Developers shun Vista
Coders adopt wait and see approach
JUST EIGHT PER CENT of US software developers have made the move to Vista as a coding platform according to a survey published by the Evans Data Corporation (EDC).
"Developers have taken a wait and see approach to Vista", said John Andrews, Evans Data’s President and CEO. "The new operating system has had more than its share of problems and the desire to move from XP on the Windows platform is still lagging - that coupled with interest in alternative operating systems is suppressing development activity and that in turn will further erode Vista’s acceptance."
And even the future looks bleak for the much maligned OS. EDC reports that just 24 per cent of developers expect to take up the challenge of coding for the broken OS by 2009.
Those intending to stick with older versions of Windows, including XP (29 per cent), make up 43 per cent of those surveyed whilst 15 per cent will be targeting Linux.
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Wait and see
More like wait for Win whatever-the-next-one-is.Companies are not installing it, and users are formatting new drives and reinstalling XP, or requesting "downgrade rights" to the same effect.
Vista is so dead that the next version is being rushed.
Not a good sign, now is it ?
Now I have Vista, don't understand the fuss
I've been writing code for 25 years, and recently scored a nice new dual core lappy with 4GB ram and all the whistles for a mere $950. It came with Vista, which I intended to toast (having read month after month of -ve coverage) and, you know what, it doesn't suck.All my apps work (even hokey old ones), my frosted windows look pretty, the (optional) user security can be annoying but is frankly long overdue, and there are a fair few minor UI enhancements that make my life better (file copy shows transfer speed, at long f'king last). I'd also likely hate Vista if it was running on my old, smaller, slower lappy, but... it's not!
In a nutshell, I've had no reason want to toast it.
The point is; if you use Windows, and you stay with XP, you're guaranteed no future upgrades; they've moved on, capice?
I have no special love for MS but it's hard to blame them for wanting to ship new product versions every few years and not putting too much work into the old ones.
The Vole has long since put XP out to pasture, it's now King Canute's OS of choice.
Lagging Causes Delays or incompleteness.
Vista ultimate is New Dimension. Now Some suspect 7 will be less. Thats NOT right direction.VISTA ULTIMATE 64bit is TOP End, I & Mr. T both have Told World+Money dozen times:
"I PITY FOOL WHO DOSN'T USE ULTIMATE64".
Babies Cry: I Don't Have One or Worse My System Cann't Handle IT". WELL GET IT & NEW SYSTEM, TOO.BLOKE.
Hardware is Now Conquered & Public is NEXT. On Center Step, With GOLD: "VISTA ULTIMATE". on Side steps Both Vista ultimate Silver & Bronze Medal Winners. THERES NO OTHER CHOICE.
Stewie Drashek
Vista or XP not much difference
Vista has been running fine for me people hate change when it's forced on them thats all.I have Vista, and I TOTALLY understand the fuss
I had an opportunity to play with Vista Ultimate (32 bit) and have seen first hand why people are rejecting it (Vista Ultimate left behind by client that wanted XP Pro installed).It DOESN'T run many older applications by Autodesk, Adobe, Ulead, Apple, Corel & many games PLUS lots of hardware will not run - scanners, photo printers, network cards, webcams, TV tuners, even some mice and keyboards. I won't even start about laptops or notebooks.
Vista also effectively slows the computer to the point where it is like losing 1/3 of your CPU speed. Do not even TRY to run Vista without first rate ATI or nVidia hardware with lots of onboard memory (256mb). You also need at least 2 gig memory for USEABLE speed and multitasking let alone visual special effects.
Vista is a chrome plated turd and no amount of astroturfing by Microsoft sponsored opinion shapers (above) can change that.
CD Baric
they also shunned xp-64
If you want a 64 bit OS you don't want XPRE:Now I have Vista, don't understand the fuss
Well, that's probably why *you* are one of those EIGHT PERCENT that use Millenium Edition TWO to write their code.No seriously, LOLvista is a "crap-shoot".
You people that keep claiming crap like
"if you use Windows, and you stay with XP, you're guaranteed no future upgrades; they've moved on, capice?"
are pathetic.
Vista is crap. Microshaft is MOVING ON. And you got suckered into using a horrible, horrible OS for two whole years. Capice? Now get over it.
Besides, why fix what isn't broken?
XP works JUST FINE.
OHHHHHH NOOOOOOO, I won't be able to use LOLDX10!!!!!!!!!
I guess I'll have to wait 'till Microshaft puts out another half-decent OS.
Shucks, I won't get to experience the pain of using a crappy OS like you.
RE: (#2) PS:
"The Vole has long since put XP out to pasture, it's now King Canute's OS of choice."PS: Have you ever heard of XP SP3?
No, probably not. You're still recovering from that vista SP1 "incident", arn't you?
Anywho, doesn't sound like XP is "out to pasture" yet, especially with new updates rolling in DAILY, son.
environmentalism prevents vista upgrades
Not everyone wants to throw away there computer when it's still perfectly usable and running. However unfortunately new operating systems typically turns working computers into obsolescence for the junkyard. Computers are notorious to environmental conditions and the lives of people. Want not and waste not; and sometimes it's very hard to find people to pick up old technology since it's technology. However if Vista wasn't so resource hungry and restrictive consumers might give it a 2nd chance. That's probably where Micro$oft s headed for the 2nd chance pasture.To dumb to know
There are a few people who have had a positive overall experience with Vista. And I do mean FEW. Usually these are the people who don't know their hand from their ass when it comes to doing anything other than word processing or email. So you 5% can keep your beloved VISTA, the other 95% of the world see it for the POS that it really is. These are probably the same people who don't see the issue with DRM! Ignorance is bliss I'm told.VISTA & Server2008 have same kernel
http://blogs.msdn.com/vijaysk/archive/2008/02/11/using-windows-server-2008-as-a-super-desktop-os.aspx64 bit processors
I have a 64 bit processor and 8 gigs of ram. What OS would you like me to use as to not waste my uncheap parts.Go for real 64 bit os
to breastfed43:Get WIN XP 64, or better, Ubuntu 8.04 (or other preffered desktops - Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc).
In reality, it depends on what you're using the OS for. On one of my biz machines (dual core, 8GB RAM) i'm using WinXP 64 for more than 2 years, and I find it very stable, fast, and comfortable for my needs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Professional_x64_Edition#Windows_XP_Professional_x64_Edition
64bit Vista works fine for me
When it comes to a computer operating system I have three things that I want:1. Hardware support, or can I get software drivers that'll allow me to play with this latest shiny doodad gadget thingummy
2. Software support, or can I still conveniently run that free copy of Paint Shop Pro 5 that I have hanging around from 2002.
3. User interface experience, or can I get the task done by finding the things that I want in places I expect them to be and without the system crashing or stuttering like a car running on emergency whisky.
So, having been carefully evaluating the 64bit flavour of Vista Ultimate, I can inform that:
Shiny new hardware does often come with something resembling a Vista driver. It might not always be as polished as it might be for XP, but the support seems better than I remember for the brilliant Windows 2000 when it first came out. Admittedly, old hardware may not work, but this can always be thrown into a dual-boot linux/win2k box, and Windows 2000 booted - I mean its not like a generic usb flatbed scanner is going to run on any flavour of linux unless you are very lucky.
Software support does seem pretty good on Vista. The odd thing doesn't work, but nothing that I use as "core" software has a problem. You still have Notepad and Calculator built in, and when it comes to 3rd party apps - Opera and Paint Shop Pro 5 run fine. Anything else important can always be dumped onto that dual boot linux box, or into a virtual machine - although you might need to upgrade to VMWare 6 of course.
As for user-interface, you can always turn it to "Classic" for that Windows 2000 look and feel, but even on a box built for only £500 (prior to the old recycled power supply emitting black smoke and turning into a charred fizzing molten mess) it does run fine. Of course careful selection of hardware does allow £500 to buy a quad-core intel QX6600, 8GB of the cheapest DDR2 RAM around, 6x250GB hdds in RAID0 and the lowest spec graphics card with HD in the name and dual head all installed into a motherboard with plastic heatsinks, it does seem to perform very reliably.
OK, so hibernate doesn't work, and when coming out of standby one of the old CRTs ends up back at an eye-watering 60Hz, but hibernating 8GB of RAM is just silly anyway, and the 60Hz thing only happens when using dual head and is probably a driver issue.
I admit that I am not yet at the "trust" state with this OS, it grinds my hard disks randomly much too often for me to really trust it, but it does seem able to copy files successfully, including via cmd scripts, and play emo thrash metal, and browse websites with Opera or Safari (for those box shadows). It can even do all of these simultaneously.
What more do you people want?