I don't know much about how businesses are run, but couldn't Intel just buy AMD? There would probable be laws preventing Intel from monopolizing the CPU market but I am sure they could figurer some thing out.

If they brought out the ultimate chip(set/gfx card/etc) people would buy it. That's their problem at the moment...they can't bring one out. Or one that works at least

Does Intel have a good VGA card? Nope....
AMD does, it's called ATI....
But they only look the CPU and Chips....
Does AMD have a chipset? No...just IO/chips...
Intel needs chipsets, can't even run a single CPU without.

AMD is on the right track, even when others don't see it.

4 cores, I run 4 cores for more then a year now, nothing special.
Run them in a single chip is stupid, but hey, most people are stupid as they believe 4 core in 1 chip is the best solution *NOT*

Type ULTIMATE bull**** & INQ Will PRINT IT.

[There here follows a diatribe which we've cut. Just to show we won't print everything, despite what some of you lot think. {Can't we stop these people from reading the INQ?} [No. Ed.]


JUST POOP OUT ULTIMATE S*** & FLOAT.

Toasty s von Toasty

You cannot leap if you have no legs.

AMD have got into the habit of looking around the corner for a saviour technology and not focussing on the present as their startpoint. They lost their brief lead over Intel and the best thing they can do is face up to reality. 

Instead we have seen a run of exaggerated future-product claims that totally misrepresent the reality that AMD finds itself in. Shareholders & end users alike are not fooled more than once by that kind of thing. One cannot help wondering if AMD people are trying so hard to fool everyone else they are fooling themselves and losing their way in the process.

That is why I say in all honesty, I dont think a die shrink will help much.

But despite their small size they do have some very marketable products which (when fixed) can compete in the PC & other markets in mid and low range (which is where the volume is) on a bang for buck basis. They have no choice but to surrender the crown, go for volume and forget the bravado. If they do this properly, as opposed to fantasy roleplay, there is a good living that can be made there IMHO.

I think a takeover would be troubled for two reasons. One it would provide cash and excuses to allow them to perpetuate their escapist narcissistic fantasies and secondly it would (should) disturb the internal organisation all over again. But the latter might be a good thing if a sufficiently determined and down to earth company came along. With AMD management defeated, deflated and delusional, my hunch is that takeover is not unthinkable now, as it would have been say 3 years ago.

Mark my words. Samsung will buy AMD within the next year.

If I remember right, 1 year ago or so, people on this site were being oh so snooty pointing to the fact that the cost of an AMD share had surpased the price of and Intel share... Oh how times change....

When AMD bought ATI, ATI's market cap was like $3.8 billion, and AMD's was $12.

That means, in an ideal world, their combined should be $15 billion plus growth.

Except they are $5.

Whoops!

I wish I had a dollar for every merger thats failed to deliver lately. I wonder who the sharks are this time around. Amazing how AMD has gone from hero to zero in such a short period of time.

Nonsense. 99% of the PC-buying public have never even heard of the benchmarks. AMD needs to be competitive on _price_ in order to regain market share. Unfortunately they seem to have called off the price war with Intel, so it could be curtains for them.

Competition had better heat up again real quick because this place is running out of things to print

If AMD/ATI Announced ULTIMATE Chipset that is 100% GOOD, then it would give EM BIG LEAD On Sales. I think thats how they sell processors you know, game cards too. 
JUST PRESS OUT ULTIMATE STUFF & SWIM.
thomas s. von drashek

... is going to be the price difference in Intel vs. AMD CPUs if this keeps up...

AMD's valuation is now less than the price they paid for ATI. Why isn't there more radical changes going on at AMD? Hector and Dirk have to consider some serious changes, or maybe it's an issue for AMD's Board of Directors should be taking up.

Making one of their fabrication plants 45nm would cost them around $2... That's almost half of their estimated value. I don't think that's something for them to consider right now. :P

AMD better get to 45nm in a hurry with their new Phenom and Barcelona chips. It's all about benchmark scores and how much you gotta pay to get those scores. Fix them erraters too!

Chimpzilla is sure getting a beat down from Chipzilla these days. It's hard to watch ... like watching wild animals on the Discovery Channel or something ... gruesome.

Sanders once said that "real men have fabs". He needs to keep reminding Ruiz and the engineers that "size matters".

In order for Chimpzilla to getter bigger and take on Chipzilla they need to GET SMALL. 

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With debts bigger than their valuation, AMD look about as healthy as a one lunged chain smoker.

Well how about that a nice round binary number, 32 (i.e. 2^5). These computeristas like doing everything in binary don't they? AMD just needs to double 5 times and it's there.

Samsung!

Now that would give some competition to the might of Intel. Maybe then we could all get access to the top of the range CPU's rather than Intel charging what they like.

5 billion eh. Sounds like a good deal. Now they just need a buyer.