I am baffled by the 33MHz speed, myself. Why anyone would use that to justify not recommending an installation of Vista is beyond me. I would just flat out recommend that you not install Vista, period.

You need an excuse? Are you seriously trolling around the web looking for information about such-and-such chipset, such and such FSB? Why don't you try to install your favorite operating system on your favorite laptop? If it sucks, then install a different operating system. Quit whining about AMD lying to you about a Dell product. Duh! Why would you listen to anybody but Dell (and even then, they'll lie to you, presumably, just to sell you a product). In life, you are going to get burned every once in a while. Live and learn.

Oh, and think the South Bridge connects the PCI slots, sound, usb, with the CPU, at some point. North Bridge is for Memory and AGP, only, I believe. It's been a while since I looked at those snazzy cartoons from VIA.

As for Mr. "Your IP address and hard drive serial number can't identify you on the web." Well, that's perfect. I'll use that in an RIAA case. Hopefully, the judge will buy it.

"Hey, some guy over at Microsoft said..." that'll learn 'em.

Rene Sugar wrote that Microsoft lied about whether the hard disk serial number could identify the user. In a strict legal sense it can identify the *machine* (assuming that you get some affidavits from disk drive manufacturers that the machine readable serial number is in fact unique). But it can't identify who was sitting at the keyboard operating the machine.

Sadly the distinction between these appears to be lost on the courts.

Dear mr. Allen,
maybe you should pay attention that neither your system are certified for use with Windows Vista Ultimate.
1) The Dell Precision 650 is certified for Windows 2000 operating system family and for Windows XP
2) The Sony VAIO VGC-RA710G is certified for Windows XP MCE and Windows Vista Home Premium only

Allen's complaint about AMD lying.... couldn't it just be some poor non-techie helpdesk person reading verbatim off of some internal fact sheet that has an error... a numerical mistake.... especially since they seem to be going on the information from DELL and not ATI's own records...

Is that so unlikely? 


So many items packed into one...

My comment on the the X1950 Pro:
Have you actually confirmed with Dell the Precision 650 supports Vista and have updated drivers? That seems like an older system and I have gotten replies from computer makers telling me they don't have updated drivers for my aging systems.

Secondly, have you tried Intel that their E7505 chipset have fully compatible Vista drivers?

In both cases, I could not find any hints of Vista drivers on google. Vista may have compatible generic drivers / sub-optimal drivers? Now I don't have a Vista system (still using XP) nor a motherboard with E7505 chipset so I wouldn't know.

The reply about 33 mhz bus is likely incorrect but could also be a result of sub-optimal chipset drivers just to get system running.

AGP 8x is backwards compatible with AGP 4, 2, and 1x but the "AGP bus" speed is always 66 mhz and 32-bit wide so I have no idea where the 33 mhz bus comes into play.

The 533mhz listed by Intel and noted in pics are actually the FSB (CPU-Northbridge).

My guess is your computer is not actually operating at 8x AGP and you probably don't have Vista drivers for your chipset.

in regards to allen's Q, he is getting mixed up with CPU FSB and the bus of the AGP,
your right allen the cpu runs at 533mhz, the agp port which your x1950 AGP plugs into is 66mhz (if its AGP 2.0 spec) if not 33mhz,your question is just getting mixed up in translation

Allen Harkleroad should learn how to read. Brian Sherman is not talking about bus speed of the processor, He is talking about the bus speed of the chipset. On any system that has agp slot and pci slots they work on a bus system measure in mhz. The pci system has a bus speed of 33 mhz. That was what he was refuring to.
Quote "Specifically, the Intel E7505 chipset based motherboard has an onboard bus speed of 33 mhz,".
The second thing Mr. Allen Harkleroad should of done was google his machine like I did. And he would of found this bit of info http://www.dell.com/downloads/us/products/precn/ws650_spec.pdf.
Under graphics support you will notice that only Fire GL and Quadro are supported. And just to stop further arguments I will add to my information. The 533 mhz bus Allen is referring to is the speed between the processor and the North chip and then to the ram. Anything else that is connected to the northchipset works of of a sub system. From the north chip to any other chip, works off of 33 mhz bus for example: pci slots, onboard internet connectors, onboard sound. The only thing that doesn't is the agp slot. It works on a 66 mhz bus.

to the guy above me...this is whats in the PDF 

244 A DIV Instruction Followed Closely By Other Divide
Instructions May Yield Incorrect Results

Description
A DIV instruction with a divisor less than 64 that is followed in close proximity by a DIV, IDIV, or
AAM instruction may produce incorrect results.

Potential Effect on System
Possible data corruption.

Suggested Workaround
Contact your AMD representative for information on a BIOS update.

Fix Planned
Yes

And the other one mentioned

Suggested Workaround
Contact your AMD representative for information on a BIOS upgrade.

Fix Planned
Yes.

If your going to "quote" something atleast get it right and not change it.