Re: Old vs New can't attract wheren there's no money.
"If you're a quality enginee you're likely looking to intel, not nV for your next job"

It's actually the other way around. Working at Intel is a very bad idea unless your mediocre.

Here is why: good engineers get stock options and other benefits tied to the stock, working for a company like Intel you get negligible benefits out the stock. At a company like NVIDIA with a smaller market cap and a much more volatile stock it's not hard for a normal engineer to get > 200000 a year if timed correctly. Working at a company like Intel, that would never happen. 

On top of that, Intel is such a large beast, much more political than most smaller companies and down right depressing to work for.
Is this a question of sport? 
Don't look at me_
I'm going to be on the sick...

"These eyes
The hurtin's on me
And I will never be free, no"

Doctor Spinola, my eyes
"Tell me what is wrong
Was I unwise to leave them open for so long?
People go just where they will
...
That its later than it seems
Doctor, my eyes
Tell me what you see
I hear their cries"
And some of them sound so mean

The kids are alright: Ruby, Hector, Jen and Otellini.
But the rest of this lot is waking the dead. GB? Is he a Bee Gees fan?

I'm sure Alan Sugar and the Beeb can find an apprentice and the career opportunity of a lifetime working for Hector AMD gfx.

Pounds to Pesos, you bet your stake.
Even While Cutting old Chord Out, Tra La Style, AMD most Certainly Must be Snooping for Anyone with PHYSX Experience & Recent Kill Button installed.

It'd SAVE ton O' money To Grab ONE, So Keep Your Eyes Open, Don't Kill it Yet, All that NEW Finalized NT5 Stuff for Open Programable memory from Open GL (Created name: AOpen as complete lineof Desktops that Actually WON Ultimate Sweepstakes, as it turned out) to Todays GL.Getting Nvidias Physics cann't be wrong.

Signs: People Whom Seem To Know Something, NOW With mikes New HUB Base for HQ, Keep Em there & Cough Up Info, Bub. AMD Is hiring, its just question of Whom You Maybee.
Stewie drashek
Unfortunately AMD's CPU problems are stangling the finances for R&D for ATi.

As an engineer would you prefer to work on nV's old hardware with old ideas, or ATi's new tech (new DX, new memory designs, new media processing, etc.) or nV's stuck in the past? 

AMD's problem isn't the tech or their products (which unlike the tools thing, may not be the top performer, but are still solid values and sell well [and don't have the yield problems ofthe G92]), AMD's biggest problem is that they will never retain engineers when they are tightening the belt. 
To save themselves AMD need to spend money on R&D and stop wasting it on advertising in NASCAR (who thought that was a good tech play?). Advertising underperforming products doesn't help, designing efficient mid-range products would generate exponentailly more money than winning the eWang competition for the boutique overpriced cards.

It's nice to be king of the hill, but it the low and mid range that make all the money. AMD keeps hammering away at that market share and then they should have the money for more R&D. The past of using the high end to test features to be brought to the low end may be over, and if I were looking to jump ship from AMD/ATi I certainly wouldn't be tying my hopes to the sinking nV ship while they try to convince people that GPUs are the way of the future while running their presentation on X86/A64 rigs. If you're a quality enginee you're likely looking to intel, not nV for your next job. Only those stuck in the raster-limited past would feel the need to move to nV as the keeper of the old guard methods. Those looking to be the very cutting edge would look to open their options not close them.
Never see a chip company bounce back after the great fall. The biggest problem is losing talent and that causes product delay and then it loses more talent. It’s a bad spiral no technology company can get out. IP is nothing once the talents who design the IP are gone and they will leave in a heart beat, either to join a better company or start their own.
Long Gone are Times of GL Introduction, first GL IDE, improvement of which there just couldn't be enough. So in third Milleniums' Birth: Open GL, which leads to Today. Fusion was Nvidia Product that seems to have migrated to Ati.

First getting Vista ultimate Store Item might help Define Next GPU Advances.Or hide Underneath Charles Desk & Sell Pirate XP Discs?

Obviously Open GL, with its improvements throughout mainboard have Won & ATI has accepted that. It Took that change Nearly Decade for engineering to take place.Meaning stepping up Now is from Best position. 
Somehow in ferment of 100/150/200/300 & integrated developement HOT TOP End Cars with Pleased as Punch Ultimate Smile will appear.

Phophets get away with it By Taking Very Long NAPS Between Reincorporations.
drashek
If you are going to spew hate, at least try to be accurate. Your hate is blinding you. Please, try reading the byline. Charlie did not write this article. It was written by Nebojsa.

Best regards,
Daniel R.
Now listening to my story of a guy name nVidia 3 Teraflops but WE all know it's really nothing more then Tri Sli,.. 

A poor moderately Dow low,..

...And ATi barely can keep it's engineers team for being canned,..

Then one day DammiT was looking at tha next 2-3 gens CPGPU or GPGPU,..

And up through the years came a moniker' SRM6 (ATi GPGPU SpeedRacerMark6).

3Gens GPGPu that is, black gold, A Green Tea Partay!,...

Well the first thing you know ol' AMD a 
profiteers, 

Jen Hsun Huang's said ATi move away from there,..

Jen Said 3 Tri Sli speedup is the place you ought to be!,..

So ATi AMD (DaMMiT) loaded up the engineers and moved to A Flexible Kernel for Adaptive tha Next Gens GP+GPU,..

Without any preprocessing or additional topology data structure, that is,..

Refinement engine pools, Quantum starrs,..

The ATi & AMD DaMMiTies!,..

DaMMiT that is. Set a spell. Take your shoes off. Y'all Bishes Better Buy are Newer Shyt Now, y'hear?!?
and it probably means the end of this company, longer term.

Sure, AMD can integrate their latest high end graphics part, and it will be entry level performance by the time it comes out. Then what?

AMD's purchase of ATI, and the consequential financial issues that resulted, timed on the back of a poor CPU execution has made a formidable competitor weak.

Hector's brilliant plan to integrate graphics has demotivated the entire graphics group at the former ATI and we're seeing the results today in this exodus. Can't really blame them. And you have to wonder how many of them, with their specialized training and not a lot of employment options, are ending up on nVidia's door step.

Asset light, split the company, blah blah blah. AMD is done -- by the incredible mis-management of Hector's own hand. They tried to do too many things off the back of K7's success and have overextended themselves across multiple areas. AMD will be around to help Intel drive the x86 into full commodity (cheap) mode. Then what? buh-bye
"Are they saying "Daamit, I had enough of this""
--- Charlie Demerjian : THE DAAMIT SALESMAN

"I happen to quite like the current batch of ATI GPUs - while they may not be the highest performers, they are pretty fast still for comparatively low power consumption and, of course, price."
--- Does it mean that you like a product that offers lesser than what you have paid for?
Is it practical, in a multicore CPU, for some of the cores to be CPUs and others to be GPUs? A quad core with two of each type would be ideal for most mid-range computers. AMD, with ATI in-house, seems perfectly placed to do this.
You have a much too short-term view of processor development. It takes four years to develop a CPU, somewhat less for a GPU, but not much less (if you don't count shrinks and minor updates that happen every year). 

A brain drain now will not affect R700, probably not R800, but somewhere after that it starts to show (and according to an earlier article by theinq, even the specification of R900 was closed by last fall). And you can't help the situation by hiring more engineers a couple of years down the line. The work of those engineers would start showing up only after several years.

There is too much criticism of CPU and GPU companies for not reacting fast enough to the performance advantage of their competitors. You have to understand the time scales, and even the company that has the advantage keeps moving forward.
Look, we all know mr.salesman gets hurt whenever we say something to the all-so-divine Hector.
"If you're a quality enginee you're likely looking to intel, not nV for your next job"

It's actually the other way around. Working at Intel is a very bad idea unless your mediocre.

Here is why: good engineers get stock options and other benefits tied to the stock, working for a company like Intel you get negligible benefits out the stock. At a company like NVIDIA with a smaller market cap and a much more volatile stock it's not hard for a normal engineer to get > 200000 a year if timed correctly. Working at a company like Intel, that would never happen. 

On top of that, Intel is such a large beast, much more political than most smaller companies and down right depressing to work for.
Is this a question of sport? 
Don't look at me_
I'm going to be on the sick...

"These eyes
The hurtin's on me
And I will never be free, no"

Doctor Spinola, my eyes
"Tell me what is wrong
Was I unwise to leave them open for so long?
People go just where they will
...
That its later than it seems
Doctor, my eyes
Tell me what you see
I hear their cries"
And some of them sound so mean

The kids are alright: Ruby, Hector, Jen and Otellini.
But the rest of this lot is waking the dead. GB? Is he a Bee Gees fan?

I'm sure Alan Sugar and the Beeb can find an apprentice and the career opportunity of a lifetime working for Hector AMD gfx.

Pounds to Pesos, you bet your stake.
Even While Cutting old Chord Out, Tra La Style, AMD most Certainly Must be Snooping for Anyone with PHYSX Experience & Recent Kill Button installed.

It'd SAVE ton O' money To Grab ONE, So Keep Your Eyes Open, Don't Kill it Yet, All that NEW Finalized NT5 Stuff for Open Programable memory from Open GL (Created name: AOpen as complete lineof Desktops that Actually WON Ultimate Sweepstakes, as it turned out) to Todays GL.Getting Nvidias Physics cann't be wrong.

Signs: People Whom Seem To Know Something, NOW With mikes New HUB Base for HQ, Keep Em there & Cough Up Info, Bub. AMD Is hiring, its just question of Whom You Maybee.
Stewie drashek
Unfortunately AMD's CPU problems are stangling the finances for R&D for ATi.

As an engineer would you prefer to work on nV's old hardware with old ideas, or ATi's new tech (new DX, new memory designs, new media processing, etc.) or nV's stuck in the past? 

AMD's problem isn't the tech or their products (which unlike the tools thing, may not be the top performer, but are still solid values and sell well [and don't have the yield problems ofthe G92]), AMD's biggest problem is that they will never retain engineers when they are tightening the belt. 
To save themselves AMD need to spend money on R&D and stop wasting it on advertising in NASCAR (who thought that was a good tech play?). Advertising underperforming products doesn't help, designing efficient mid-range products would generate exponentailly more money than winning the eWang competition for the boutique overpriced cards.

It's nice to be king of the hill, but it the low and mid range that make all the money. AMD keeps hammering away at that market share and then they should have the money for more R&D. The past of using the high end to test features to be brought to the low end may be over, and if I were looking to jump ship from AMD/ATi I certainly wouldn't be tying my hopes to the sinking nV ship while they try to convince people that GPUs are the way of the future while running their presentation on X86/A64 rigs. If you're a quality enginee you're likely looking to intel, not nV for your next job. Only those stuck in the raster-limited past would feel the need to move to nV as the keeper of the old guard methods. Those looking to be the very cutting edge would look to open their options not close them.
<strong>It suppose to be Intel</strong>
<br></br>
AMD eggs on NVIDIA's war
Never see a chip company bounce back after the great fall. The biggest problem is losing talent and that causes product delay and then it loses more talent. It’s a bad spiral no technology company can get out. IP is nothing once the talents who design the IP are gone and they will leave in a heart beat, either to join a better company or start their own.
Long Gone are Times of GL Introduction, first GL IDE, improvement of which there just couldn't be enough. So in third Milleniums' Birth: Open GL, which leads to Today. Fusion was Nvidia Product that seems to have migrated to Ati.

First getting Vista ultimate Store Item might help Define Next GPU Advances.Or hide Underneath Charles Desk & Sell Pirate XP Discs?

Obviously Open GL, with its improvements throughout mainboard have Won & ATI has accepted that. It Took that change Nearly Decade for engineering to take place.Meaning stepping up Now is from Best position. 
Somehow in ferment of 100/150/200/300 & integrated developement HOT TOP End Cars with Pleased as Punch Ultimate Smile will appear.

Phophets get away with it By Taking Very Long NAPS Between Reincorporations.
drashek
If you are going to spew hate, at least try to be accurate. Your hate is blinding you. Please, try reading the byline. Charlie did not write this article. It was written by Nebojsa.

Best regards,
Daniel R.
Now listening to my story of a guy name nVidia 3 Teraflops but WE all know it's really nothing more then Tri Sli,.. 

A poor moderately Dow low,..

...And ATi barely can keep it's engineers team for being canned,..

Then one day DammiT was looking at tha next 2-3 gens CPGPU or GPGPU,..

And up through the years came a moniker' SRM6 (ATi GPGPU SpeedRacerMark6).

3Gens GPGPu that is, black gold, A Green Tea Partay!,...

Well the first thing you know ol' AMD a 
profiteers, 

Jen Hsun Huang's said ATi move away from there,..

Jen Said 3 Tri Sli speedup is the place you ought to be!,..

So ATi AMD (DaMMiT) loaded up the engineers and moved to A Flexible Kernel for Adaptive tha Next Gens GP+GPU,..

Without any preprocessing or additional topology data structure, that is,..

Refinement engine pools, Quantum starrs,..

The ATi & AMD DaMMiTies!,..

DaMMiT that is. Set a spell. Take your shoes off. Y'all Bishes Better Buy are Newer Shyt Now, y'hear?!?
and it probably means the end of this company, longer term.

Sure, AMD can integrate their latest high end graphics part, and it will be entry level performance by the time it comes out. Then what?

AMD's purchase of ATI, and the consequential financial issues that resulted, timed on the back of a poor CPU execution has made a formidable competitor weak.

Hector's brilliant plan to integrate graphics has demotivated the entire graphics group at the former ATI and we're seeing the results today in this exodus. Can't really blame them. And you have to wonder how many of them, with their specialized training and not a lot of employment options, are ending up on nVidia's door step.

Asset light, split the company, blah blah blah. AMD is done -- by the incredible mis-management of Hector's own hand. They tried to do too many things off the back of K7's success and have overextended themselves across multiple areas. AMD will be around to help Intel drive the x86 into full commodity (cheap) mode. Then what? buh-bye
"Are they saying "Daamit, I had enough of this""
--- Charlie Demerjian : THE DAAMIT SALESMAN

"I happen to quite like the current batch of ATI GPUs - while they may not be the highest performers, they are pretty fast still for comparatively low power consumption and, of course, price."
--- Does it mean that you like a product that offers lesser than what you have paid for?
Is it practical, in a multicore CPU, for some of the cores to be CPUs and others to be GPUs? A quad core with two of each type would be ideal for most mid-range computers. AMD, with ATI in-house, seems perfectly placed to do this.
You have a much too short-term view of processor development. It takes four years to develop a CPU, somewhat less for a GPU, but not much less (if you don't count shrinks and minor updates that happen every year). 

A brain drain now will not affect R700, probably not R800, but somewhere after that it starts to show (and according to an earlier article by theinq, even the specification of R900 was closed by last fall). And you can't help the situation by hiring more engineers a couple of years down the line. The work of those engineers would start showing up only after several years.

There is too much criticism of CPU and GPU companies for not reacting fast enough to the performance advantage of their competitors. You have to understand the time scales, and even the company that has the advantage keeps moving forward.