One last thing

"There is another type, however, called fully-depleted SOI (FD-SOI) that is under investigation at Intel and is not being used by any chip makers today." 

Can you say 32nm ;)

Cheers Sparks

Dude I want to believe your dumbass BS but since you do not actually provide any links or references .... stating "This is from Intel’s website:" without an actual URL and I'm should believe you... from the actual URL I used ... the title of the article and I quote "Intel to use new SOI-based transistors for low-power processors in future"

and here is a little snippet (1st paragraph... read the last sentence carefully):

"SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- In a move to address the power concerns of future microprocessors, Intel Corp. here today announced a new transistor structure that marks the company's initial use of high-k dielectrics, epitaxial wafers, and a real shocker--silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology. Until now, Intel has dismissed SOI technology for use in processor designs."


Sparks I work as a security analyst .... in other words lots and lots and LOTS of research online dude no URL then your lying otherwise prove your case by giving proof other then your pearls of wisdom.

Cheers

One thing litely mentioned is that AMD/ATI has hired two new engineers to head cpu developement sections & both are from IBM. this is good & strong point that dead wood is that: dead. 
Maybe those new rascals will incorporate All 'N Wonder....blah blah,woof woof. Those two peoples control future of Most of AMD today.
drashek

Db? Does this mean dumb bell?

1st you need to do a few things.

1) Get a brain
2) READ MORE so you know what you’re talking about.
3) Go back to 1)

This is from Intel’s website:

“Silicon-on-insulator (SOI) – SOI refers to the use of a layered silicon-insulator-silicon substrate on which transistors are built, rather than a simple (bulk) silicon substrate. Some companies claim to get some performance and/or power benefits from SOI over bulk silicon. Intel’s analysis shows that such benefits, if any, are marginal, and do not justify the substantial cost increase of SOI wafers. Intel has never used, nor does it plan to use, partially depleted SOI (PD-SOI) that others are using. There is another type, however, called fully-depleted SOI (FD-SOI) that is under investigation at Intel and is not being used by any chip makers today.”

See! You read that! Now, all you need to do is get a brain to understand what you’re reading. 

Hint: re read it few times maybe you won’t need a brain.

SPARKS

Intel didn't go SOI......

http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=10809976

dude your and ID10T and get your facts straight.... 

High K Dielectrics is good for one thing and SOI is for an other.... High K dielectric is good for capacitors signalling and SOI is good for insulation.... they are both different things for different purposes.. AMD and Intel use both techs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-k

"Silicon dioxide has been used as a gate oxide material for decades. As transistors have decreased in size, the thickness of the silicon dioxide gate dielectric has steadily decreased to increase the gate capacitance and thereby drive current and device performance. As the thickness scales below 2 nm, leakage currents due to tunneling increase drastically, leading to unwieldy power consumption and reduced device reliability. Replacing the silicon dioxide gate dielectric with a high-κ material allows increased gate capacitance without the concomitant leakage effects."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_on_Insulator

"Lower parasitic capacitance due to isolation from the bulk silicon, which improves power consumption at matched performance.
Resistance to latchup due to complete isolation of the n- and p- well structures."

You talk spin spin spin learn more about electronics and processor engineering before you speak and remove all doubt that you are a fool.


“With intensifying competition from rival chipmaker Intel putting the firm under pressure”

Ah the classic INQ spin rears its ugly head. You and this pathetic excuse called analysis are indicative of the bias irrelevancy you excrete. With your keen eye for objectively I would like you to answer one question as you spin your misleading ridiculous fabrications.

Had Barcelona succeeded in delivering as promised, 40% I recall, would Intel’s “pressure” be as great? 

Intel did not go with the BLEEDING SOI, AMD did.

Intel went with MCM offering more product alternatives, AMD did not, and they ridiculed it.

AMD executed horribly and spent billions on a broken SOI process and a broken, untried, native quad core architecture.

AMD took on two powerful competitors, Nvidia and Intel.

You cleverly, or stupidly, completely omit Nvidia (not mentioned once) as competition. 

Your ridiculous analysis maximizes Intel “intensifying competition” and minimizes AMD’s monumental failures with a mere, “delays in launching Barcelona”. 

Listen, AMD has FAILED on ALL FRONTS. It wasn’t Intel’s intensifying competition. It was AMD failure to execute a viable long term successful business model, you twit.

Barcelona Failed. The ATI acquisition failed. The platform DREAM failed. Their singular offering NATIVE QUAD CORE solution has failed. 

IN SHORT, AMD FAILED AND OFFERS NO COMPETITION!
INTEL IS EXECUTING!
NVIDIA IS EXECUTING! 

Do you get the difference? Or maybe, in your myopic and slanted estimation, it was Intel’s monopolistic behavior? The whole article is simplistic, flawed, biased and elementary, just like its author. 

SPARKS 

I can't realize what could happen if AMD dies.

I was ATI fanboy. Now I am with DAAMIT. You know, one loves Ferrari, others Renault - and they know Ferrari is faster and looks better, but doesnt bother.

And now my Renault rides from the hell and I'm giving him Big Ups.

Very nice article.

Hi,
I read this article in the People's Daily Online (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/6412508.html#)
and thought it might be of interest to the Enquirer.

Avid reader,
Deacon
lorencef@sbcglobal.net



Beijing to host AMD research center
U.S. microprocessor maker AMD will set up a joint research center in Beijing, as part of its commitment to the world's fastest growing PC market.

The chipmaker will collaborate with the China Electronics Standardization Institute of the Ministry of Industry and Information for the project. They will use the facility to research and develop test and evaluation technologies of integrated circuit and central processing units.

"China is one of the engines driving AMD's global evolution and today's announcements reflect our commitment to and belief in the future of China and its strong technical community," said Dirk Meyer, president and chief operating officer of AMD.

"We appreciate the strategic relationships we've developed with our customers in China and look forward to further collaboration as we bring industry-leading AMD technology to business users and consumers throughout the region."

China is now one of the fastest growing markets of the chip maker, which had told China Daily last year that it expects the nation to become its single largest market by 2009.

The company has a research and development center in Shanghai and an assembly and testing plant in Suzhou, a booming manufacturing city in Jiangsu province. In 2005, it transferred its technologies in industrial microprocessors to the Peking University, as part of its cooperation with local industries.

The chipmaker has increased its market share in China over the past years, thanks to its achievements in broadening its relationships with PC makers in China.

Over the past year, all major PC makers in China like Lenovo, Tongfang and Founder have rolled out desktops and laptops equipped with AMD processors. Even Dell, the world's second largest PC maker, decided to add AMD to it vendor list last year, rather than sticking to AMD's rival Intel.

Computer makers like IBM, HP and Dawning have also opted for the smaller chip maker for its servers, helping the company to expand in the enterprise processor market.

"We expect AMD to gain market share in China this year," said Simon Ye, an analyst with U.S. IT consultancy Gartner.

The company also donated 1 million yuan yesterday to Tsinghua University for a scholarship, trying to help nurture tech talents in the nation.

Over the past week, AMD has brought its executive operating committee to China for the first time, which shows the importance it attaches to the Chinese market, the company said.

In addition, AMD has announced that it is donating 1 million yuan in disaster relief to earthquake-hit areas in Sichuan province.

Source: China Daily



Copyright by People's Daily Online, All Rights Reserved

It's sad and funny how companies with some halfdecent growth rush out and start brandishing graphs and charts where their marketeers just extend the lines from the last two years into the next 10 years or so. "Today 20% of the market, 40% next year. When we hit 100%, we just grow the market." Yes, sure. Just plug a few choice keywords, like AMD, increase and market share into the Inq search bar and see what pops out. The best one is http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2006/08/22/amd-wants-40-per-cent-of-server-market .
Yes, you have to aim high but even then, as the trusty old Adamson Rust put it in another article at the time: "Let's hope AMD is not getting cocky. Remember when Nvidia got cocky?"
Somebody might also suggest, all that talk about insane growth is just designed to drive up share prices so that *some* people can cash in their share/stock options. Once there is no more milk left in the old cow, they just move on to find another udder to latch onto. What a terribly cynical view!!

All this is assuming that everything comes up roses for AMD.

What is the guarantee that their new projects will do any better than Barcelona is doing?

They were confident there as well, and we can see what happened. They have no new IP for this year at all. Everything they do will still be a slightly adjusted K10, which, after all the hype, is nothing more than a warmed over K8.

I'm skeptical.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Before Barcelona was out AMD was quiet as a fish. Analyst were being as quiet.

Now all they do is talk and talk talk.

Your last chip was a year late & under-lcokced.

Enough talk, no apologies, no analysis. Bring forth the chips, let us see if the second pitch is a strike or a ball.

AMD Might be in last Few Public rounds before going Private in Ow, Sai 2018. Or AMD Could use Underdog Trick, Grab DRM by Reproductive Thangies & quash it.

If design gets too complex & their all Flexing for that info, Back to Time & Charges plus about trillion other things. 
Or All-In-Wonder that records BluRay easy. First put it in Cpu+Gpu combo so have to BUY New Computer, Hahahah. Then when Amazed Public is at: HOW Brazen Prirates Can live, Go to All-In_Wonder crowd, as cpu stuff is so complex its AMD Exclusive.whyUK?loc
Then finally hit world with plenty of basicly discontinued All-In-Wonder cards out as Public has Incredible Viewpoint there worth more TOP End Cards. Wow, Peepers.

Finally BUY Me Castle in US/UK Zone. & make em all sprenken der Englishe'.
Thomas Stewart von Drashek M.D.

Whatever. 

(Posted in reply to another on Inq article comment today):

AMD is sucking hind tit in both CPU and GPU, that's fact, and with all the problems on their plate, AMD don't have a reasonable out. 

Playing Intel's game by Intel's rules has kept them in 2nd place since their first 386 clone. No one at AMD has ever understood they can't win this game, they just all dream of leadership glory without ever really knowing how to get there. It takes leadership and vision people. Now that Intel is back in top form that game isn't going to change any time soon, AMD will remain at 15-18% CPU market share because Intel allows it. 

On the graphics front, it's game over. AMD's purchase of ATI has assured there is no opportunity for revolutionary or even evolutionary performance gains to beat NVIDIA; AMD has too many other problems to allow graphics to be their leading technology, and NVIDIA just continues to execute. Note the exodus of graphics tallent from AMD right now. Who is going to build great products for them? No one, they've all gone.

Is AMD going to survive? Sure, it wouldn't be in anyone's (Intel, major OEMs, the rest of the industry's) interest to let them fail.

Are they going to thrive? No possible way, if you're not growing you're dying. Why? 

a) Hector is an idiot and couldn't manage his way out of a wet paper sack, and killing off all his underlings isn't the problem, try using a mirror Hector.

b) Debt -- something tech doesn't do -- is AMD's balance sheet highlight and is akin to an anchor tied to a struggling swimmer, unless a big sugar daddy steps up, debt service is going to hold them down for a long time.

c) Leadership and product innovation is gone in CPU with no way to regain it

d) Gaining an edge in process technology is too expensive at this point due to the debt picture.

e) Personnel - tallent is leaving in droves, leadership/visionary folks like Henri Richard are gone, moral is at all time lows, and besides, AMD has about 25% too many staff based on their cost structure.

f) The last great hope, Fusion, is designed as an entry, commodity solution -- no one (including Intel) is going to get rich building this type of product, and it certainly isn't the answer to all AMD's woes as it has been positioned.

Besides that, the game is changing -- x86 has run it's course. The margin-rich segments like HPC are going to be vastly different in the next 5 years than they are today. And the standard x86 notebook/desktop experience we all have come to know and love is going away. Desktop computing is going niche into areas like gaming and workstation, and business/home computing is moving to something you can put in your pocket. These areas are where AMD needs to be innovating and they certainly have the assets to make something happen there. But you know what? THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO INNOVATE HERE. They don't have the cash or cash flow to fund the billions of dollars of investment it's going to take to be a leader.

Now, all the near-sighted fan bois can rah rah all they want, but the smart ones see the writing is on the wall. Hell, I've owned a bunch of AMD systems over the years, and AMD will not go out of business in the near term, but AMD are now and will remain a shadow of their former selves with between little and no hope of recovering past glory. 

Hector and the debt have to go before anything meaningful can happen.

DAAMIT a grizzly bear!
$5.6 billion doesn't nearly buy half what it used too!
Down boy! Nice teddy...
I think we should be on to playing dead!