fortunately I was able to charge back successfully on my Ebay Credit card but have been locked out of my Ebay account since then. I am now told that my password isn't strong enough and attempts to modify it are an endless Do Loop between log in and screens saying my password isn't strong enough. Ebay is no longer trustworthy.

This exact same thing happened to me. It took me six months to get my money back, and I also had the added joy of intrum justicia, the liverpool based debt collection agency who work on behalf of paypal. At the paypal call centre ask for "UK resoloutions" then ask for the supervisor straight away. Take their name and time and date of the call. Soon you will get to know the supervisors in the call centre. They have the authority to make goodwill payments and you must try your luck each time. It took tens of calls from me before they refunded me, but the point is that in the end they did.

As you have pointed out this has been going on for years.

Paypal always sides with the buyer/scammer.

When eBay forced us UK people to accept Paypal as a payment method was the the last time I used eBay to sell anything.

Oddly enough I would only use Paypal to buy something on eBay as I know I'm covered.

So far my account is banned, and i did sh*t all, and wanted me to pay a bill, which i did, and will now never use them again, Thank god the ACCC in Australia allows for other methods, instead of forcing paypal.

I too have had this problem, I lost £1500 to some Chinese git due to this, They did the exact same thing, claimed an item not recieved after three days (2 of which were saturday sunday btw). I even used paypal's online tie in with parcelforce to send the goods, yet paypal still sided with the buyer even after I pointed out that the buyer had just been banned from their parent company ebay for gaining lots of negative feedback in the few days after i sold him the goods with the comments stating scammer. They werent remotely interested in this evidence, all they cared about whether or not the buyer had signed for the goods and they didnt have a signature so they refunded him and I'm a grand and a half worth of goods out of pocket. I have since found out from a Chinese friend that this is quite a popular sport over in China as their mail system is not as robust as our own and signatures are rarely collected, thus opening the gates for non delivery scamming. Needless to say I no longer send stuff to china and no longer accept large payments via paypal.

Paypal don't care. They're owned by ebay and it doesn't bother either of them as they've taken their cut of the money at every step.