You can clearly spot nvidia fans by what they say. Instead of commenting about nvidia's failure on attacking Intel, and constant lying at their customers, they have to attack Intel.
If you haven't noticed, this article is meant to attack nVidia, not to defend Intel. You can say a company sucks as much as you wish, but 1 thing is a word, a different one is an evidence. And the author supplied lots, while nvidia fans crying on these comments shown none. Just the usual blah blah lol.

My suggestion, get a life dudes :)

By the looks of many of the comments above, some of you are missing the point.

The article is not about who started what, or whether Intel graphics are currently crap (which everybody knows and is alluded to several times in the article) but that NVidia are being intentionally dishonest, they are deliberately undermining a competitors position by perpetrating false information to sales partners and ultimately the general public.

They could have produced an article nearly as damning as the above, using factually correct information and it would have been fair game in the NVidia / Intel war of words, but the fact that they are trying to mislead the public and have used dubious sources of information to do so puts them very much in the wrong.

Thanks to Charlie for highlighting this; I for one very much hope Intel are able to pursue such blatant disrespect and dishonesty through the courts.

Before anybody calls me a fanboy of some kind, I have a 9800GTX and am currently very happy with it.

You know you say ethics, ethics is not selling crap that doesn't work. Ethics is not overstating your product so people buy it and then realize it doesn't work for them. Yeah intel CPU's are at the top of their market but there is no way that AMD/ATI and NVidia will allow for Intel to take over the GPU market as well. And I dont think the FCC will either, there is a compromise that will be needed if and only if Intel's GPU is as great as Intel believes it will be. In the end I either see NVidia and ATI continuing as a front runner on GPU technologies or I see ATI taking over the top of the GPU market, which would be huge for AMD. But no matter the outcome there is a lot of time for Intel to realize they have failed....

Well,

A suitable recourse for the last slide is, as Nvidia are a bunch of c**ts they assume very one else is a complete c**k.


P...

it is not just weather games can run correctly on intel g33/35 or not, it is how they run, and they run bad (as expected of most IGPs), and for the same money they run better on nvidia, and they have run without problems (90% of them) from the start, while intel needed to fix drivers etc. nvidia's bloating may be sleazy but it is somewhat in order. What is more sleazy is intel telling customers that they can actually run games on g33/g35 so people buy intel platform with IGP and then come on forums to ask how come the games don't run or don't run properly. Author of the article assumes that people know that g33/35 isn't enough for games when in fact very small number of them do. Sure, I know, most of you here reading this know, but 99% of us won't buy and rely on IGP for gaming. Intel assumes that customers don't know this so they can sell more. Shame on them :) They state "Vista ready" supoports directX etc.so customer looks at the COD4 box and sees that he meets minimum req. for playing the game, and he is if you ask intel. God help us all if Larrabe prevails against discrete graphics solutions...

I was hoping someone would comment on why Nvidia is doing this... I am surprise no one has brought this up yet. OK, this is what I think is going on:

Out of the threee (Nvidia, AMD/ATI and Intel) Nvidia has the most to lose if rendering images with CPU (or a fusion of CPU - GPU) takes off. Their long time arch-rival competitor ATI (AMD) has the most to gain. Nvidia cannot allow this. Nvidia has to kill now any concept of having cores of CPU be involved in rendering images. On the opposite side Intel is pushing this concept mainly by being involved in this new graphic rendering called ray tracing. Ray Tracing is 100% scalable as opposite to the Nvidia - ATI technique of rasterization which is 20% to 70% depending on driver and game so let's say an average of 50%. There is debate right now in the graphics world of the merit of ray tracing, John Carmack recently said in an interview (see http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/03/14/john_carmack_talks_ray-tracing_pc_gaming/1) that a combination of both is most likely to emerge. I beleive this push by Intel for rendering images by ray tracing alone will not happen (will happen only if there are other players involved so that there is some competition) and keeping the current rendering terchnique of rasterization when multiple-cores are so accessible (cheap) will inhibit the potential explosion of visual computing. All what Nvidia is doing right now is bringing more attention to this subject by taking the approach they did, they are probably better off just to ignore Intel's upcoming Larrabee chip.

But yet again, ignoring may not be a good idea, take GM's Chairman Bob Lutz for example, in a public statement 2-3 years ago on Toyota's Prius: "Hybrid's are an interesting curiousity". There approach at the time (and still may be today, no launch date for the Volt yet) was to ignore this new concept - It will go away... not !

I believe that page changed this week, likely in just the last day or two, as I had seen the one with Intel at the top of the bullet list very very recently.

People buy PC's for 2-4 years use. If they don't get a discrete GPU, they are stuck with whatever IGP is onboard. I've found ATI 690G, 690V and 780G IGP's capable. I found Nvidia's 9100 capable too. They can run Vista without a discrete GPU. I even found ATI's X200 quite good in it's generation.

I've never found Intel IGP's up to par. If the average person buys a budget PC and hope that an Intel IGP will do the job for Vista or casual gaming, they'll be disappointed. They won't be disappointed with Nvidia and ATI IGP's.

Serious gamers buy GPU's from Nvidia and ATI. The rest rely on IGP's. Though I do not like Nvidia's tactics here, the truth is that Intel makes great CPU's but lousy IGP's. 

Let's hope they can make decent GPU's and enable something as innovative as hybrid Crossfire and hybrid SLI with low end GPU's and their as yet not very wonderful integrated graphics.

This fight was impossible to avoid. Most game developer are very tired of Intels way of selling graphics. They call in Intel Integrated Craphics.

But the problem is actually a lot bigger than this. A lot of companies actually can't use 3d software because they have PC's with Intel IGP.

Ok so Nvidia is a dirty filthy sleaze, but we can't loose site of the fact they are essientially right? Intels intergrated graphics are still rubbish and you have to wonder if they walked into it by overstating the claims of their graphics chipsets. I seriously doubt their on-cpu graphics will be any good, which will lead to more of this kind of muck from Nvidia.

Speaking of bogging in mud, the SUV vs Car analogy is not the best - crafty bastards (such as myself) suprise many by how far one can take a road car off road with a few tricks. Infact running a road car (ie $300 junkheap) through a mud bog is more fun than a SUV, although if any of you want to lend me a cayenne/touareg let me know... i could have some fun with that.

In the same way it's amazing what you can get running playable with IG and low-end discrete graphics, or even just a out-of-date high end card. People in forums will tell you can't enjoy Crysis on a Radeon X1300, but I've seen it done..

This is why I do not buy Nvidia cards for the computers I build for People. 
To many times in the past it has been found that they could not do what the said. 
It is just not worth using a company that you can not trust with what they say or do.

...Crap. Feel like ripping the Go7600 out of my notebook and tossing it out the window. Can't believe it. It would be one thing for the author to take offense to it, but be purely opinionated. Its another for nVidia to try and dodge the truth when asked about the very slides, making the entire article purely fact instead. Complete lack of class, and I'd love to see a follow up on this article if anything new appears. Got a great PR spin for this one green team?

Nvidia is about to Embark on thrilling New Era, with built in PhysX. You wonder, well First test show Vista frame Rates move from 15 fps to mere 300 fps with Models expected in next few months. Nvidia is Design, NO great Friends, if You Want it, Drag Nvidias Line & Understand, Larrabee, Puke,Puke&Barf, is 2D, same as 1957 Cobol, Won't be out till 2010 in most recent Intel Press release, & Is kiddie Game Stuff that Bashes Your CPU to Death.While Lovely 100/200/300 New Nvidia is serious (near Flawless) marriage to Ultie_Tom, as potential Utlimate Built in start Point Chipsets, ?Ultie only..

You be judge, each just same, HELL NO, Nvidias' Got D' NUTCRACKER, first Go Figure:.DRASIL #1, Nvidia Sole Owner.

You can play XP on any level system Chipset & it will stagger, Clinch & Moon You. Theres Just NOT Enough XP There. SP3 RC isn't much help if it won't even reboot system again. Small crocadile tear shed.

So while world awaits Chipset with real Crunch Power,Capt. Think Nvidia, Nvidia, Nvidia.
Thomas von Drashek


I have always been a huge fan of both Intel's CPUs and nVidia's GPUs, but have have to agree with yall that nVidia has gone way over the line. When we talk about Vista.....what hardaware company hasnt had any problems with it, also why hasnt nVidia talked about their lack in the mobile PC market...I have a laptop with the nVidia 7900 GTX PCIE card in it......system is running XP Pro......the card does not perform as one would expect, Now my system is a high end system custom built Hypersonic....costing over 4 grand. Untill a week ago I belive nVidia finaly put out a uodated driver, its a BETA driver still but before that driver the last driver was released back in July of 2005.

If Intel can come out with a grphics chip that can outperform or even do as well as nVidia or ATI...I would go with it...maybe thats why nVidia is talking trash...they afraid to loose customers .......well nVidia...you are just gonna have to work harder and come out with something better if ya dont want that to happen.

Its a win win situation for us hardcore gamers when company's battle and work to improve on drivers for older cards and build new cards that work better......but as far as I am concerned...the Mobile 7000 series cards from nVidia are flops...makes me scared to try any other laptop cards from nVidia.

To finish I will add that I am very disapointed with nVidia and they have lost a good deal of my respect. So nVidia stop cryin and whining...and get back to work on improving your drivers and cards and let Intel do the same.......if yall get into a war...well ATI and AMD mat just come up and take the lead from both Intel and nVidia....anyone remember who was leading the pack back before 2004........Even then I was still faithfull to both Intel and nVidia. So with all that said.....Dont push your luck nVidia......get back to work.

Title says it all.

Both of them should just F off and die.

In the desktop I have an 8800GTS OC2 from BFG, and in the laptop it runs Intel integrated 945 graphics.
I can tell you for sure, the nVidia equipped machine is capable of running more games at acceptable frame rates.
However, they both play Spaceward Ho! 4.0.5 equally well. So maybe it's a wash.

No other site is willing to call companies out on stuff like this.

Don't forget that to make an omelette you need to break some eggs!!

I see nVidia are keen to point out "only" 10% of today's games have issues, I bet that was after they spent hours swapping drivers around to find one that worked with a particular game.

Besides that, what about yesterday's games? I've got quite a few games that just don't run well or at all under nVidia's latest drivers. I'd be more impressed if they spent some time making sure they don't break old games while they're busy putting out drivers optimised for the big new releases.

I've got no love for Intel's weedy graphics hardware for gaming either, but if nVidia are going to call the kettle black it's good to see them being reminded they're the pot.

Excellent reporting, bravo.

let's not forget who is starting this. 

Intel has been a sleeping giant that just realized that nvidia is eating away from it's core business using the gpu's that are now programmable for any parallel task. And 10-100x faster. 

intel is scared like hell about this for good reason.

But instead of approaching it fair, they started bad-mouthing nvidia and nvidia's business.

they are playing their infamous 100000 pound gorilla tactic and hell yes, nvidia should be upset and frustrated. The market reacts as if this is Intel-AMD all over again so who would not be upset by this?

this pdf may have some gray area's but lets not forget the pitch dark area's Intel has been working from that started all this. 

their is a big difference between someone doing this while on the defense and someone who is on the offense. Intel shame on you.

Did someone wii in your wheaties again this morning? You have such and agenda against this company it isn't even funny. 

What is comical is why you are so surprised when Jensen clearly indicated he was going right after Intel. This presentation is nothing different than goes on at any other high tech company, but you blow it up like it's a whole new diabolical tactic. Lets call a spade a spade, this was just another chance for Charlie to show the world how wronged he's been by the evil NVIDIA.

Grow up rant-master.

All I hear is you whining, Intel wanted to start a fight and it got one, you own intel stock or something? Intel will blow the deal by being its usual bureacratic/structured self trying to compete with a dynamic(as you see they can change pr tactics) and proven leader in the graphics market. Don't complain cause Nvidia is going to make intel pay for trying to steal their market share and customers. Its business, and if you send the managements stock down to 17 where it is now, then look out cause the battle begins. My money is on Nvidia, intel will have to accept defeat by buying Nvidia out(competition bureau won't let it happen though). You just showed me in your article with all this talk of drivers etc that intel released a pile of junk full of bugs, you didn't say one positive thing in my mind for them. They are a dollar short and about 5 years to late with the budget/strategy, stop spreading excuses for intel by saying hey thats not fair nvidia is calling me names. Intel threw the first punch i the schoolyard, point that out in your future articles. Nvidia should just stay positive on their own stuff and not say a word about their "new competitor" hardly point them out for what they are, a subserviant gpu that is way behind the norm. Wait for nvidia to get rid of the old inventory(7 series) at rock bottom prices to keep the blue giant at bay with their less than stellar product, and less than professional release of a buggy lemon(just like ea games bf2 etc that were released too early and gave users nothing but a sour taste in their mouth).

panic?

This is typical Nvidia behaviour, i remember them getting caught cheating in 3DMark with their Geforce 5 (replacing textures). Also the "shimmering" Geforce 6 texture quality problem. It's ironic that they are complaining about Intel's DX10 capability when they released non-DX10 Vista drivers for their DX10 - advertised cards.

How long has Intel been writing for Inq?

NVIDIA is not new to these types of "Sales emails". Back in 2001 graphics cards based on the STM built Kyro and Kyro2 cards were selling like hotcakes. A similar "Sales email" was distributed on the interweb telling how bad of a decision it would be to use Kyro series would be bad because of some incompatibilities with the chipset and comes from a "unproven" team.