so i got this new File Encryption software called nokVAULT, no joke it totally hides all my music and movies that I encrypt. Apparently my windows operating system doesnt even detect them when I close my vault. So it really doesnt matter who the heck checks my laptop and when because all my files are invisible. Only i know they are there, no one will ever know what I hide in my laptop. 
Kewl.

What a bunch of hypocrites. If it were your intellectual property - you'd be whining and crying FOR the police to do something. Theres no new laws here, just an ENFORCEMENT that could have taken place a long time ago and got us all used to stealing property that doesnt belong to us.

Stop whining, and stop thieving music and you'll have nothing to worry about.

When was the last time it was ok for you not to get paid for your lifes work?
Proposed by the USA? WTF? Just another indication that the Mafia and their undead army of corrupt lawyers has taken over that once glorious country. What a shame.
> ISPs will be forced to hand over personal information on any alleged copyright infringers without any actual proof being needed.

This is why you should never pay for Internet access.
This would certainly help organised crime, instead of people buying a CD on vacation in asia and such they'll have to buy it on the street from an official tied-in criminal that's part of the mob if they want it cheap or if they don't want to support the largest gang of scammers AKA media companies.
Wonderful (assuming you are in said mob).
Incidentally, when people hum a song they use breathing air, should the air not be DRM'ed and licensed?
If only there was a way to stop this.

Something like organizing a protest where a crowd of girls rip off their tops to reveal the words "NO, YOU CAN'T SEARCH MY SOFTWARE, ACTA!" painted across the top halves of their "chest areas"... 

Naw, that probably wouldn't work.

Well, maybe...
This is about the state having the ability to search your electronics at any time for any reason under the guise of looking for MP3's

That it makes the RIAA Happy is a bonus.
For those who do not know, the song, "The Marching Song of the Covert Battalions", comes from Billy Bragg's 1990 album, "The Internationale". If you agree with the song's lyrics, then left-wing politics (those who strongly favor egalitarianism, progressive social policy, and multiculturalism) may be more to your liking than right-wing politics (those who strongly favor the maintenance of traditionally selected leaders, protection of traditional institutions from government regulation, and the promotion of one culture as superior to all others).
i'm not an expert or anything, nor have i taken the time or concern to figure out any other method... but it seems like they could go at it from their end rather than our end. they made blank cassette tapes for both music and vhs, and this was lawful. we used these products to record information in many different ways. then everything went digital. come on, guys, this is ur business model, it fails and u attack ur customer? pft

thankfully, i'm not really a big media (music or movie) fan. mostly propaganda for this group's plight or that person's goal, anyway.

btw, we should all learn something from everything, be it fiction (fairy-tale) or non-fiction.

ewe people
Fly Jefferson Airplane, but send your ABBA by Cab; Thiefrow baggage handlers will no doubt divert your luggage to Bengaluru whilst Bangalore was clearly your predestination. Never specify Bangor due to disambiguation.
When in Rome, do as Genesis. You have a Roma Pass to try and collect on that pint that Phil Collins owes you.

That's no music in me caravan, it's just starting to hum because I got a lump of sumtang carbon credit for a second home. Like all those G8 MP3s on 45s, I call them B-sides; it was put up or shut up, mine would NOT shush, and now we got to put our money where his mouth was. Next time I holiday, I'm flying on a Virgin.

"I try to sleep, they're wide awake, they wont leave me alone.
They dont get paid to take vacations, or let me alone.
They spy on me, I try to hide, they won't let me alone.
They persecute me, they're the judge and jury all in one"

I have just the plunder you're in search to get your excise, agent Snarky. It's by an artist I'm sure will be pleased to get his come uppence, named Ben Dover. That may be Sir Ben Dover to you; he's been knighted I think.

No offence intended.
If this really is being considered, it's very scary and needs stopping. Surely these highly paid bureaucrats can think of more productive uses of their time than tagging more unnecessary legislation onto the overflowing legislatory wastebasket, which desperately needs overhauling and rethinking anyway?!
I can't wait to see how entertaining the news is going to be when they start to throw even more people into America's prison system... Ha ha! for having unauthorized music? (too funny)

I really do hope we get some new reality TV shows... something along the lines of "I used to be middle class, now I take it in the ***"

How about "COPS: Mp3 unit."

I love the world... just give in, stay home, eat your gm'd food, take your stay awake, go to sleep, be happy pills, burn all the electricity you want, screw the pooch, marry an asian, and watch the crap hit the fan.

Actually I hate this world and I'm going to blow it up, next Tuesday.
So those of you "on the fence" about this argument I hope are now "crystal clear" on why you just need to NOT BUY any product of the RIAA.

I still don't believe it when I read it... "tax dollars"?!?!? W-T-F?!?!?!

The RIAA are laughing at you all.... and then "thumbing" their nose at you.
i hope this gets passed into law in every european country + usa. I've had enough of these scumbags smuggling contraband across our great nations' borders.

The people have become apathetic to the fact that there are laws and that those laws should not be violated. He who wills to break even the most trivial law will not wince to further his disestablishmentiarism through other, more heinous crimes:thus undermining our great iron republic.

Or, you know, you could just update capitalism with another proxy and all will be as it ever was (might need a revolution though, bloody mess).
Almost all Mp3 players have FM radio and record function for creating mp3 files from radio waves. Will be all people who recorded music from radio prosecuted and Mp3 players confiscated?
But, any rapist or child molester can travel around, as well as do his deed without being bothered or put in jail for a couple years.

Right now, we could run over someone while drunk, high and speeding... get caught.. pay our fine, and be in less trouble than carrying an ipod to france.
"If you thought the army 
was here protecting people like yourself
I've some news for you 
we're here to defend wealth"
Billy Bragg

The police and armed forces are not for the protection of proles. We might pay their wages but we don't give the orders. This is just more of the same old same old. If you are wearing a $3000 Brooks suit you get protection but if you are in jeans and a t-shirt you're a suspect before you're a citizen. 

Intimidation and fear are the tools the cops use to keep us in line. Can't have the rabble upsetting this nice system of funneling wealth ever upwards while below we are promised tinkle down, ahem, that's trickle down. Golden showers to enrich us.
The RIAA lobbyists must have a compelling case (or offer fact-finding missions on large yachts with a lot of party-girls) for the entire G8 to agree on something.

Counterfeiting medicines and airplane parts is nasty but copying your CD onto your Pod.
IP Justice published a White Paper analyzing ACTA and the unfair way in which it is being created and IPJ posted lots of links to more info on ACTA here:
http://ipjustice.org/wp/campaigns/acta/
Guess I'll just sit here and practice my shooting until Big Brother finally tries to take my few remaining rights away.

We were due for another revolution anyways.
They can draw up all the proposals they want, but to be implemented it has to be passed into law.

Do you really think privacy advocates will sit back and say nothing as soon as the proposal becomes public ?

If RIAA cannot force ISPs to hand over data today, how will they be able to force them to hand over data without proof just because the G8 proposes it ?

Is this just a troll ?
http://www.ustr.gov/Document_Library/Press_Releases/2007/October/Ambassador_Schwab_Announces_US_Will_Seek_New_Trade_Agreement_to_Fight_Fakes.html

[quote]
The proliferation of infringements of intellectual property rights (“IPR”) particularly in the context of counterfeiting and piracy poses an ever-increasing threat to the sustainable development of the world economy. The consequences of such IPR infringements include (1) depriving legitimate businesses and their workers of income; (2) discouraging innovation and creativity; (3) threatening consumer health and safety; (4) providing an easy source of revenue for organized crime; and (5) loss of tax revenue.
[/quote]

Favorite bollocks: (3) threatening consumer health and safety

Oooh,this is going to start leading to a whole new type of smuggling.

Pretty soon we'll have people locked in small rooms with these police, while they wait for them to "pass" balloons full of memory sticks.

This is outrageous, I don't know many people with as much purchased music as myself.. so if this copyright police or whatever stops me and look in my PMP what are they going to do, will they walk me home and look through my cd collection to see that i own every flac file on the PMP ??

Is it 1984 already ?? *evil* 

Enough with this bullshit already, we are already letting private corporations gain way too much power over the little people.
man I have already done it and since I moved to a more "secure" p2p method I have not bothered encrypting my media partition... but its time again.... 

also how can they proof my music on my ipod is copyrighted... maybe I own of of those CDs in my flat in antartica

http://www.truecrypt.org/
"In short it gives the RIAA a tax-payer-funded police force with the power to search, fine and confiscate property without any accountability"

Isn't this one of the signs of the Apocalypse?
Let's face it: Copyright infringement is nothing compared to assault, murder, rape or even your run of the mill theft. It's kinda hard to frame someone for murder or theft. But hack his Wifi, download child porn and see him getting taken to jail.
The more rigorous the enforcement the bigger the possibility of false positives.
The classic case of planting evidence might use less drugs and more bootleg DVDs...
Now hacking the wifi of RIAA and MPAA lawyers and directors and getting them to jail... :) priceless
If they have the wrong people working for them, what prevents them from effectively stealing your brand new iPod or 2 grand's worth of laptop? All because you backed up a CD onto it which you didn't want to get scratched! I can understand that drugs can be seized and destroyed, but computers, music players, mobile phones?
Scary to see how the brown shirt thugs of the RIAA are trying implement flavours of Nazism be means of pre-1933 style political influence.

And that all paid by the international taxpayer.. Consumer and civil rights organisations send out your Chamberlains to our defence!!!

Next step after that,, allow them to perform cavity searches at customs to look for flash ram contraband that might contain music or film?
so i got this new File Encryption software called nokVAULT, no joke it totally hides all my music and movies that I encrypt. Apparently my windows operating system doesnt even detect them when I close my vault. So it really doesnt matter who the heck checks my laptop and when because all my files are invisible. Only i know they are there, no one will ever know what I hide in my laptop. 
Kewl.

Oh, sod-off...
Next Tuesday is bad for me could you make it Thursday.
What a bunch of hypocrites. If it were your intellectual property - you'd be whining and crying FOR the police to do something. Theres no new laws here, just an ENFORCEMENT that could have taken place a long time ago and got us all used to stealing property that doesnt belong to us.

Stop whining, and stop thieving music and you'll have nothing to worry about.

When was the last time it was ok for you not to get paid for your lifes work?
Proposed by the USA? WTF? Just another indication that the Mafia and their undead army of corrupt lawyers has taken over that once glorious country. What a shame.
> ISPs will be forced to hand over personal information on any alleged copyright infringers without any actual proof being needed.

This is why you should never pay for Internet access.
This would certainly help organised crime, instead of people buying a CD on vacation in asia and such they'll have to buy it on the street from an official tied-in criminal that's part of the mob if they want it cheap or if they don't want to support the largest gang of scammers AKA media companies.
Wonderful (assuming you are in said mob).
Incidentally, when people hum a song they use breathing air, should the air not be DRM'ed and licensed?
If only there was a way to stop this.

Something like organizing a protest where a crowd of girls rip off their tops to reveal the words "NO, YOU CAN'T SEARCH MY SOFTWARE, ACTA!" painted across the top halves of their "chest areas"... 

Naw, that probably wouldn't work.

Well, maybe...
This is about the state having the ability to search your electronics at any time for any reason under the guise of looking for MP3's

That it makes the RIAA Happy is a bonus.
For those who do not know, the song, "The Marching Song of the Covert Battalions", comes from Billy Bragg's 1990 album, "The Internationale". If you agree with the song's lyrics, then left-wing politics (those who strongly favor egalitarianism, progressive social policy, and multiculturalism) may be more to your liking than right-wing politics (those who strongly favor the maintenance of traditionally selected leaders, protection of traditional institutions from government regulation, and the promotion of one culture as superior to all others).
i'm not an expert or anything, nor have i taken the time or concern to figure out any other method... but it seems like they could go at it from their end rather than our end. they made blank cassette tapes for both music and vhs, and this was lawful. we used these products to record information in many different ways. then everything went digital. come on, guys, this is ur business model, it fails and u attack ur customer? pft

thankfully, i'm not really a big media (music or movie) fan. mostly propaganda for this group's plight or that person's goal, anyway.

btw, we should all learn something from everything, be it fiction (fairy-tale) or non-fiction.

ewe people
Fly Jefferson Airplane, but send your ABBA by Cab; Thiefrow baggage handlers will no doubt divert your luggage to Bengaluru whilst Bangalore was clearly your predestination. Never specify Bangor due to disambiguation.
When in Rome, do as Genesis. You have a Roma Pass to try and collect on that pint that Phil Collins owes you.

That's no music in me caravan, it's just starting to hum because I got a lump of sumtang carbon credit for a second home. Like all those G8 MP3s on 45s, I call them B-sides; it was put up or shut up, mine would NOT shush, and now we got to put our money where his mouth was. Next time I holiday, I'm flying on a Virgin.

"I try to sleep, they're wide awake, they wont leave me alone.
They dont get paid to take vacations, or let me alone.
They spy on me, I try to hide, they won't let me alone.
They persecute me, they're the judge and jury all in one"

I have just the plunder you're in search to get your excise, agent Snarky. It's by an artist I'm sure will be pleased to get his come uppence, named Ben Dover. That may be Sir Ben Dover to you; he's been knighted I think.

No offence intended.
If this really is being considered, it's very scary and needs stopping. Surely these highly paid bureaucrats can think of more productive uses of their time than tagging more unnecessary legislation onto the overflowing legislatory wastebasket, which desperately needs overhauling and rethinking anyway?!
I can't wait to see how entertaining the news is going to be when they start to throw even more people into America's prison system... Ha ha! for having unauthorized music? (too funny)

I really do hope we get some new reality TV shows... something along the lines of "I used to be middle class, now I take it in the ***"

How about "COPS: Mp3 unit."

I love the world... just give in, stay home, eat your gm'd food, take your stay awake, go to sleep, be happy pills, burn all the electricity you want, screw the pooch, marry an asian, and watch the crap hit the fan.

Actually I hate this world and I'm going to blow it up, next Tuesday.
So those of you "on the fence" about this argument I hope are now "crystal clear" on why you just need to NOT BUY any product of the RIAA.

I still don't believe it when I read it... "tax dollars"?!?!? W-T-F?!?!?!

The RIAA are laughing at you all.... and then "thumbing" their nose at you.
i hope this gets passed into law in every european country + usa. I've had enough of these scumbags smuggling contraband across our great nations' borders.

The people have become apathetic to the fact that there are laws and that those laws should not be violated. He who wills to break even the most trivial law will not wince to further his disestablishmentiarism through other, more heinous crimes:thus undermining our great iron republic.

Or, you know, you could just update capitalism with another proxy and all will be as it ever was (might need a revolution though, bloody mess).
Almost all Mp3 players have FM radio and record function for creating mp3 files from radio waves. Will be all people who recorded music from radio prosecuted and Mp3 players confiscated?
But, any rapist or child molester can travel around, as well as do his deed without being bothered or put in jail for a couple years.

Right now, we could run over someone while drunk, high and speeding... get caught.. pay our fine, and be in less trouble than carrying an ipod to france.
"If you thought the army 
was here protecting people like yourself
I've some news for you 
we're here to defend wealth"
Billy Bragg

The police and armed forces are not for the protection of proles. We might pay their wages but we don't give the orders. This is just more of the same old same old. If you are wearing a $3000 Brooks suit you get protection but if you are in jeans and a t-shirt you're a suspect before you're a citizen. 

Intimidation and fear are the tools the cops use to keep us in line. Can't have the rabble upsetting this nice system of funneling wealth ever upwards while below we are promised tinkle down, ahem, that's trickle down. Golden showers to enrich us.
The RIAA lobbyists must have a compelling case (or offer fact-finding missions on large yachts with a lot of party-girls) for the entire G8 to agree on something.

Counterfeiting medicines and airplane parts is nasty but copying your CD onto your Pod.
IP Justice published a White Paper analyzing ACTA and the unfair way in which it is being created and IPJ posted lots of links to more info on ACTA here:
http://ipjustice.org/wp/campaigns/acta/
Guess I'll just sit here and practice my shooting until Big Brother finally tries to take my few remaining rights away.

We were due for another revolution anyways.
They can draw up all the proposals they want, but to be implemented it has to be passed into law.

Do you really think privacy advocates will sit back and say nothing as soon as the proposal becomes public ?

If RIAA cannot force ISPs to hand over data today, how will they be able to force them to hand over data without proof just because the G8 proposes it ?

Is this just a troll ?
http://www.ustr.gov/Document_Library/Press_Releases/2007/October/Ambassador_Schwab_Announces_US_Will_Seek_New_Trade_Agreement_to_Fight_Fakes.html

[quote]
The proliferation of infringements of intellectual property rights (“IPR”) particularly in the context of counterfeiting and piracy poses an ever-increasing threat to the sustainable development of the world economy. The consequences of such IPR infringements include (1) depriving legitimate businesses and their workers of income; (2) discouraging innovation and creativity; (3) threatening consumer health and safety; (4) providing an easy source of revenue for organized crime; and (5) loss of tax revenue.
[/quote]

Favorite bollocks: (3) threatening consumer health and safety

Oooh,this is going to start leading to a whole new type of smuggling.

Pretty soon we'll have people locked in small rooms with these police, while they wait for them to "pass" balloons full of memory sticks.

This is outrageous, I don't know many people with as much purchased music as myself.. so if this copyright police or whatever stops me and look in my PMP what are they going to do, will they walk me home and look through my cd collection to see that i own every flac file on the PMP ??

Is it 1984 already ?? *evil* 

Enough with this bullshit already, we are already letting private corporations gain way too much power over the little people.
Can see a remake of Fahrenheit 451 coming based on this...
man I have already done it and since I moved to a more "secure" p2p method I have not bothered encrypting my media partition... but its time again.... 

also how can they proof my music on my ipod is copyrighted... maybe I own of of those CDs in my flat in antartica

http://www.truecrypt.org/
"In short it gives the RIAA a tax-payer-funded police force with the power to search, fine and confiscate property without any accountability"

Isn't this one of the signs of the Apocalypse?
People wonder why I'm a misanthrope and why I don't believe in fairy tales (God). If this is true, it's one more check box on the list why.
Let's face it: Copyright infringement is nothing compared to assault, murder, rape or even your run of the mill theft. It's kinda hard to frame someone for murder or theft. But hack his Wifi, download child porn and see him getting taken to jail.
The more rigorous the enforcement the bigger the possibility of false positives.
The classic case of planting evidence might use less drugs and more bootleg DVDs...
Now hacking the wifi of RIAA and MPAA lawyers and directors and getting them to jail... :) priceless
If they have the wrong people working for them, what prevents them from effectively stealing your brand new iPod or 2 grand's worth of laptop? All because you backed up a CD onto it which you didn't want to get scratched! I can understand that drugs can be seized and destroyed, but computers, music players, mobile phones?
Scary to see how the brown shirt thugs of the RIAA are trying implement flavours of Nazism be means of pre-1933 style political influence.

And that all paid by the international taxpayer.. Consumer and civil rights organisations send out your Chamberlains to our defence!!!

Next step after that,, allow them to perform cavity searches at customs to look for flash ram contraband that might contain music or film?
Big Brother is watching you!