What a brilliant stroke of dumb ass, have a guy who hates NVIDIA write an objective review. Kind of what you'd expect from the Inquirer, more pompous ass writing from the daily wipe.

A tad less venom would have made this readable.

As it is, this is not review, preview or anything of the sort. It is an attack, whether merited or not.

You may be 100% correct, however, you deliver your message like a pissed off 13 year old.

Can we dispense with the 'witty' remarks next time? That was one of the hardest articles I've ever read, it would have been easier to read if you substituted all the vowels for numbers.

Next time, put a list of features / dates in bullets at the top. Then in the next bazillion paragraphs talk about how NV are evil and stole your left testicle etc. etc. This way we get the useful info, and can ignore the rest unless you too, had your left testicle stolen by NV.

Charlie you rants are totally useless. Your like a kindergarden kid who cant get what you want. Nvidia pulls some underhanded stunts so does ATI so does Intel so does AMD. But any time there is some crappy article about nvidia sucking and screwing up there you are bashing like a 14 year old i have stopped looking at this crap pls Inq get rid of charlie!!

Just to put Charlies rants in perspective, Here's some links about ATI _actually_ _caught_ cheating with their drivers to run faster benchies. Why don't you ever talk about those, eh Charlie? 


http://www.techspot.com/vb/all/windows/t-8579-ATi-cheating.html

http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f22/ati-cheating-anistropic-filtering-w2s-4985/

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/16715


http://forums.gamedesign.net/viewtopic.php?t=6317&sid=140534f6da1107a7d1a3f301814e9053

wow.. you totally got it out of your system now.. dint ya?!? well, of all, this one seemed like the most desperate article. hope you sleep better..
but really enjoyed a pathetic display of aggression today.. nothing's gonna change though

The reason using the GPU for the physics in Vantage is considered cheating is that it's supposed to be a CPU bound test, that is, it;s only job in life is to test how good your CPU is. Now if all of a sudden you allow your GPU to run this test instead (using CUDA) it's no longer a CPU test but instead, a GPU test so the score you get is meaningless.

Is there no end to Dodgy Chuck's endless tirades against nVidia?

Give it a rest Chuck - we get you don't like nVidia.

In the mean time I have yet to observe any increase in failure rates of nVidia video and motherboard chipsets.

It all appears to be a hurricane in Chuck's teacup.

CD Baric

Charlie we think its great you dislike nvidia but I'd probably take their motherboard gpu over Intel's extreme crap.

I read this article as a HowTo on building a presentation (or a HowNotTo to be more precise).
In any case, as much as I appreciate your efforts to thoroughly trash this corporate-sponsored piece of Nvidia PR trash, I cannot help but think okay, it's a company blabbering on its own products.
They're not going to pan it, right ?
I never read corporate PR spins anyway. I prefer getting my benchmarks from independent sites and making up my own opinion.

Heh, we all know the green goobers suck the moose's third hind leg, but c'mon, Jen has to protect his phony performance bonus somehow!

""The next slide, 23, shows that they can do 7.1 PCM over HDMI, again months and years after Intel and ATI, respectively. The Americans are nowhere near Baghdad, we will crush their tanks...""

780G/790G cannot do 7.1PCM over HDMI. Only 2.0

Delayed to the day after Apple's next MacBook launch? Because Apple requested this, or to bury hardware reviews in the aftermath of an Apple event?

I agree that the only important detail is TDP if it will be used in mobile applications, but for the rest of the article I'm wondering if an NVIDIA exec killed your parents in cold blood in the past or something.

I know Charlie is heavily biased against nVidia so I take most of his rants against them with a grain of salt. What I don't understand is how nVidia's FREE upgrade to all 8xxx+ GPUs to support PhysX in hardware is cheating? 

It gives me full PhysX support for FREE rather than having to buy a card that was over $200 when it came out and still $120+ now. I and other nVidia graphics users get better visuals and effects at no extra cost and Charlie is all bent out of shape. Why? Is it because he is jealous that he cannot do the same with his AMD/ATI cards? It certainly reeks of sour apples to me.

AMD had gotten supremely arrogant when they got the CPU performance crown with the advent of their Athlons and got even more so with Intel's hideous Pentium 4s. They mostly sat on their laurels and for some unfathomable reason didn't expect Intel to fight back? It may have taken Intel 7 years but they reclaimed that crown because, first and foremost, AMD stopped innovating after their first set of Athlon64s.

Now AMD is overextended because it paid WAY too much for ATI and caused such a huge mess that they missed an entire product cycle. They can only compete currently by slapping multiple GPUs on a single card. Something that is NOT very cost effective and certainly hard on your electric bill. The only thing saving their bacon is some poor chip packaging materials/designs by nVidia.

At the end of the day, nVidia is giving more value for your purchasing dollars by including hardware PhysX support for free. When faced with similar or near price-performance ratios, the nVidia cards are clearly superior in value because of the additional hardware PhysX functionality.

So again, I must ask, how is their inclusion of hardware PhysX support cheating on the benchmarks when it reflects the same functionality you get in real-life games?

Ok I despise Nvidia as much as the next guy but this isnt even a review of anything; its just a glorified roast. I wish I could get the information I'm looking for without having to search through a clutter of "witty" remarks.

The PhysX benchmarks aren't using different workloads. It is the same workload, different API implementations. That's like saying a graphics benchmark is unfair because GPUs are better suited for it than a CPU. The workload is identical, especially if the CPU has a driver written for the API, in which case the app isn't even aware there's a difference. But given CPUs suck so badly at graphics no-one has really bothered implementing such a thing.

Do you folks hate NV more or less than MS? Just wondering...

Quote "The next slide, 23, shows that they can do 7.1 PCM over HDMI, again months and years after Intel and ATI, respectively."

Intel yes, ATI no. ATI does NOT have an IGP motherboard that supports 7.1 LPCM over HDMI. The Nvidia 8200/8300 and Intel G35/G45 do. 

The ATI 48xx/46xx series GPU's have multi-channel LPCM support over HDMI but it's not an IGP.

This has to be some kind of record. I realize that NV isn't exactly smelling like a rose these days but could you have found one nice thing to say?

It's like you want the NV fanboys to use you or sniper practise.

... but Charlie, this one was plain and simply STUPID.

Let me point out just a few parts that helped your credibility go the way of the Dodo:

The 3D Mark Vantage:
I mean... "OMG!! they cheated because they have a technology that does Phisics far better than any CPU!!!!!111 one one!"

- Seriously? I mean... should we just do it the old fashion way and stay like that??

"Wow, talk about unethical. They picked the slowest possible three generation old Intel IGP and compared it to a non-released cutting edge NV part. "

Welcome to the real world, where there are still TONS of 945G selling. G31 is 3 generations old? Geee... as far as I remember, G4 is the next one... if it where 3 generations old, then we would be in... uhm... G6? Reality check, pal.

"five, paid-for demos that use GPU acceleration. They are the aforementioned Badaboom, folding@home, MotionDSP (NV owns a chunk of it), TMPGenc and TotalMedia Theater. Be still my beating heart, five apps vs how many for x86? I"

x86 has been around for more than a couple of decades. CUDA, no more than a year, and you say: "Five apps vs. all of the x86"?. That has got to be the most stupid rant I've ever read.

Last reality check for you, Charlie: Yeah, sure... AMD 780G, 790GX and whatnot. Yeah, they DO perform better, but you DO know what CPU they use? Let me give you a hint: it only owns 8% of the global market share. MARKET AND BUSINESS wise, its totally irrelevant. Better fight for the larger portion of the pie, no? Say the one Intel has. Can AMD do a chipset for Intel? Don't think so.

I love The INQ. They usualy make my day... but this rant is so bad its not funny. Pitty. And shame on you.

I've been an Nvidiot for years and still see my 8800 GTX as probably the best card they will ever make. I paid $500 for it almost two years ago and it still is in the upper 75% in performance compared to the newer models. 

Anyways, Nvidia has no problem it seems sinking to the lowest common denominator. While I don't agree with everything Charlie says a lot of it is true. With the overpricing of their cards, BS marketing, IMAP policy, chip cover-up, and awful, awful drivers (TRD Errors for the last 2 years) and horrible GPU naming scheme I'm really getting tired of this company.

In another six months or so when I build my next PC I'll be picking up an ATI card. With Nvidia and their incompetence, they make that a pretty easy decision.

Anyway:
1) Google didn't buy Valve
2) EVGA and XFX are still with nVidia
3) AMD is still planning on releasing Bobcat.
4) Nvidia is still making chipsets

Enough?

Because we have seen how it works. better performance(due to physx)=more fps=is not cheating. if that more fps was not present in the equation then you may have had said the truth before.

Did they kick your butt hard for being lazy onthe job, Charlie? Instead of just focusing your attention on bashing Nvidia, which if people care enough about, sees Nvidia file bankruptcy, enabling DAAMIT once again to raise their prices on GPU's, leaving us average users for dead. We need Nvidia to survive to keep getting good goods from AMD @ lower prices. You're just jealous, charlie, that you have no life. If you really want to do something for the world, try and expose the other money-ppl of the planet too. Apple/ipod? Are you listening... 

I own a 9800GX2 which i bought for $270, and it is much faster than anything AMD has to offer @ this price. Stfu charles... u don't have a clue what u talk about.

Haha i'm sure you had a lot of fun writting this article. Each slide a brand new opportunity for constructive criticism. Makes me wonna write for the Inq myself ;)

Do these parts come with extended warranty so anyone dumb enough to buy it can send it back when it fails, or are the chips mounted in zip sockets for fast user changing?

NOT.

I'm surprised the NV Fanboys haven't shown up in droves to condemn this article, as they do all others written by Charlie. NV is now catching up to Intel and ATI on IGPs, a year later. That's great for anyone who intends to NOT install a PCI-e card in their system. I did and I'm glad I chose ATI. The real fun will come when ATI releases it's new Notebook platform....

You can't expect anything better from them. I just hope they don't buy Transmeta... I don't want toxic green water running in the x86 pipelines. =P


"Slide 12 is equally laughable, it says that the CPU is two cores and the NV IGP is a '16 core CUDA processor'"

ROFL hahahahahahahaha
16 "cores" LOL at least they know how to crack jokes.