All Nvidia G84 and G86s are bad
Comment No word on MCPs yet
THE BURNING QUESTION on everyone's mind is what Nvidia parts are failing in the field? No GT200 jokes here, NV personnel are still quite sensitive about that, but our moles have told us about the bum GPUs.
The short story is that all the G84 and G86 parts are bad. Period. No exceptions. All of them, mobile and desktop, use the exact same ASIC, so expect them to go south in inordinate numbers as well. There are caveats however, and we will detail those in a bit.
Both of these ASICs have a rather terminal problem with unnamed substrate or bumping material, and it is heat related. If you ask Nvidia officially, you will get no reason why this happened, and no list of parts affected, we tried. Unofficially, they will blame everyone under the sun, and trash their suppliers in very colourful language.
The press is totally stonewalled, but analysts are quite another story. If you call up with Wall Street credentials, they will tell you what is going on, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to be entirely accurate. What analysts tell me they were officially told is that it is a specific batch of parts that only HP got.
The official story is that it was a batch of end-of-life parts that used a different bonding/substrate process for only that batch. Once again, the trusty INQUIRER bullshit detectors went off so loudly that the phone almost vibrated out of my hand. More than enough people tell us both the G84 and G86 use the same ASIC across the board, and no changes were made during their lives.
When the process engineers pinged by the INQ picked themselves off the floor from laughing, they politely said that there is about zero chance that NV would change the assembly process or material set for a batch, much less an EOL part.
On the less technical side, multiple analysts also told us that NV specifically told them that this problem is confined only to HP. I wonder why Dell is having failures in huge numbers for their XPS lines and replacing them with ATI parts? Why is Asus having similar problems? Go check the message boards, any notebooks that came with G84s and G86s have boards filled with dead machine problems. Most of these, especially on the NV forums are being quashed and removed by admins, so act quickly and take screenshots of your posts.
Basically, NV seems to have told each analyst a highly personalised version of the story, and stonewalls everyone else who asks. Why? The magnitude of the problem is huge. If Dell and HP hold their feet to the fire, anyone want to bet that $200 million won't cover it? This has all the hallmarks of things the SEC used to investigate in a time before government was purchasable.
The other problem is the long tail. Failures occur due to heat cycling, cold -> hot -> cold for the non-engineers out there. If you remember, we said all G84s and G86s are affected, and all are the same ASIC, so why aren't the desktop parts dying? They are, you are just low enough on the bell curve that you don't see it in number that set off alarm bells publicly yet.
Laptops get turned on and off many times in a day, and due to the power management, throttle down much more than desktops. This has them going through the heat cycle multiple times in a day, whereas desktops typically get turned on and off once a day, sometimes left on for weeks at a time. Failures like this are typically on a bell curve, so they start out slow, build up, then tail off.
Since laptops and desktops have a different "customer use patterns", they are at different points on the bell curve. Laptops have got to the, "we can't bury this anymore" point, desktops haven't, but they will - guaranteed. The biggest question is whether or not they will be under warranty at that point, not whether or not they are defective. They are.
If you look at the HP page, the prophylactic fix they offer is to more or less run the fan all the time. Once again, for the non-engineers out there, fan running eats a lot of power, so this destroys the battery life of notebooks. Basically, people bought a machine with a battery life of X, and now it is Y to prevent meltdown from a bum part. It doesn't fix anything, it just makes the failures take longer, hopefully past the warranty period, at a huge battery life cost. Fire up your class actions people, you got shafted.
Back to the engineering, we intoned that this was a cover-up of engineering failures by Nvidia. We also said that they probably knew what was happening. Think we were kidding? Read this, twice, linked again here for those that can't move their mouse to the left, it is that important.
If we knew a year and change ago that these exact parts had heat problems, think Nvidia did? Think the voltage difference between A02 and A03 is coincidence? This is a classic example of not meeting engineering goals and overclocking through brute force (voltage bump in engineering terms) to compensate.
HP and the others were blindsided by this, it happened far too late in the design cycle to compensate, and it looks to have been covered up hastily, badly, and eventually fatally. Blaming suppliers, OEMs and users is completely unfounded and says that NV is unwilling to properly address this issue, only hide from it. NV knew, they made silicon changes to fix another problem that directly lead to this problem.
Nvidia is covering this up, hard. All the usual sources are keeping mum on the topic with only a few daring to speak out. Given the sheer magnitude of this, their marketshare for notebooks was huge in the period, this could very well suck up most of their remaining cash. Don't underestimate how bad this is going to be for NV, we highly doubt $200 million will even begin to cover it.
Told ya so. µ

Comments
Very Funny...
oh well, nothing like a little knocking down the old peg to breed some form of humility... hopefully.I love your articles, Charlie, but...
aren't you worried NVIDIA will put out a contract on your NVIDIA-hating ass? I know I would've... long ago . LOL.7 years
anyone in the uk can take the part back within 7 years as not fit for purpose if there part dies, warranty is only one of the methods of protection we have thankfullygetting companies to acknowledge this law is another thing, but it is there
A02
If someone currently owns a laptop with a G84M A02, which still has a month left of warranty, what should they do? I would guess very strongly if I emailed the manufacturer (Acer), they'd tell me that, as nVidia have said nothing officially, to wait until there's a failure. Which would probably happen soon after the warranty ended...Apple MacBook Pros have the problem, too
I just had the graphics chip fail on my MacBook Pro, 10 days after the standard 1 year warranty expired. It was the 2.2 GHz variety with an 8600M GT and 128MB of RAM. Searching the message boards, I'm seeing quite a few reports of this in MacBook Pros. This problem definitely impacts Apple, too.Wait a minute...
"No GT200 jokes here, NV personnel are still quite sensitive about that, "What are you talking about?
My single GTX280 is ****ing amazing.
Much more amazing than any ATI/AMD product I've >EVER< owned.
I think you're right.
I have Nvidia GPU's in two laptops and my desktop. I've been trying to find-out which chips are affected but there doesn't seem to be any concrete information. Why haven't they published a list of dodgy chips? If the problem was limited to a certain production run then surely they would.Why is it that most laptops have replaceable CPU's but non-replaceable GPU's? Nvidia exec's must be wishing all those dodgy chips were on user-replaceable cards right now.
Is it just G84!!!
I wonder if the G94 range is also bust, given that it started life out as the G84 which they tinkered with or so I understand, hope not eek!nVIDIA NVS 130M
Would this affect the nVIDIA NVS 130M notebook GPUs?Where's the ATI 3800/4800 overheats?
As current owner of 2600XT, HD3870, and 4850, Inq has failed to mention these cards are great winter heaters that many had to fix the faulty FAN BIOS or do a XML hack to lower the TEMPS BY AS MUCH AS 40 DEGREES!I was getting green screen of deaths until I used Rivatuner to drop from 80C idle to 50C idle! Just go ahead and google 3800 or 4800 heat/fan issues!
@ostar
I'm assuming you've never owned a comparable R700 part. Think about all the dosh you could have saved by buying even two ATi cards.Err...
I've had a 512MB GDDR3 GeForce 8600 GTS for over a year now and it hasn't failed me. My card is going to die and there's nothing I can do to deter that?Where's all the fanboi flames??
It amuses me when the NV fanbois come out in force to tell Charlie he is spawn of the underworld for daring to hate their precious, innocent, sweet NVidia. Really i couldnt give a shit who's best but these people clearly should wait for the facts to be known before calling Charlie a liar. Well in all your stupid faces! I've recently started to feel my old Radeon X1950XTX is running out of steam.. now shall i invest my hard earned in a GTX260 or a 4870?? ooh not exactly a tough one is it, i'll take red and pocket the change!!///DISCLAIMER///
This is the inquirer. This is CHAAAAARLIE.If you want to read unbiased reviews and thoughts, go read them somewhere else. because this is where you will not find them. that's why i love the inquirer so much, above all charlie.
(i don't give a crap about that nvidia vs ati thing anyway. his style of writing just kicks ass)
trauma...
it's so obvious:the writer of this article is either shorting this or was fired by NVDA some years ago and has yet to get over it.@wTheOnew
And you didn't read the post right above yours?Nah, I'm happy with my top-of-the-line, nothing-ATI-has-EVER-made-is-comparable video card, thank you very much.
"more amazing than any ATI part I have ever owned"
What Ostar failed to mentioned when he dropped this statistic is that he clearly hasn't owned any ATI parts recently, otherwise he would realise what an absurdly stupid comment that is.He is obviously a member of the Flat Earth Society or a Futuremark employee, or perhaps both.
ATI stuff
Well I've owned plenty of ATI parts and Plenty of Nvidia ones, 3870X2, NV 9800s 8800 etc etc.And I have to say from a feature perspective and quality of image, the red team has it.
Direct X 10.1 anyone?
agreed
I can't agree more with this post..regardless how you look at it nvidia is screwed and in turn screwing all customers that have their "failing" product by not saying what is REALLY affected!!And I agree with above...I read because of Charlie's writing!!
dell xps m1330
Well this explains why both of my m1330's dell laptops have both had there gpu's die and require motherbaord replacements within the first 4 months. (8400gs integrated on motherbaord)And why there are a million threads on the m1330 dying the same way, graphics go corrupt/vertical lines on screen.
I sure as sugar hope dell are going to be replacing the motherbaords with an updated un-affected nvidia GPU.
Heat cycling!
Synergy, try force heat cycling your A02 laptop?! Try loading up a game for about 5 mins then letting it cool for 5 mins? I suppose you should have nvtune running and alt-tab while game is running etc etc. :-)I wonder what'll happen if all G84 and G86 owners did that! :D
As for the voltage bump from A02 to A03 it is definitely fishy. Was the voltage bump for mobiles also (wasn't totally clear in linked article maybe I just have to stare at it longer)? That would definitely mean you are missing the performance target but a HUGE factor for that to happen.
Seems I'm havng problems too.
We have two Nvidia products here that have failed too. Namely, an ECS laptop that uses an Nvidia GPU (can't remember which though.. 7300, 8300 or 8400.. I'm not the one using the laptop and can't check it now because the thing's not displaying anything). Service personnel says the grahics chip went AWOL. Also, I have an Nvidia based mobo (MSI K9N Neo-F, Nvidia MCP 550) that has also gone the way of the dodo. Service says it must be the chipset. Mobo goes nuts when it's been on for a while and heat has built up, so maybe the Nvidia chip packaging is the culprit there too. I've been using the board happily for 9 months before this happened. I don't know if anyone else is having the same problems. I'm just relating my own experiences.All MacBook Pros...
Wow - wouldn't this include all MacBook Pros?(Lance, see that you've already hit this problem...)
Every current MacBookP lists "GeForce 8600M GT" as the GPU!
He may be biased ...
Alright so Charlie may not like NV so much and he sure as heck doesn't hide it. But even if you are an NV fanboy shouldn't you atleast consider that maybe there's some truth to what he's saying ... and if so, all those other "unbiased" sites should be reporting on the possibility of problems also ... now shouldn't they.I couldn't care one way or the other, when the smoke clears I'll buy whichever card is the best bang for the buck.
Histeria
I do respect AMD because it has competing coloss Intel, which has ability to put its joker card - the next generation technological norms - a year and a half before AMD can.I respect NVIDIA, because it is competing AMD, which now can use its joker card - the next gen technological norms - 6 months before NV can
I do not respect histeria and sensationalism which kills smart but unfortunate outsiders of technology game like NVIDIA leaving us with smaller options on the market.
Your critics must be creative, Charlie. If NVIDIA was playing dirty game intentionally using this compound for their cards to be dead just after warranty expire, then I will be first to sing them anaphema, burn in hell.
If not, can't you just research more, learn to behave.and shut up? Hope you love computing and all what surrounds it. Such articles make me think that you love just yourself. See the difference between you and old chap Mike Magee?
Charlie is after all charlie...
he he he he I don't care who wins this battle..but its fun to see some corp bashing..
Bashing rears its ugly head yet again.
Perhaps they have got tired of reading this crap already (:Even if its a good news for Ati kind of article, there still manages to be Nv bashing.. its just get tiresome after a while.. objective news reporting prefered to this.
I know that joy over others misfortune is considered to be the greatest of joy.. but myself I don't really get it.
"It amuses me when the NV fanbois come out in force to tell Charlie he is spawn of the underworld for daring to hate their precious, innocent, sweet NVidia. Really i couldnt give a shit who's best but these people clearly should wait for the facts to be known before calling Charlie a liar."
Tactics
Come on Charlie,Didn't you realise until now there's money to be made ? Now there are a lot of money invested in research not for evolution, but for making more and more piles of money... And that do come from 'consumer economy', that is... we all should buy stuff even if we don't need it. But that keeps the jobs of thousands and amont these people some can drive some nice Ferraris. I mean, it's the way it's supposed to be done: research how to make a product fail just after the warranty goes off... that way, those cheap bastards who refuse to pay up will eventually pay, even if they don't like it. :P I don't think HP will be upset for being fed with parts that don't last forever but for failing before the timeframe of the warranty. They'll just slap Nv around just a few time so next time they deliver the parts failing just at the precise moment. That's the way capitalism work: money, money, more money, piles of money, piles and piles of money and so on. Who cares about those cheap bastards ? :))
sigh
I have this problem on my MBP, and my brothers 1330 with the 8400 is showing the same problems.. I hate Nvidia so much..How can you tell what you have?
I just got a shiny new Thinkpad T61 with the Quadro 140M in it. Sounds like that's a G84M and should be affected. Does this affect the A3 silicon only? How can I tell which silicon I have? I'm running linux/Vista, lspci in linux tells me I've got rev A1 (I doubt that) nvidia's control panels in both OS's give me no useful info...nvidia can learn from intel
Initially Intel was in denial about P5 bug. Once they realized the serious of the problem, intel made a 180 degree turn, sovled the problem admirably, and went on to own the processor market.NVDA has been innovative. But recently the management became arragant and lost focus. It'd be a real shame to see the company fail. Hopefully NVDA can confront their mistakes and emerge from it a better company.
GO GET EM CHARLIE
Charlie,I read the inquirer to find out what is really happening in the IT industry. US based media don't report the inside dirt. You were all over the HP/Compaq merger and other things and you're all over this too. While NV Fanboys may think you're just hating on NV, the fact is, covering up a design flaw on such a massive scale as this is something the public needs to know. I have the Nforce 430 chipset in my Compaq PC with the GeForce 6150 IGP and while that hasn't so far been identified as a part that will fail, it still makes me nervous. I'm going to get a PCIe card and it definitely won't be an NV. I was looking at a Macbook Pro, but as long as the new ones have the NV 8600M GT, I will be looking for a reconditioned older model with the ATI GPU. This kind of nonsense will kill consumer confidence in NVidia. Think maybe intel will snap them up when the dust clears?
Still being Sold
why are the 8600 and 8400 still being sold in laptops?Wrong Chips...C51 is the culprit
The GPUs aforementioned are not the issue here.It is the mobile C51 chip that gets overheated. There is no fan (overheat protection) on the chipset and there is no thermal diode that shuts down the PC in the bios.
The C51 PCIe interface overheat easily. That's why the GPUs and the Wireless cards are affected (PCIe interface)...
Also, let it be know that it is not due to packaging material set. It is definitely a chip/system design issue.
8700M laptop?
So this includes the 8700M 512mb laptop card as well? The wiki lists this card as being under G84M.This is a valid article
I have a dell XPS 1330m with the 8400m chipi have had to have dell replace my motherboard twice in the past 6 months due to the 8400m failure
The dell tech guy said he goes out on calls all day long with this same problem
You got digged at heise.de
maybe this means s/thing to you.http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Nvidia-Grafikchips-mit-Lebensdauerproblemen--/meldung/110750
really mad
Not happy at all of how nvidia is treating their customers, they better do something quick or they´ll have an angry mob on their asses in no time! Me included!gtfo nvidia
8600M GT user here- desktop- my screen flickers non stop.great jobnVidiots
Gotta love it when criticising someone for criticising a company you are a customer of is more important than understanding that an entire product range is fatally flawed."Yes, there may be problems, but they are attacking my master and I must defend them like the good little sycophant that I am".
I don't have a preference for company, I'll make a judgement based on my research at the time. If I were researching a mobile solution with game class graphics atm, I would be steering clear of the nVidia iceberg.
Slavish adherence to a brand is fanaticism.
A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
—Winston Churchill
Strangely appropriate...
All Inquirer Articles are Total Crap
My claim is that All Inquirer Articles are Total Crap. This must be true, because "people" say they're all written to this one's evidential standards. Also, some "journalists" I asked laughed, then said it's unlikely that Charlie would adopt a different style for just one article in the same publication. As further proof of my claim, other articles in other technology publications are bad. Ergo, you should buy some AMD stuff. Please, for the children.Heat Issues Asus F3SV NVidia 8600M GS
I've had heat issues with my ASUS F3SV since about 6 months ago, (its 9 months old) but always attributed it to other things. Within the last 2 months or so things have gotten noticeably worse, with unexpected shutdowns and failed reboots with a black screen while I can hear the fan spinning. The bell curve, hot/cold/hot again being the cause of laptops showing up with heat issues more frequently as they progress in their lifecycles seems to make perfect sense in my case.I'm going to send it back to ASUS for repairs, but ultimately the laptop I paid for wasn't supposed to run with the fan at full blast to keep it cool and drain the battery life because of it. I don't really want the same laptop back now, I would rather take the money and wait till this is cleaned up, but what choice will I have? I'm sure ASUS won't do much more than, at best, replace the defective old parts with defective new parts so that it lives out its life long enough to survive the warranty period.
I'm in Canada, and I doubt there is much I can do, but I'll definitely be looking into it. Any advice?
NVidia's silence on the affected parts and failure to come clean about the extent of the problem has forever lost them a customer.
Unlucky Month
GeForce beaten by 4800, mobile chips failure, and Rambus law suit. All happened in one month. Looking NVDA for $6.g84 g86 parts =?
apologies for not being too clued in, the g84 and g86 parts, do these just refer to the 8500/8600 parts? If it is down to an engineering failure causing over heating, would improved cooling help resolve the issue or would it just merely prolong the issues.currently using 2 x 512mb 8600gts sli in an antect p182 case, has a 12cm fan situated at the end of the 2 cards blowing air on to the cards.
Problem with Theory . . .
The only problem with this theory is that there are HP notebook models such as the dv2500 and dv2700 that have been out for a while with the nvidia chips that are NOT listed as needing a recall/fix. That would lend more to a theory that it is cooling design issues . . .old news to me : /
I was wondering what was going on w/ my laptop :(. It was weird too because with my last D3LL update it would stay running for a couple of days at a time :MIRACLE MUSIC: but it turns out it was just a fluke and started doing the same thing again. Heck I don't have to turn off my laptop, psh. It does that on it's own! like every 10min..... freaking NvidiaFaulty G84s
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?act=ST&f=33&t=3850819 pages.
FINALLY!
Someone has written about how I'm NOT crazy, and it IS Nvidia's fault that my laptop died. If anyone cares, it was a Dell, not an HP. Too bad I sold the parts because no one believed me (even though it was the absolute truth). There needs to be a criminal investigation on this...Nvidia is screwing people over.AMD stock owners
It is quite clear that you own AMD stock... or maybe some different kind of AMD "affiliation"That explains all those its the end of the world for nvidia articles... and the AMD try harder ones.
BTW where is AMD's 880million $ goodwill impairement news report? Isn't it newsworthy?!?
I think its quite ugly down there in the 4+$ region, since not so long ago that number was 44$ for the AMD stock... Keep bashing and pumping but you do not fool anyone...
how about quadro with g84
I might buy a pny nvidia quadro fx 370 professional CAD type card which based on g84 chip and priced heavily for 210 dollarsso will it also be affected
or how much can a graphics card stand on desktop with this issue
concerned
Laptop died on me last friday and is only just over a year old, an ASUS F3SV with a 8600M GS. I had noticed bands of vertical stripes and artifacts for about a week beforehand. Now all I get is a blue screen after attempting to load windows. Laptop has always run hotter than others I've had in the past. GPU temps have been 60-70 oC when idle and up to 105oC after a short period of time using asus stock drivers. Luckily it is still under warranty but I don't want it replaced like for like, due to reading this and other experiences I've read on many different forums. I'm still waiting to hear from the techs at asus on what they will do regarding this matter. I hope I haven't ended up with a very expensive paperweight.UH?
I don't like the article because he is just blurting out crap. He is obviously biased because Nvidia must have screwed him over somehow. Don't like charlie or the article. Making it seem like some conspiracy when its not. Get over it, its business, and Nvidia has good management.BenQ S41 w/ NV GF8600M GS
my BenQ S41 with a 8600M GS (G86M A2, 16SP 128-bits) died on me once...sent it back to BenQ and the guy there only said the mobo was changed and that's all...
which i suspect is not so simple as i encountered artifacts before it broke down on normal usage...
anyway, now i underclock the GPU to keep it cool... raise the clock back to default only when playing games...
Don´t let this FIASCO GO
My opinion after reading endless reviews and faults is that nvidia´s G84 G86 series are all faulty and nvidia is only covering up only due to enormous stock on this specific gpus.. check this link to open your eyes. http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/633It's my lucky day :)))
Thank you very much for this article :)I was going to buy a new macbook pro 17" but I was a little concerned about all that forum posts that describe various problems with display. This article makes a perfect sense and now I'll be waiting for another macbook pro release.
Holy sh*t, I was close to loosing a few thousands of $ :)
http://nvidiaclassaction.blogspot.com/
OK, I'm fed up with this. My Vostro 1500 has a deffective card and I am NOT EVEN OFFERED a power hungry BIOS update!!I hate the culture of litigation but the only way to punish these companies is through these tools.
Please join me in my effort and visit my newly minted blog:
http://nvidiaclassaction.blogspot.com/
hpx6000atisamebad
we have a compaq x6000 p4 3 gig ati, bought 07-15-05 that just totally quit with the same symptoms as described about the newer nv's. Power supply (135watt) is not good enough, they just happen to make a 180w, hum. Battery time is about 20 min. and enough heat to break e=mc sq., any way you want to check it. Repair shops replace a lot of the on off switch board on x6000 also. Any one have a 3 yr. warranty?My HP Desktop experiance - its Fans do not stop
Few weeks ago I installed and update for my HP Pavilion Media Center m8100y customizable TV PC. Ever since its fans are not stopping and it making a lot of noise!Radeon Rules
Wow, I am glad I have stuck with ATI Radeon for all these years!JT
www.FireMe.To/udi
Really bad
Thailand:Many HP/Compaq Notebooks need to change VGA Chip/ Mainboard change
(HP DV20XX-DV24XX 7200Go, now 84G and 86Gs)
Same service warranty as US?
I don't think so.
We need to pay >>>$410 /Mainboard
Support?
They do nothing because Thai's law is not that strict or they don't care anymore.
Any news ?
Hi ! I just wanted to confirm that more and more 8600M Packard Bell laptops overheat and reboot, or not even start after 8-12 months. Motherboards are then replaced by a new one (after a battle with customer service) but does it mean the end of the problems for a customer or a garantee that it will again overheat in a few months ?Do some newer(?) 8400M or 8600M GPUs still have this problem ? Is there a way to find out if the GPU is bad (with a revision number and a tool like GPU-Z) ?
And I still see a lot of Laptop offers online and retail with these GPUs... will they really all overheat ?
I guess we need answers from NVIDIA.
YSE@Agree with U@YES
There had been something wrong with my DEll Latitude D630 that had been bought for one year and two days.You can see nothing but some gray lines in the blank screen...The engineer has changed a new motherboard with newly bois...
no one knows how long will it alive...
Gee, Charlie
It's too bad you weren't on the job when ATI was releasing bad batches of Radeon 9700 cards all over the place.THANKS FOR THIS
'BOUT TIME the expose began. there are hundreds of documented cases on the web for the apple mbp. spreadsheets full of serial numbers and angst. personally, i have gone thru 2 logic boards in an mbp and it's now out of warranty. there is no fix. apple can only replace with logic boards that have the same chip on it. what a hose! FDApple MBP w. Cooler
Since my 15"MBP with 8600GS received a new logic board due to blown GPU (I am Second Life user, which makes extensive use of the GPU), I use an external cooler from Zalman whenever I run applications with high GPU load. The temperature reduction is reasonable. I don´t want my logic board to be replaced a second time. People say, that the MBP GPU does not run on full speed anyway for temperature reasons. Up to now mostly Apple was blamed for probably risky thermal design. What about if Apple simply knew about the nvidia problem early and designed the MBP to hopefully not to trigger the problem? I have business with Apple as supplier and and know their extreme high negotiation power. They can save may be millions of dollars if they knocked down the GPU sell price due to nvidia's design problem.It is just guessing - but seems quite logical to me.
lmao
Well if your buying a computer from HP or Dell then your dumb enough to believe this article. All laptops are proned to heat problems period, i don't care how many fans you have put in them. The batteries in most laptops get hot enough to cook an egg on and well when the entire bottom of the laptop is a battery all that heat rises through the plastic and damages the rest of the components over time. And guess what, heat is the leading cause of failure in electronics especially computers.I have been using Nvidia gpu's for years now and I currently have an 8600GT and I have never had a single problem out of any of them. I don't give a shit about your bell curve as it means nothing. Improper cooling in a desktop or laptop will cause it to fail at some point and it doesn't matter who made your gpu, cpu or motherboard.
LMAO a voltage bump, as if a person who writes ridiculous articles such as this would know anything about engineering. Grow a clue you idiot.
I've already been hit..
I bought a Dell Inspiron 1520 3 months ago with a nVidia 8600 in it. The laptop was a factory resealed unit with no warranty, and within 2 weeks the GPU overheated and died.You don't need to replace the motherboard in these and most of the dells cause the GPU is a seperate unit, but it still cost me $200 and a lot of time to find another second hand graphics card from a laptop wrecker.
Wonder how long this one will last.. I think i might underclock the gpu.
HP Pavilion dv9575em (nvidia 8600m gs)
Hello,I own an HP Pavilion dv9575 em (Serial Number CNF7241KTT
Product Number GP652EA).
The graphics card fitted to my hp got HS (the nvidia 8600 GS recently involved in the case Nvidia).
Unfortunately here in Morocco, HP wants to charge me the card replacement; knowing that HP has extended the warranty for an additional year on other models of the same pc ... ... I do not understand.
Yet publicly reconu hp to the problem on graphics cards nvidia 8600 and 8400.
Here is the answer to my requests HP:
HP Customer Support - www.hp.com ...
Dear Sir
Thank you for contacting HP Customer Support.
I am Fati, the Technicienne who will support your case.
D # after the description of your fault, he trimmed that you have a concern in the graphics card.
# It turns out that the incident is on your machine equipment, probably requiring repair and because the warranty has expired, please contact the proper service by contacting 081 005 010 number to obtain an estimate of repair or additional information.
We also invite you to visit the link below to see a list of computers that have an extended warranty with your party does not:
h10025.www1.hp.com ...
Best regards,
Fati
HP refuses to change the graphics card nVidia 8600m gs
helloI bought a HP pavilion dv9575em equipped with the graphics card nVidia 8600m gs and 14 month after the graphics card is H.S.
I send has HP my PC notebook to be to repair but HP says to me that my notebook is not in the list of the portable PC with extension of 12 months guarantee to 24 months.
After I make a research is I discover that no HP of the list is equipped with graphics card nVidia series 8 (8400m and 8600m)
to see:
http://scandalehp.wordpress.com/scandale-hp-refuse-de-reparer-les-pc-equipes-des-cartes-graphique-nvidia-8400-et-8600/
Can you help me
fed up
Sending my Asus laptop back again after only having it for 3 months since they last "fixed" it. Probably another motherboard replacement. I wonder how long it will last this time... Why did I have to get the 8600m GS -_-Next time I'm getting a desktop.