...AMD Motherboard-wise, its obvious now that the AMD chipset guys (790FX, ...), and the AMD (multicore)GPU guys are way ahead of the AMD CPU guys. so I guess its just a matter of time before the Phenom's catch-up.

Do these use HT3? Because if it was used to its maximum spec of 2.6GHz they'd be in the embarrassing position of having the bus faster than the CPU clock...

I agree with the first two posters. Even though the War of the Megahertz is losing steam, we need, or more specifically, AMD needs to pump it up. I've been running 2.2ghz in my computers for a couple years now and I require a dramatic increase in speed/per $ to justify an upgrade. Extra cores only go so far, and multi threaded apps are still not as common as they ought to be. 

As much as I like reading about overclocking, (of which feats I find awesome like the 4ghz 5000+), and the kind of cooling I put in a system supports it, I don't do it, I want lots of speed at factory settings. The extra cooling is just for increased stability and lifetime of my investment. AMD would do well to finally keep that 3ghz barrier cleared and put 2ghz to rest on Semprons.

I'd believe the spiel about " a massive profit earner like Intel's new high end entries at $ 1K price bracket" if we saw that miraculously the high end chips sold in "massive" unit volumes!
heh heh....mathematics....tends to trip up imaginative stuff.

Why are you guys complaining about low clocks when it's obvious that K10 has much more power/clock than K8 and possibly more than Core 2?

I was originally going to build with an AMD Quad core.. but ended up with a 6000+ (AM2 @ 3.0 Ghz).. this some months ago.

It doesn't feel right to *upgrade* to a lower clocked part.. so ill probably wait it out until some atleast 3.4 Ghz Quad or Tri cores turn up.. but with the slow pace AMD is going at this seems like Ill probably have to wait for an AM3 part.

This is getting a little out of hand. AMD has just kept pushing back deadlines for their products, and doesn't really seem to care that they're falling so far behind in the clock or die-size race. AMD quality is still there, it's just really slow-going.

I too bought an X2 6000+ about 3 months ago. The whole AM2+ platform was supposed to be out by then, according to their roadmap from last year around this time.

I dunno, I've been an AMD fanboy since the T-Birds came out. Hopefully the 790FX chipset and the Phenoms don't fail to impress, or I'll be looking elsewhere (lol maybe VIA and their "green" processor)