Nvidia G92s and G94 reportedly failing
Desktop boards this time
NVIDIA IS IN DEEP trouble over the defective parts problem, and from what we're being told, this is only the tip of the iceberg. NV still insists on stonewalling and spinning because the cost of owning up to the problem could very well sink the company.
If you haven't been following the story, the short version, up till now, is that all G84 and G86 chips are bad. Nvidia is blaming everyone under the sun, but denying they have any hand in the failures. While this may sound plausible, technical analyses by people intimately involved in the requisite semiconductor technologies tell The INQ that it is a bunch of bull: NV simply screwed up. Badly. If it was a problem with the suppliers, NV would not be paying out more than the chip cost, much less gagging OEMs: it would simply be passed along.
In any case, the official story is that there was a small batch of parts given only to HP that went bad. That was comprehensively proved wrong when Dell, Apple, Asus, Lenovo and everyone else under the sun also had problems. NV AR recalled the parts and recanted the story about it only being an EOL test run. Bad fibbers, no cookie. They still stuck to the story about it being only laptop parts, and that it was under control.
If you think it is under control now, the following is part of an email sent Monday by a very tech-savvy reader. "We just got our first casualty from the Nvidia mobile graphics [expletive deleted]. Laptop used by one of our senior engineers started acting up this past weekend. Won't boot except in SAFE mode. Called Dell, they tried a few things, gave up, stated it was the graphics module, and said that because they were SO swamped dealing with that issue, they were just going to send a completely new laptop!"
There are two messages here which have echoes in earlier emails received over the past few weeks. First is that Dell is replacing full laptops over this, contrary to what they claim (read the comments here and here for more). The second is that the small 'under control' problem is far from that. If they had a handle on it, they would not be so far behind and drowning in backorders. Anyone want to bet Dell isn't going to get stuck with the bill here?
To make matters more laughable, the fix that NV is forcing on Dell, HP and everyone else does not fix the problem, it simply makes it less likely to occur during the warranty period. With HP now offering an extended warranty period, and Dell looking likely to do the same, this will only multiply the cost. Add in the fact that Nvidia is sending out defective parts as replacements (there are no good ones), and you have a recipe for a long and expensive tale.
That is where we stand now - NV is simply stonewalling everyone and the costs are adding up. How adult of them. The question of why still remains though, and with another little tidbit of information, it becomes quite clear. There was a digitimes article on July 25, here if you are a subscriber, that said: "Due to Nvidia not clearly explaining the details of the faults reported in its notebook GPUs, some channel vendors have demanded graphics card makers issue a recall for desktop-based discrete graphics cards using the same GPU core, according to sources at graphics card makers."
Reading that, it sounds a mite odd: why would Nvidia keep the partners in the dark like that? They have to be told what the real story is for business reasons, right? When you see stories like these, it is very likely that they are not what they seem, and that the story is simply a nice face-saving Asian 'hello' applied with a backhand.
A little digging revealed what this, and more, is all about, and it's far uglier than just the 'notebook' version. It seems that four board partners are seeing G92 and G94 chips going bad in the field at high rates. If you know what failures look like statistically, they follow a Poisson distribution, aka a bell curve. The failures start out small, and ramp up quickly - very quickly. If you know what you are looking for, you can catch the signs early on. From the sound of the backchannel grumblings, the failures have been flagged already, and NV isn't playing nice with their partners.
Why wouldn't they? Well, the G92 chip is used in the 8800GT, 8800GTS, 8800GS, several mobile flavours of 8800, most of the 9800 suffixes, and a few 9600 variants just to confuse buyers. The G94 is basically only the 9600GT. Basically we are told all G92 and G94 variants are susceptible to the same problem - basically they are all defective. Any guesses as to how much this is going to cost?
From the look of it, all G8x variants other than the G80, and all G9x variants are defective, but we have only been able to get people to comment directly on the G84, G86, G92 and G94, and all variants thereof. Since Nvidia is not acknowledging the obvious G84 and G86 problems, don't look for much word on this new set either - if they can bury it, it will drop their costs.
In the end, what it comes down to is that the problem is far bigger than they are admitting, and crosses generational lines, process lines, and OEM lines. Nvidia is quick to point the finger at everyone but themselves, but after a while, the facts strain those cover stories well past breaking point. There is a common engineering failure here - this problem is far too widespread for it to be anything else. The stonewalling, denials and partner gagging is simply a last-ditch attempt at wallet covering.
With OEMs extending warranties, Nvidia is going to have to cover a lot of laptops for a long time. Desktop boards are going bad as well now, contrary to the statements of Nvidia PR and AR, and the hole keeps getting deeper and deeper. I wonder if they can ever come clean and survive. µ

Comments
the rabbit hole...
Charlie:I have a HPDV2412ca laptop, containing a Geforce GO6150 mGPU. HP's site says it is also affected, in case you were wondering how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Of course, we cannot get a straight answer from HP on what to do about this (apparently all other models BUT this one can flash the bios). I did not buy this thing to have it expire in a year or two. So no more HP or nVidia for me. The end.
Jumped ship on....
I was originally a ATI person with a 9800pro then decided to go NVIDIA with a 4600 ti ( hot hardware at the time). Stayed an NV man till the original 7900GT fiasco pissed me off with 4 RMA's, needless to say I was video card less for 2+ months. I'm glad they're burying themselves, been buying ATI again since the 1800XT and just picked up a 4870. Don't be a NV sucker.G94 it is
Hi, just got on a shelf a deffective 9600GTO card which needs to be sent for replacement. Due to the fact that all it displays are vertical lines we thought it may be the memory or memory controller.Or maybe it's the GPU? Well ... nice to hear that. Good thing its a friend's and I'm only using ATI :)
what abt G84/86 re-badging
I just bought myself a fancy 18" Acer 8920Gthe Nvidia component is a 9500M GS
GPUZ reports this as a G84 part.
should i be looking at extending the warranty?
Maybe notebooks but not desktop GPUs
Desktop RMAs for NVIDIA desktop video cards are still under 1 percent. If there were more problems as you describe I'm sure you would have some USA state attorneys filing lawsuits against NVIDIAGlad I have a 8800GTX
Glad I have a 8800GTXG92 overheating
Some of the G92 8800GTS's/GT's have had absolutely hideous heat issues for a while now. Look up nvlddmkm.sys on nVidias forums or anywhere else and you'll find hundreds and hundreds of pages of people unable to get their cards running properly due to crashes (bluescreens in xp, graphics system reboots in vista). Mine would fail at 50C every time until I RMA'd it, nvidia's official response is "update yoru drivers and bios it's not our problem". Oh yeah, and releasing new drivers that sped up the fan.Inq should be sued at this point.
Honestly guys, isn't Charlie becoming a liability at this point? All this Nvidia flaming is going to add up and before you know it, litigation isn't far away. I have 3, (three) G92 based GPU's and have beat the living crap out of them. O/C, numerous drivers, SLI, non SLI, you name it. Shouldn't they have failed me by now? Charlie shouldn't be allowed to cover Nvidia articles any more. Let Paul do it. Much more level headed. And if there is really something wrong, it is not sensationalized.How many years already?
This is not a recent problem. I've had very high failure rates with the 7900GS and 7900GT too. I ended up replacing those with ATI cards.I really don't understand why people are so much in love with nVidia. They keep screwing up but still ... 5950Ultra turned out to be almost half the speed of 9800XT couple years later, same applies to 7900GTX vs X1950XTX too. Broken firewall in NF4. Data corruption ...
Their CIA-style marketing department works wonders.
Really?
What incentives are you getting from Ati? Your predecessor was given a crossfire motherboard, correct?Why not bitch some more in every article and make ridiculous comments just for attention. And while you're at it, start complain about both sides sticking it to the customer.
Grow up.
Missing quotes
I hate when I open an Inq article and there's no quote on top. I couldn't even read the piece.Comparison
of chips. My friend owns a Lan Center / GC and here's a cross section of his BFG's:6 series (66 GT/68 GT/68 ultra): they're starting to fail this last year
7 series (76 GT, 79 GT, 7950GT): No failures, yet
8 series (86 GTS, 88 GT 512, 88 GTS 512): 86 no issues, 8800 GT single slots 50% failure rate, 8800 GT single slot space "upgrade" no failures, 8800 GTS no failures.
9 series: 9800 GTX, no failures.
All of his major failures are tied up in the 8800 GT cards, some of them were replaced 4 or 5 times until he moved a card out of the slot immediately below the intake fan down one slot. Magically the failures stopped. I shouldn't say magically, did you ever listen to an 8800GT fan?
9600GT here
I've had my G94 9600GT for 4 months. No problems so far.I hope G9x doesn't suffer from the same G8x packaging issue.
55nm G92 (9800 gtx+) ?
What about the latest 55nm G92 (9800 gtx+) part? They are reported to be running cooler than their predecessors. I have the new eVGA part sitting here boxed up waiting to go.Racists
What the heck is a "nice face-saving Asian 'hello' applied with a backhand."An "Asian" hello? What the hell is that?
In addition to having some of the worst writing skills of any website, you now publish racist stereotyping articles too?
Charlie should be fired for that crap!
Poisson != Bell Curve
Oh My God. Do you actually do any reasearch?A Poisson Distribution is NOT a bell curve, you idiots.
A Poisson is Asymmetric. A bell curve is a "NORMAL" distribution.
You guys just get dumber and more irresponsible as the days go by.
(heat)sink
From what I heard it was a supporting chip not the main GPU that has the issue, if that's so then yeah it crosses all platforms and types of GPU because it's not the GPU itselfAlso that should be fixable then either by replacing the part, but that's costly, or slapping on a heatsink to extend its lifetime past the normal renewal cycle of graphics cards/notebooks.
(Incidentally, this can sink nvidia OR can sink charlie, depending what's the truth in the end, perhaps charlie will end up working with fudo again?)
Not good.
I see Nvidia suing The Inquirer very soon, you clearly can't go around ranting blatent lies like Charlie does.His NVidia and anything related hate it clear.
Ditch this guy before he sinks your ship.
Good news for AMD
Jen-sun must be really up to his eyeballs in crap about all this. Serves him right for being such an egotistical *******.Problems with graphics chips and chipsets. What product next? Er... none.
Checkmate. Whether they own up to it or not, it will have long-term repercussions on Nvidia.
If only AMD had pulled off the Phenom right, they'd be really kicking everyone's ass.
Comments
Serious Charlie, what's up with this article? One reader already mentioned the horrible lack of a red comment underneath the title.I suggest this be edited & the comment added. Something like "Shock, horror & disbelief"
Cheers.
I have a XFX 8800GTS
It has been running great for over six to eight months with no problems, I guess if it craps out on me I may look at ATI this time until Nvidia straightens this mess out. I have always like Nvidia better.The new 260 and 280GTX performance reviewed at Tom's hardware is really good. 260GTX would be my choice and would give it some consideration if I bought a new video card right now for my Gigabyte X38 motherboard.
Nvidia problems not recent
One of our desktops is seven years old. The only problem it has ever had is the is the display loop if which an Nvidia adapter is part of the loop. The monitor will not "boot" until the system is fully booted. If the monitor is powered on before the a system start up boot completes, the monitors power light will just blink. The fix - power off and power on the monitor or wait until the start up boot completes. Years ago we swapped out monitors on this system because we thought it was the monitor. But once the power up is complete, the runtime performance is good.Long live HD CRTs!
OK, but...
We build custom systems, use both ATI and nVidia. Both brands, per card sold, give us the same failure rate. The 9600GT has been extremely popular, probably due to price/performance. It's failure rate has been extremely low, the only failures so far have been due to bad soldering of components by nVidia partners. The 8800GT has also given us a low failure rate. The 7800GTX was bad, period, and the 7900 not much better.nshitia
well,Nvidia never had any advantage over ATI till they realsed the the 8000 series.Now ATI stroke again with their 4800 series cards.
The 4850 beats the 9800gtx/gtx+ and the 4870 competes directly with the 280gtx.It actually beats the 280gtx in a lot of games. "techreport,legitreview"
So,nvida is better no more.especially with their F* up prices.
Yet not talking about their crappy quality.
Salt&Pepper
Well, like every other Inq article i take it with a bit of salt. And pepper. In this case i recommend you all nay sayer to READ the article..FOLLOW the links, before you cant say nay.It is a pretty long read and after a bit of more researching is not far from the truth either. The only reason why we don't have more PCIE GPUs dead, it is because desktop Pcs have much better ventilation. Thus reaching fewer (or none) times to critical TDP.
@the poster that bought the Acer.
Buy the extended warranty while they let you buy it.
I take my hat off to the author and keep it rocking !! This is the Inq, For Fack Sake.
Seeing the dead laptops in the field
I fix home PCs, and I am seeing the dead laptops. Mostly HP, but also Dell and a few other brands (in proportion to OEM sales figures).I have an HP DV9000 with an affected nVidia chip, and it has more miles on it than my car: it's been back four times.
Give Charlie his due
NVidia fanbois:You can't sue someone just because you don't like what he writes. You have to prove that the information is incorrect, AND that he had malicious intent.
Charlie is a reporter, digging out facts and reporting them. Like any good reporter, he doesn't print what he can't corroborate from different sources. You're too used to listening to the main stream media whores, who bloviate their opinions as facts, and spin is in.
Not his fault NVidia is tanking, blame Jen or whatever his CEOness is called. Me, I'm glad I don't own any NVidia stock at this time.
And personal success with only three NVidia parts does not constitute a large enough sample upon which to base any intelligent decisions.
Strangely...
Strangely, I recall reading a few months ago that the 8800GTs were being made to run at higher than safe speeds. The interesting insight comes from something I read when the tropical summer was beginning. There a were murmurs that the 8800GTs were failing in the hotter tropical regions since the ambient temperatures are a lot warmer than most of the US or europe. It might just be that Charlie is right...Oh and yes, we want the quotes on the top of the page back.
Red Lines
I'm sure most will remember the red lines that the factory o/ced 8800GT generates just before a complete system lock. You'll read alot of it on the forums (maybe last year).Well for those ones, I don't believe it was the G92 chip itself but rather the crappy memory (qimonda) it came with. Everything works fine after downclocking the memory. Guess that's why later 8800GTs use other brands of memory like hynix.
Damn it
I generally go ATI with my new machines, but my last build I put in a 8800GTS (G92). I'm ecstatic to hear about how it very well could be a defective part. Fantastic.It has performed amazingly for the last 6 months now. I think my machine has crashed once in that entire time running 24/7.
If the card dies, I'll not hestitate to run straight back to ATI
What about ATI?
Why is Nvidia always on here about their bad parts but never ATI?My Dell D630 Mobo replaced
I have a Dell D630 with an NV 135M GPU and the whole mobo needed to be replaced. It took 3 weeks for the technician to get one and he told me the new mobos were backordered.Most notebooks have GPUs soldered onto the mobos, and those are costly b/c u need to replace the mobo, GPU, chipset, all other components, etc...since you cannot really salvage the parts during production (too risky for the OEMs)...expensive, expensive
If the notebook uses an MXM module, then the costs will be lower since you only replace the module itself.
From looking at various notebooks, most are soldered on the mobo directly and the MXM are more geared towards higher end lines (ex. dual MXM modules, etc.) so NVs cost is definitely >$200M
Poisson = Fish
Isn't Poisson something to do with Fish? As in, there's something "fishy" going on?I have an 8800GTS-OC2-320MB card from BFG. But because I'm not playing video games all day long like some of youse, it still werks! Fancy That!
Actually it has a lifetime warranty. Plus I bought it on Amex so I have an extra year on top of that "lifetime + a year". I ain't too worried aboot it!
Heavy handed presumptions
I've been reading these articles with some interest but now your articles are starting to read like a vendetta. It seems you have a bone to pick and its getting progressively worse with each article.Presumptions and assumptions linked to existing problems are starting to come off only as inflammatory exaggerations. I have plenty of 8800s for over a year and none have "failed". Take a breath and read what you're writing. Repeating the same old tirade doesn't make your observations any more factual.
Oh dear.. just bought one
Just bought new 8800GT, made by palit. I hope my luck will be that palit has changed reference fan to something bigger.And btw Nvidia drivers works still much better than ATI in CommieOS (linux) (though AMD/ATI has promised to reveal some secrets of their cards to opensource driver developers so in future things might be different). If Nvidia starts to suck my only option would be perfectly-working-but-not-fast Intel graphic chip.
Charlie's lawsuit coming soon...LOL
Since nothing he says is proven I think he's writing checks his a$$ can't cash.The only thing KNOWN so far is there are some laptop issues with certain chips. NV already said it was fixed in silicon some time ago. They have 1.5B in the bank and make another 850Mil/year with no debt. They could take a Bil charge and laugh about it so he might as well quit ranting.
Why would HP already take partial blame? Seems to me manufacturers maybe didn't follow the guidelines NV stated for manufacturing this chip in notebooks? On top of all this Charlie conveniently forgets NV said the will SUE the maker of the chips. NV doesn't make these things they just design them. We already know it's not a DESIGN problem so NV won't get stuck with much of the bill in the end. Whoever MADE them will be hurting though (TSMC? UMC? whatever).
There's no news here, just more charlie rants. I have two 8800's and an 8600, no problems here and run silent/cool in all systems. Great cards even when I punish them with heavy gaming for hours on end.
I'll say it again charlie: NV doesn't make chips! Nvidia won't be stuck with the bill. You're the only one printing this crap. I'd expect to get sued at some point if I was you. Look up the definition of LIBEL.
It's started
I work at a mojor distributor of hardwareThe 8800GT's are starting to come back. After 50% failure rate on 8600GT's. The 61XX equipped motherboards also started coming back from three different manufacturers. Looks like a meltdown.
Where's the Fact?
I can't help but laugh when reading this article. Where does the author get off thinking that this is professional journalism! I understand hiding insider sources, but this author appears to blatantly invent his own sources ("the official story," "a little digging," "the sound of the backchannel grumblings," "from the look of it." Come ON! I can't honestly believe anything said here and I sincerely hope that other readers take a critical eye when reading this. I'd really like to "dig" and see what "backchannel" is paying the author to write this libel.So now what?
Hi, I've been reading theInq for a while now and this has been my first comment! Suffice to say with all these problems with the Nvidia mobile gfx what laptop am I supposed to get?! Seriously ATI doesn't really seem as integrated in the channels as they were some years back, I'm a student and was looking at getting the Toshiba Qosmio F50-10Z but there are really no ati/amd alternatives like this. You would have thought that AMD would have jumped at this opportunity to get a real market penetration! Well as it is looks like I'm still heading for the F50-10Z and what seems like dull RMA times ahead. Wish me luck!Poisson distribution?
it's one thing to state the obvious (chips are failing), and completely another to talk about things you don't know s**t about. Poisson distribution, my ass. More like normal distribution?Never had a good experience with Nvidia
I personally never had a good experience with Nvidia cards, the FPS sucked, color quality was bland, and the two cards I have owned and my friends cards all had these same issues an failed within a year.I have fallen for the Nvidia garbage for the very last time.
I'll never buy another Nvidia card as long as I live...another hats off to the Author btw...tell it like it is!
Tone
It's not that he's (always) wrong or (always) lies, it's just that the tone of the articles comes across like a little boy who's just found his daddy's porn stash.It's not pleasant to watch, and it's certainly not to be confused with the irreverant (and very welcome) stylings of the rest of the site. It's just pure spite.
Dell keeping quiet
I have a friend whose 3 month old dell laptop just died with symptoms unmistakeably caused by the 8400 graphics chip and when asked what the problem was dell gave an unspecific answer by saying the motherboard had to be replaced. If theyre dying in as little as 3 months how bad will it be when summer comes round here in oz with 30 -35C heat?!?Charlie is full of it
Just heard the nVidia conference call.Jen the CEO of nVidia said.....
They had a 196 million dollar write off for bad chip packaging and it wouldn't be any more then tht and they might actually get some money back. Also said they didn't even have to do what they did they were being nice to their partners.
Charlie is full of crap
Only hit less then 1% of their laptops G80s
Charlie full of crap
Still doing good in chipsets and their new one is late but coming soon.
Charlie is full of crap
Some other nuggets Charlie won't tell you.
-Jen let slip about iPhone with nvidia
-Taped out at 40nm
-GT200b out in Sept at a $399 retail price
I hope someone sues you Charlie you loser
I'm not blasting HP
Mine is a dv6500t - thats not covered under their claimed extended warranty list. However they still opted to let my laptop be taken for free repairs: now, they have fixed the 8400M GS in my system: it's been replaced with a new system board and they have given special attention to my heat sink array.As a result my laptop now runs 20 C cooler than it did before I sent it away.
So no, I don't fault HP - they likely didn't know anything about this fault when my laptop was purchased. But they were very happy to fix my problem with improved heat management (for free) and I'm happy with HP's service. Inquirer: please give them Kudos - The fault is Nvidia's not Dell or HP.
Lenovo Switched to ATI
I was browsing the Lenovo website last night and noticed that all of their newest models except for one SL series model now sport ATI graphics instead of the Nvidia's of previous offerings.Guess they made their choice.
IF these articles weren't true
... Then NVidia would have a ginormous case against The Inquirer. They'd be stupid to post such defamatory articles here if they weren't true. If NVidia sues the crap out of Charlie & The Inquirer over this, then maybe (and only maybe) the articles are really lies. You can pretty much guess these guys have done their homework before plastering egg all over NVidia's face for the entire world to see. If a posting like this can be remotely seen as causing NVidia's stock to drop (uh oh, it has) they have a case. But only if the information isn't true... Look at the writing on the wall. It's NOT looking good for the green team. Don't get me wrong, my next desktop was going to have an NVidia card in it. Actually two, but now I think I'll wait until all of the pieces fall where they may. If I were NVidia, I'd come clean. Period.Asian hello!
The impertinent U.K. white man looks down on Asia and waves a hand to U.S.A. and Canada.Please enjoy it.
From Japan.
Can't jump on Charlie's back yet!
He is yet to be disproved. And just because you flog your card doesn't mean it is going to fail. Wasn't the G84 and G86 problem due to hot/cold cycling? If you use your machine (say leave it on 24/7) then you'd probably get great life out of it.No sense getting all worked up about a story that isn't definitely wrong. Unless you guys can point out flaws, let's wait and see if Charlie is right eh?
next Inq article
from reliable sources i heard that next article on Inq will be:Geforce 256 SDR affected!
Charlie, calm down man, now it's becoming embarrassing
no failure
I've had no problems w/ my geforce cards.Does Charlie talk about anything else?
I love the INQ, visited it every day for years, but...I'm getting so sick of this repetitive story from Charlie, who constantly repeats himself even within each article.
Charlie, I think you need to just forget about Nvidia for a bit - it seems to be consuming you. All that hate cannot be good for your karma.
Sources
Some commenters seem to have forgotten what journalism isYou go out and find sources, get the dirt from them. You dont name them because you want to go back to them in future
If you want a link farm, go read slashdot
Slappi, re conference call Nvidia CEO,
why didn't he list the affected parts and the start and end dates of production. That way everyone will know just how many parts are affected, and customers can see if it includes them.Seeing NVidia act this way means I will definitely not buy any laptop, desktop or graphics card with NVidia chips of any type inside.
NVidia have no choice but to help their partners, else they won't have any partners left. Without partners who are they going to sell too?
Charlie does get a bit wound up, but in all fairness this is going to cost us ordinary people the most, and there seems precious little law forcing NVidia to come clean.
No Objectivity = No Credibility.
Yet more nvitriol from Charlie 'NVIDIA shot ma paw' Dementia-n.I can't bring myself to read any of his NVIDIA stories these days. That's sad because among all the bitterness is truth that goes unnoticed. This is the story of the man-boy who cried wolf. Charlie is an NVIDIA PR dream, he takes all their embarrassing shortcomings and reports them in rabid, angry style that destroys his own credibility and the stories along with it.
Please get someone else to do the NVIDIA editorials/stories from now on, that way I can get back to reading about what a bunch of asshats they are!
Switched to ATI
It should be apparent by now that Increased NV GPU failure rates are not due to faulty OEM laptop designs. How could HP, Dell, Apple, Lenovo, and others ALL produce improperly designed notebooks at the SAME TIME, that have only ONE COMPONENT CONSISTENTLY FAIL IN ALL OF THEM (NV GPUs, NOT ATI)?? Coincidences like that just don't happen in reality. NV notebook GPU's are failing on an ever widening scale (ATI GPU's are not) and Charlie isn't the only one reporting on that, but he is the only one with the stones to tell it like it is and call them on it rather than sugar coat it. Right here, numerous distributors, techs, and end users are reporting NV GPU failures. Go and read Dell forums and you'll see them being widely reported there as well but HP is burying those posts on their forums. It should be easy to see that OEMs aren't shoving NV under the bus because NV is paying a certain percentage of repair and replacement costs for them. The affected GPU's should be recalled, but that would Bury NV and start up the Barry White music and light dimming for when Intel makes that "booty call" to NV for the merger between them yet to come.I didn't bother waiting for the 6150 IGP on my mainboard to fail. I installed a Sapphire HD Radeon 2600PRO 512mb PCI-e and haven't looked back. I get 80 FPS at 1024X768 with everything on high in Half Life 2 and the Crysis Demo runs beautifully at 1024X768 with everything on Medium. My next notebook will not have an NV GPU.
Why not offer suggestions?
Instead of just flaming nVidia, why not offer readers suggestions to avoid problems with their chips? Water cooling? Case ventillation?Bueller?
I've been using 3 water cooled G92's since early this year, and I've not had a single problem. All of the temperatures stay low, thus avoiding problems caused by overheating.
My point is, if you're going to post articles about problems, why not offer possible solutions?
nVidia
Well, you'd all better hope nVidia survive this, or all you Ati lovers out there are going to see prices shoot through the roof when nVidia dies.Competition is the only reason you can get a great card for the cheap prices they're selling at these days.
If theres no competition, why make your cards cheap? especially when your phenom's are taking a beating. and since intel are far from creating any useful form of GPU, we';d all be royally f***************d
Keep practising...
Journalists reporting journalists. Does Charlie also so happen to work for the BBC?never again
my nvidia story:6600gt failed ( 1 year )
6200 failed ( 7 months )
7800gtx first DOA, second failed in less than a year
8600gt acting funny now ( vertical lines)
my next videocard = ATI
btw my old ati 9800 is still rocking.
Statistics...
I think all said here are statistics. Everything Fails. Everithings get hot! Tell me.. in the city i live the minimum temperature it's 30°C (86°F) and i have an nvidia 7900GS running at 60°C (140°F). Never have failde me. The one that failed me was an ATI x600 PRO, that crashes my windows everytime i try to play. And have know problems also with the x700pro and x800pro, that can´t display a thing. So... Do you think i can trust in this article? i trust in what i've seen.. damaged.It is happening
To all the nvidia fanboys trying to desperately down play this... yes it is happening. Get a life and stop thinking that your 'insert favourite brand here' is the best thing since sliced bread and would never possibly screw up. They all stuff up from time to time... so deal with it. Not every card will fall over so just because yours are fine doesn't mean someone else's will be as well.I'm a certified Toshiba tech for a large new zealand notebook repair company and the boys back at HQ are getting a markedly large increase in the rate of nvidia graphics card failures on toshiba notebooks. Add that up with dell, hp etc and yes IT IS A PROBLEM. I just hope they [nvidia/tmsc etc] sort it out quickly.
Funny how the guys in the industry already know about it and have put up a few posts about it, but the fanboys are the ones disputing it. We see the failures day to day - you don't, so get off your WoW armchair and go to your nearest service centre for the truth..
charlie is right..
I used to own a 7900gt and 7950gt.. both of them went bad after just 6 month. RMA'd them for 5 times.. then i just gave up.. ask anyone who ever own a 7900gt.. u'd be suprised.. i can even post dozens of forums where people complaining bout this failure.. even on nvidia's own forum.. so charlie is not entirely wrong.. thou he never mention 7900gt or 7950gt.. nvidia walked away clean with that probs.. they never admit it whatsoever.. and dont get me wrong.. im using an 8800gt now.. coz 3870 sux.. with 4870 performing better at perf/price ratio now, i might consider going ati for my next build..Nice Source!
The guy writting the article has the balls to quote "all G84 and G86 chips are bad" and as a source, sites his own article written less than a month ago. Where is the truth here?Be sure to read past all the angry fluff Charlie himself put near the top of the comments down to the point where some readers are calling for him to get sued for writting this.
Listen, I understand, I went to Best Buy fifteen years ago and was treated like crap. I wish at that time I had a national audience to write this kind of damning stuff to at that time. I am sure Nvidia is sorry now that your video card went out 3 months after its warranty. Get over it.
Interesting
I was actually thinking of getting an 8800GT, before the new ATI cards came out, I was still pondering, since I figured they'd come down in price.But alarmist or not, who wants to take the chance? I was gutted when my 9700Pro died because the heat pad detached. I had seen that the new x200 series cards had problems with Linux drivers too.
As for the racism, well, I'm guessing that will come back to bite him, especially given the nature of the business.
Why look for problems...could of been prevented a year ago
Some of you critics need to learn to stop creating problems....and just admit that u r doing it for the money to hate.....just like AMD vs. Intel.dont lose your balance
I love Charlie for keeping the focus on Nvidia. Otherwise Nvidia might silently sweep things under the carpet. and it will be us common folk who will get shafted... fanboys or not.But at the same time he should keep the perspective
a)Nvidia has a better reputation than ATI for manufacturing cool and energy efficient cards.
b) Nvidia sells more than ati. so it is natural to expect a higher failure rate
c)laptops have taken off only recently. especially laptops with graphics cards
All in all if NVIDIA cards are failing then I would be scared to buy any graphics card and stict to 780g/790g igp.
If forced to buy a graphics card I would buy ATI because they have more reliable driver. I still cant digest the fact that NVIDIA refused to create proper drivers for Vista till the RTM CDs were shipped out. I can definitely Understand Charlies Anger. It is due to NVIDIAs arrogance. tey treat their customers like dirt.
Melt down
seems theres alot of this going around.Just got my 260 gtx last week and as soon as i was giving Futuremark a run to test my card, my pc keeped crashing. So i desiderd to do some tests and found out my gpu was overheating at 102-c
with defolt drivers, nothing OC. after talking with XFX i got a card replacemant saying that i had a folty card and will nead to sent it back. I Just hope NV will fix its core heating probs befor thy lose thy custem as when my replacement card comes i hope that till wornt have same prob with defolt drivers.
8600 GTS - failed
MSI GeForce 8600 GTS - failed !!The Whole 4 months has perfected and conked. Has Sent in service while fate not clear. Expect the decisions of the service centre , where I have answered that I in my trouble not single.
NVidia 8800GT burnt out.
I have an NVidia 8800GT that has a burnt odour coming from it and that was before trying it in my machine.It was stinking when I opened the anti static bag!
It has never worked in over 6 days of trying NVidia's online support suggestions. Only now has my retailer accepted that it must be faulty and has sent me an rma so that they can try it. I did ask if they had many failures of this card to which the reply was "no, your card is the first".
I ask .......... do any of you that have had a card failure notice a burning smell from the faulty card?
Thanks.
Graeme.
8800gt
i always using nvidia cards from the riva TNT till my 8800gt i bought 6 months ago. never had a problem with them and my 8800gt runs at 56C idle (is summer here and temps are around 35) and at 65-70 at load and i punish it a lot and never had a problem. . The author is making a big deal since after a little research the problem is with some early 8800gt that were made without sufficient cooling plus th fan speed is set to low and you have to manually increase its speeddont buy a dell 13/1530
As a dell tech, Im seeing a lot of XPS 15 and 1330's blowing their GPU's - I am now repairing at least 2 a day and the tech-savvy people are physically checking their replacement motherboards and rejecting them as the REPLACEMENTS still contain the g86 chips - its not making nvidia any friends - thats for sureShould have stayed with ATI
After having been an avid ATI follower since the Radeon 7000, after its acquisition by AMD and the associated temportary drop behind nVidia, the GeForce 8800 GT prooved to much of a tempation towards the green corner.The failure of G92s has ensured that my loyalty to the red corner will now be unwavering.
Thanks NVidia for showing me that ATI is the way to go.
Arrrg 9600 GT failed
wonderful 5 months no probs, then odd pixelation and lines/squares and 2 days later completey failed, back to supplier with my asus 9600 GT just what i feared it's dead !!!! will be switching to Ati from now on.