In this translated article you'll find the latest update on the KDE 3.5/4.0 comarison.

They explain that KDE 4.0 uses 20%+ more memory than KDE 3.5, but that the improvements justify the greater requirement. They also explain the difference between this update and the original report

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The guy didn't do it right!!!

http://www.jarzebski.pl/read/kde-3-5-vs-4-0-round-two.so

Offensichtlich hat jemand dem Author den Kopf gewaschen und erklärt wie man Speichernutzung richtig misst. Die neuen Zahlen schaun schon realistischer aus:

http://www.jarzebski.pl/read/kde-3-5-vs-4-0-round-two.so

Dabei kommt er für KDE3 auf ca. 97 MB, was zu den Programmen die er gestartet hat passt. Also diesmal denke ich stimmt die Messung. Für KDE4 misst er ca. 170 MB, wobei da ein sehr grosser Batzen davon für OpenGL draufgeht, weil Composite eingeschalten war und sämtliche Fenster (verdeckt oder nicht) als Graphik im Ram gehalten werden.

Wäre noch Interessant was genau rauskommt man das ausschaltet (oder bei der Messung für Kde3 zusätzlich Compiz Fusion verwendet)

kde is a much more welcome component than the usually blander-than-cardboard-pitifully-sad- gnome-toting "default" gui "used by distros", like that 'non-entry' ubuntu (lol). so, to be a linux poser, like yourself, i 'have to' use "the default desktop used by distros"? because kde is "Too little, too late" because "Everyone has switched to Gnome already"? you can keep the ugly cardboard...

I've not seen anything productive added to desktops since CDE.

Has docks, quick virtual displays, widgets/gadgets etc.

Basicly nothing new since then beyond the wheel and sincing a anchour is still easier on control and level of user<>computer input/output.

If I want eye candy i will go play with the extra's on DVD menu's. If I want to do a task I want to see the task and not the task laid onto a combination of playboy on acid with distracting animations and more detail in everything but the content that your working on. If your doing a text file you just need to see the text and not be distracted about silly things like transparency levels and other eye fetishism's. It only eats your time away and if you have so many option you end up spending more time playing with the options than you do upon the task you actualy wanted to use the computer in the first place.

That said I do like to play options like the best of them. Hence desktops like Vista, KDE, GNOME I treat any interaction akin to playing a game on my computer. But for work I keep it simple, so I can make the work detailed and exact. not its surroundings. Also its a pain as once you get it how you like a upgrade or update appears and offers you new options or a fresh start at all the options. Its a vicious circle - funky eye-candy desktops are like drugs - respect them as such and you will do just fine :).

Enlightenment (e17) shows that you can have eye candy without hogging resources.

The Devs of KDE an Gnome still don't get that. At least XFCE tries to be efficient, but it's starting to get bloaty too.

Color me unimpressed with the KDE 4 footprint.

The guy who originally stated this had his results widely criticised (particularly by the KDE developers) and has done a more methodologically robust count, which shows KDE 4 using ... more memory than KDE 3. Unsurprising, for an alpha^Wbeta^Wrelease candidate. See story here: http://www.jarzebski.pl/read/kde-3-5-vs-4-0-round-two.so

Scott Jordan, as soon as you load everything you need (a browser, term, mailer) you need more ram with fvwm, then with KDE.

Willy, Slackware got rid of gnome entirely, for many good reasons. Like it ishellish to support..

Plus, gnome needs a lot more ram than KDE even today. Or last year.

Like it was shown here:
http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html

But why debian uses the less free, more memory hungry gnome, instead of the more free KDE is really hard to explain? 
Stupidity? Inertia?


Slackware uses KDE standard, and not Gnome. It is by no means just for immature distributions.

I'm Running XP and IE6 with 180MB. Someone mentioned to me that they typically only use 128MB on KDE3... so KDE4 should be even less... If it's "only" 228MB for basics, that's still not very impressive compared to XP . . .

It's a popular jocular way of saying it NoOne, open sauce, yeah it's intentional, in fact the inq people almost always uses that term.

> The only bit that seems to take up more memory is the kwrapper.

They must have forgotten to flush it...

I've always preferred KDE to Gnome, but all Linux desktops have tended to be a bit top heavy memory wise, compared to my tried and trusted workhorse W2K.

I hope the final release version will maintain the memory usage improvement, although it would be nice if it could go still lower.

It would be great to have something with the eye candy of Vista, with the memory footprint of W2K.

Big ask? Yes, but if someone can pull it off it would be a winner.

You're new here aren't you..

Can we not just get the best features of KDE, merge it into Gnome and call it Knome and let the developers join forces? Competition in open source sounds like a waste of brain power to me.

This is not RC2 software. It is buggy, incomplete, laggy. It probably shouldn't be released for another 6 months and definitely not in 1-2 months.

GNOME: from Mexico to the World!

I've used it. I like it. Its like a crispy mix between Mac OS and Windows. 

KDE is... more of a Windows clone.

Too litlte, too late. What matters is the default desktop used by distros... and right now the most popular use:

Ubuntu: Gnome
RedHat/Fedora: Gnome
SUSE SLED: Gnome
Debian: Gnome

Only the entry-level distros like Linspire and Mandriva continue with KDE...

Debian 4.0 arrives
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8547892609.html

"The default desktop environment is GNOME, but alternative CD images are now available for KDE and Xfce."


Typo or just a bad joke?

This is encouraging and I always liked the KDE desktop the best.
Microsoft could learn something from this but I already believe that MS makes their DRM infected crap-ware more bloated every time on purpose.
Have a great day,
Regulas

60% of *way* too much is still too much, especially since so much of it goes towards supporting ancillary crap. If I wanted my hardware resources pissed away I'd be running ME2.

FVWM gets the same work done, faster, with less bloat, and with a lot less fiddling. 

ScottJ

KDE is still very much alpha software, so not everything is there yet. For e.g. the panel is half baked, as are most of the "service" type applications.

KDE4 is currently nothing more than a bare shell with all the "cool" stuff ready and waiting to be used.

I highly suspect KDE4 to be similar in requirements to 3.x and Gnome 2.20 + Compiz

I'm really glad that L'inq now pays attention to Open Source movement. It would be even better if you guys, advertised for it stronger, cause nowadays Linux is a real alternative to Windows. Most hardware works out from the box, you can watch DVD's, listen to MP3's, chat over the Internet, create spreadsheets and presentations and live free without worms, trojans and viruses.