I read alot that people are saying that the far right where Socialists when Hitler named his Party the reason why some say Socialists it had nothing to do with those Lefties everybody new he hated the Left Wing why do you think when he took total control of Germany he made sure that all the Left Wing Party's where gone,and also why do you think his main aim was to Destroy the Soviets.And i read that he rather be dead before any Soviets could get hold of him.I read alot about Hitler and there is know way around it he was a Master in War Fair.I have been a Nazi for 27 years and joint alot of groups till i finally found the perfect group where i am a life member and i will always stand and defend him till i die

Basically, your a moron yourself. What possessed you to even attempt to write a pseudo-intellectual article which bases itself on anti-racism.

Dont like it? Deal with it. Economic crisis will bring a party with similar fundamentals into power at some point in the future, such a bad thing?

People may also visit these sites in an effort to read into the political issues these ridiculous parties are directing their campaigns with. Doing so allows the more intelligent of us to do research into these issues and rip their policies and ideas to shreds.

I agree with the writers sentiment about how awful, violent and racist the UK's BNP is !! 
& it is a serious matter, recently I spoke with some young adult visitors to London for the summer - they said they would never come to England again because of the level of racisim they had come across during their visit, I explained that the racisits are a minority! - but they said well they are very active and they are about everywhere, I agreed this is true, but still a minority, the group accepted this but still won't be coming back because of the underlining racisim and the talk in the pubs about imigration and the BNP Nazi Party.
Therefore it could be argued that the BNP and their racist propaganda along with the right-wing press are adversley effecting the tourist trade, an important part of the UK economy. 
I would place caution on the report of how many "hits" take place on the BNP's web site..you have got to bare in mind that alot of people are shocked and horrified and angry even at the thought of a resurgent Nazi party in the UK, especially one that tries to hide it's true hatred for other races apart from their so called "English" white race, it tries to hide it's links to neo-Nazi parties in Europe and America and even Griffin's link to a former Klu Klux Klan "Wizard" & it's connections within and outside their party of Holocaust deniers - THEREFORE some of the "hits" on the web site will be from those that are against the British Nazi Party or the BNP - to find out what nonsense they are coming up with next!! 
TO THE PERSON WHO SAID THEY ARE A LEGAL PARTY ETC! & "That people can vote for them in a democracy if they want to" are you crazy!! Yes the BNP is still legal, just barely - its entire party is almost completely made up of career criminals, thugs and racisist - they have tons of convictions between them, including the leader Nick Griffin, who was convicted in 1998 for "incitement to racial hatred" and he was nearly sentenced again, when BBC's Panorama (Under the skin of the BNP) exposed Griffin spouting racial hatred again - and talking of a white supremacy race, he got off at trial on a technicality - due to the undercover nature of the documentry and it's understood because of the use of subtitles etc..
What is important here is no party in the UK (or anywhere) that promotes Nazi style racist propaganda and scapegoats imigration as the problem to all social ills (not much different to scapegoating, Jews, Slavs,Gypsies, Soviet POW's, Poles, Serbs, Jehovah's Witnesses, Politicals (opponents-all) some Christain Clergy even, Blacks, Homosexuals, The Disabled etc, THE LIST GOES ON & ON!!) The problem is not imigration, infact a report in the Financial Times recently (& a similar one in the Guardian) stated that prejudice against imigrants was actually now starting to strangle the economy, assisting in the general downturn in the economy. The problem in terms of strains on Hospitals, Schools and Housing (&Transport) is not due to emigration to this country, there has been imigration to the UK for hundreds of years - it was indeed the bedrock of imperialisim as a imperitive to the "new" economy of the British Emipre (along with French, Dutch, Portugese, Spanish, German, Ottoman, Austria-Hungarian Emipres) The problem is lack of investment, due to excess money been spent on long term war commitments (due to lack of planning, or more to the point not taking up well drawn up plans-false economic decision there!) The money wasted on "expenses" by government, and also because the tax system is not completely fair - whilst not deterring entrepeneurial projects and small & big business - a fairer tax system needs to be embraced, the extortionate profit scooped up by oil companies for example - and the over streatched consumer society is part of the reason for lack of investment. Social-Housing in particular is now at crises point in the UK - the reason for lack of investment is due to successive governments not taking this issue seriously and that housing and transport has dipped down the agenda, the latter not helped by the crazy privatisation scheme causing havoc on the British Rail system, (putting safety at risk and dividing up the entire network, taking years to re-co-ordinate etc..) the privatisation was rushed through without proper thought for the travelling public. BR the earlier nationalised version had it's problems sure - but it did always put safety high up on it's agenda, dispite problems elsewhere in the railway system, (to be fair here briefly; there has been some improvement in rail travel since regulation, but it's far from ideal, and not up to European standards we are still miles behind TGV in France) - but making the railway a real alternative to the road on environmental grounds ..well we are so not there yet!! In housing the lack of investment has been cronic, this is partly because both Labour and the Tories have been "unsure" what their policy on social housing was, there still "unsure" - this is because they believe in "Laise-Faire" : leaving the economy to run things on it's own - no matter what the effect or what happens, Labour perhaps to a lesser extent, but it still embraces the market forces, only when things are desperate (as in rail safety) do they act accordingly to their socialist principles, labour these days do not invoke very many social-economic policies, there are exceptions notably in the NHS (though there is still lack of investment there, despite general improvement,(inc. the reduction in some vital patient wating lists) ..but dis-engagement of the cleaning by Hospitals under the Control of strict method and supervised by Hospital Matrons, then "out-sourced" to private cleaning companies, which has removed direct control from hospitals and the BMA and has removed previously held worker loyalty to hospitals by cleaning staff, in such a vital area of any hospital functioning properly) - The problem in the economy is not imigration, (emigrants are required for the economy) - The problem, is too much reliance on the financial instutions in the economy, the decline in home & industrial manafacturing, the historic lack of investment in education, (though genuine efforts have been made to improve things in this area of policy, the current investment in education seems to be hitting the buffers, with potential school closures.)
Reductions in investment in the Arts and Sciences too has caused a downturn in the potential for the nations creativity. The idea the Call Centre - and Customer Service industry would suffice for job creation. The real lack of investment in all kinds of potential industry, in which Britain has actually got, historically a good record...i.e. shipbuilding and engineering. Yes it is also because of lack of investment in renewable energy, this is not just a fuddy duddy green issue, it's real:- if investment was placed (in slightly better times) into renewables, then Britain as a whole would not have to spend so much on other forms of energy like gas, and in particular oil, lets face it, we have known for years that Britain's Gas and Oil fields are running much lower than before, and may dry out completely in the not so distant future. OPEC the middle east oil cartel is able to take advantage of this, along with our previous lack of investment in renewable enrgy, enabled OPEC to raise the world oil price - again and again, but such reliance in this country on so much oil and gas is also making us waste money, buses could be replaced by trams, (in cities, at least) electricity is easy to obtain from solar and other renewable energy, cheaper than disel or petrol, full electrification of the rail system & vast improvements in rail transport (encouraging commuters of the road..leaving the motorcar mainly used for lesure travel & key working, reducing traffic by well over 50%) . ..we then would not use our own oil & gas resourses so quickly overall, and that in turn would reduce the price and help the economy.

TO THE GUY WHO SAID NAZI = SOCIALISM!! this is just not the case, true that Hitler originaly joined a socialist party - The German Workers Party, at a time of great chaos and despair, just after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles where he obtained the idea of the movement and where he discovered his talent for public speaking, he declared at GWP meeting that Germany's problems must be the fault of somebody & that they needed to find out who (i.e. a scapegoat) but he split the movement and then created the NAZI party - or the National Socialist German Workers Party, stealing the idea of the socialist movement - and this helped him attract some of the German Workers, who in dispair would in the end vote for the Nazis, and yes he took some of the disillusioned movement with him, however he had tricked and conned the workers of Germany however. Hitler himself had contempt for his audiences. It was the way he shamlessly exploited their emotions that brought them towards him. He had distain for the masses and the socilaist movement. 
Extract from Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler
'The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power for forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.' (lightning source UK ltd 2004) - The Nazis did not have Social Economic Polices, as discribed by Marx and Engels, in fact Hitler and the Nazi party hated socialisim, despite admiring it's ability to mobilise the masses and he really hated communists (not just stalinists either). In fact facisim in Germany and Italy destroyed the working class movement and socialism in both countries. The German workers, on the Nazis comming to power, were placed in work and unemployment fell, however work was generally, roadbuilding and re-arming, without telling the workers or the people in general that both were for the war effort to come, for the Nazis were intent on Imperialism. Imperialism is the opressive state ruling over the workers. The roadbuilders were drilled to build the autobans, which would come to help the Blizkrig Lightning War, The majority of the rest were placed in factories to buid arms for Hitlers plans for war, tanks, planes, new naval ships, u-boats, and ammunition. As a whole, wages and living standards were reduced considerably, the Nazis exploiting the workers, on the basis that they had previously been destitute and unemployed, the Nazis exploited the economic crisis of 1929-1930, or the great crash in order to get a willing workforce, prepared to work for very low wages. The Nazis also did deals and made arrangements with the very rich and the moderately wealthy within Germany and fully embraced Capitalism, and would in turn push capitalism to it's limits. Incedentally the some of the first people sent to the concentration camps were Socialist and Trade Unionist, because the Nazis having stolen the idea of movement from the left, were acutely aware that the real movement of the Socialists could be one of the only methods at the time to stop the Nazi Tryanny, therefore a far-right policy of rounding up any opposition. When Dachau concentration camp was opened, under much ceremony, as early as 1933 many socialists and dissidents "undesirables" and "politicals" were sent there and imprisoned there. Also be Aryann to get any job or at the very least dark-haired central German Aryann, anybody else in those early days was sidelined, not just Jews, though there treatment was the worst, subjected to terrible persecution, bookburning, boycotting of shops, violence and terror, all far-right wing strategy, nothing to do with socialism. The Nazis also wanted to weed out those that they considered "not worthy of life" ..the physically and mentally disabled...the Nazis at all times wanted to maximise productivity, no matter what suffering would be inflicted as a result, this is a extream calous Capitalist policy solution not a Socialist one. 
On the point about the Labour Party in Britain been a socialist "enemy within" ..well the British Labour Party is no longer a socialist party as such, though members of their party would proclaim to still be socialist, the party has moved even further to the right in recent years, to pander to scapegoating and so they hope they don't have to admit the real reasons for lack of investment, in providing proper public services as promised. 42 days internment - a right wing policy, invasion and long tem occupation of foreign countries - a right wing policy, lower wages also right wing policy, unfair taxation and no caps on huge profit or lack of organised investment, their curbes on civil liberties and freedoms - all show labour is moving to the right, not towards its socialist roots. Returning to the original uncovering the truth behind Nazi parties theme of this discussion; The real democratic socialists in opposition at the Reichstag in Germany during the early years of Nazi Government Rule in March of 1933, the Spring of that year, before they too were ousted from the democratic process, the SDP protested loudly against Hitler's Enabling Law 1933, which gave Hitler full control after the Nazis had won the 1933 general election on 5th March 1933. The Enabling Law was to enable the Nazis to pass any laws without any democratic voice whatsoever been allowed to oppose him or his Nazi henchmen at any stage, the act gave the Nazis full power to do whatever they wanted, and to run roughshod of the normal processes and to remove the civil rights of many peoples.

The true socialists believed in democracy - the complete opposite to the Nazis, they have to or need remove democracy to consolidte their Nazi power in order to put in place the full strength of their reign of tyranny, terror, threats, violence and their horrendous persecution and placing their own public under extream fear, more than most of us can imagine possible. 

The Socialists attempted a last stand in the name of democracy, in the German parliment at The Kroll Opera House 23rd March 1933 (The Reichstag had been burned down on the 27th February of that same year), , they were opposing Hitler's Nazis of course and his tyrannical Enabling Law. Otto Wels, leader of the Socialist Democratic Party said "We the German Social Democratic Party pledge ourselves solemnly in this historic hour [that of the passing of the Nazi Enabling Law 1933] to the principles of humanity and justice, of freedom and socialism. No enabling act can give you the power to destroy ideas which are eternal and indestructible"*
William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (Secker & Warburg, 1960)

I would like to point out that the Nazi movement in Germany was in fact socialist idealism very much in tune with Britains Labour party today.
The difference being the target for exclusion is the white Britain working classes.
The Labour party are the enemy within. Wake up !

Andrew Thomas is a racist, why is he using German to refer to a British Political Party.

Please Mr Thomas, let us know?

AT replies: Err, ever heard of humour?


Agreed, this article would be embarrassing enough if it were a blog of some gal-spitting loner, let alone a tech news site.

"and twice as many as the Tory Party – the UK’s rather insipid answer to the Republicans"

Hang on. The Tories care about the environment, poor people and social issues... that makes them more like the Democrats, despite theoretically being the equivalent of the Republicans. Also, I think it speaks volumes that they have 3½ times more visitors than Labour / Lib Dems. Still, we can't let that get in the way of Tory bashing.

Also, despite how unpleasant the politics of the BNP may be at least people know where they stand with them - politics has, as stated many times before, become so centre ground that there is little difference between the main parties. Heck, Labour have considerably increased taxes for the lower classes and miffed the unions, supposedly the people they are meant to stand up for.

TheINQ should feel free to bash who it wants but this article is a joke and the author has made a fool of themselves. This article makes the Daily Mail look like good journalism!

"Journalists regularly trawl this site for stories" (I'd doubt you'd find many who'd own-up to it.)

Here's an interesting concept:
"The report, for the Centre for Policy Studies, claims the site has flourished because it allows visitors to leave messages and interact with one another."
Quite a novel idea.

The comments are quite telling: middle England is off-put with government.
But the BNP would have to Sieg Heil many Essex Men and Worcester Women into the gerrymandering act.

The reckoning and careless label for most visitors' being (the) 'curious,' belittles those who might stem the crescent hordes; as flaming torchwoods looking for a faq. Albeit the modest approach, this is the BNP, correct?

Pity that debate-worthy political ideology is often ostracised due to the company that keeps it.



The writer compares the BNP and Daily Mail to "nazis", "saddoes accused of downloading kiddy pr0n", "rabid women", "racist scumbags", "bile and spittle-flecked", etc. He further states offers a quote from some other guy that "BNP supporters have not evolved sufficiently to acquire a skill such as that"

I guess the reader should infer that BNP are bad people. I guess I will read up on their views and decide on that basis rather than this mud slinging.

...most of the people who are interested in polytricks are neurotic fanatics - hmm.

Firstly, the BNP are a legal party, people can vote for them, and should not be demonised in a democratic country for doing so.

IF the BNP break the law, like anyone else, they should be dealt with. At the current time, the Government and others are under ongoing investigations, so people should not be so very quick with their smears. 

I'm not a BNP fan at all myself, but at this time, I have to say, you can clearly see why parties not in the centre ground ARE getting public support interest. Politics in the UK and Europe as a whole are now totally centre ground, controlled, confined only to the politically correct, and no one gets to vote, or if you do, you get a choice of nothing. 

The parties in the centre are so marvellous in the democracy, they are busying themselves in handing over vast powers to an unelected dictatorship in brussels, hardly ground for bashing some small right wing bunch. 

I can see totally why people are unhappy with the status quo, and I don't agree with bashing them because of it.

ich liebe fuehrer ich liebe reich!

The National Socialist movement has been ever so popular in Britain just as well. Just like in most things the Germans were better at it. Anyhow - no need to speak German to make the point.