Nvidia declares the CPU dead
Gutterwatch Fare thee well, Intella, for we did love thee
A MISSIVE from a guy called Roy Taylor dropped into our paws, and we were intrigued by its contents.
Nvidian boy Roy basically declares that the CPU is dead, and Nvidia's chips do all the real work in a PC.
To back up his claims. He quotes almost an entire article from TGDaily, penned by our old mucker Theo Valich, and found here.
We say "almost", because Roy omits the bits he doesn't like and highlights the bits he does.
Just in case you're wondering here's a bit he missed off:
"In case you wonder, no, Nvidia's CEO did not deliver explanations on the results of Windows hardware survey which blamed nv4_displ.dll driver for almost a third of BSODs in Windows Vista (Google search will reveal around 613.000 results for a "Nvidia BSOD" search)."
The following letter is reproduced exactly as we got it with only formatting changes made. Links were removed during HTMLising, but can be found in the original article which, ironically, wasn't linked in the email. Almost like they didn't want you to read the full version for some reason. µ
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From: Roy Taylor [mailto:RTaylor@nvidia.com]
Sent: 10 April 2008 23:36
Subject: The best job in the world.
Guys I have the best job in the world. Official. I cant tell you how much fun we’re having here right now.
I don’t know how much this will mean to you all but for those that don’t know a war has just started that will likely be written about for years and which will affect everyone who owns a PC. Everyone.
Basically the CPU is dead. Yes, that processor you see advertised everywhere from Intel. Its run out of steam. The fact is that it no longer makes anything run faster. You don’t need a fast one anymore. This is why AMD is in trouble and its why Intel are panicking. They are panicking so much that they have started attacking us. This is because you do still [need] one chip to get faster and faster – the GPU. That GeForce chip. Yes honestly. No I am not making this up. You are my friends and so I am not selling you. This shit is just interesting as hell.
Today your PC plays video (its our chip that makes that work), you play games (its our chip that makes that work), you rip movies (yup our chip again) – you get the picture?
Today we hit back at Intel this is what the press are saying, I thought you’d be interested…
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The visual computing clash: Nvidia CEO opens a can of whoop-ass for Intel
Business and Law
By Theo Valich
Thursday, April 10, 2008 17:12
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Santa Clara (CA) – Nvidia and Intel are on a crash course: With Nvidia moving its GPUs into potential CPU territory and Intel tuning CPUs to take over GPU territory, you have a classic scenario for a confrontation between two industry giants that have the same goal – to shape the era of visual computing. Nvidia’s chief executive officer Jen-Hsun Huang today lashed out at recent Intel announcements and claims that indicated how the company wants to build up its graphics front line. Huang chose strong, emotional words to strike back, calling Intel’s second discrete visual computing offering “Laughabee”.
Huang, known for his great passion for the company he founded, apparently has been hit on the wrong nerve. He opened Nvidia’s financial analyst day by explaining that "Nvidia is a Visual Computing company, not a semiconductor corporation" and that his goal is nothing else but "to make GPUs better and deliver great experience". But the opening lines quickly shifted into another dimension when he compared Intel's performance roadmap from IDF Spring 2008 and Nvidia's current products.
"Intel is false. They have crossed the line, they're saying false things."
“They say”, Huang stated, "Nvidia is going to be dead. Their graphics are good, but we'll put graphics into the CPU and there is no place for them to stick it." He went on to compare Intel’s current Core 2 platform with the next-gen processors and said that it would be “nothing else but putting more transistors [on it] instead of thinking of a solution.”
"People don't buy Nvidia products because they have to, because they're allowed to. They buy our stuff because they want to. They're overwhelmed by the value and the benefit we bring," Huang noted.
"This team [Nvidia] is like a Ferrari team. We know how to bring visual technology to life. We bring 20-30-40x the performance advantage and 27x the price/performance ratio". Even if Intel was able to deliver a 10-fold performance increase, the company would still not be able to reach catch up with Nvidia and AMD in the discrete space, Huang said.
Jen-Hsun also commented on article by Jon Peddie showing the last ten years of the graphics market, recently published on TG Daily, stating that Nvidia went through a lot of competitors and sees Intel just one of them.
Intel’s Larrabee was called "Laughabee". Much of the performance provided by this card in fact will depend on quality drivers for DirectX and OpenGL APIs. Huang openly doubted that Intel can deliver workable drivers, judging by their current state of incompatibility. Bear in mind that Intel's integrated graphics parts don't yield great results in Microsoft DCT tests, and most of the issues are waived by WHQL Labs due to the lack of hardware support. Then again, you should not consider Intel's integrated graphics being garbage because of waivers on the DCT test (Nvidia had the same issues with GeForce FX and 6/7 series of products).
Over the past few weeks, numerous Intel representatives were talking about Intel’s visual computing ideas – starting with Paul Otellini’s presentation at the firm’s analyst day, Pat Gelsinger’s pre-IDF briefing and more aggressive information that was coming out of IDF. Ranging from the integration of graphics into the Nehalem CPU to the company’s first discrete graphics card, for which the company is creating lots of hype.
We were willing to give Intel benefit of the doubt on future parts, but the fact of the matter is that their current integrated graphics systems will probably end up costing Microsoft billions of dollars and an integrated PC platform that is believed to be slowly pushing the mainstream PC market into the console market. Given the amount of issues that Intel integrated graphics faces today, including the criticism coming from industry gurus such as Tim Sweeney and John Carmack, you could expect Nvidia to go take aim at Intel today.
While it certainly looks that Intel and Nvidia are heading into a confrontation, it appears that some information may also got out of hand. For example, we were contacted by Intel about a recent article in which an Intel engineer stated that people “probably” won’t need graphics cards in the future anymore. In a statement sent to us by email, the company said:
"Intel is not predicting the end of the discrete graphics business. Moore's Law has allowed Intel to innovate and integrate. As a result, we expect that we and others will integrate graphics and visual computing capabilities directly into our CPUs in the future much like floating point coprocessors and other multimedia functions have in the past. However, we don't expect that this integration will eliminate the market for higher-end discrete graphics cards and the value they provide."
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Comments
AMD fusion
If the GPU becomes the most important part of the PC then AMD is in the perfect position to make a smooth transition from CPU to GPU with fusion.really..
People will be talking about it for years because if it comes to a head, it will last for years.Nvidia doesnt make CPUs and even if Intel got one of those craphappy integrated chips into a processor, its still crap, less hops, one heatsink.
Intel would have to produce Nvidia or ATi quality graphics, integrate them into a CPU.
I dont see that happening anytime soon.
And Nvidia would have to pull CPU architecture and fabs out of no where.
But moguls can dream, cant they.....
CPU is dead?
Even a virus needs a live host."This is why AMD is in trouble"
Roy must be forgetting that AMD owns their own GPU outfit...ATI.oops
too bad we DO need faster CPUs, the CPU still takes most of the load.i can see if they mean a "pure" CPU will be dead, as AMD is coming out with Fusion at some point, but i don't know if it will ever come to the CPU actually becoming nonexistent, that's just bull in my opinion.
you tell them Nv
ATi/AMD is the only rival you have, intel is gonna be history, LOL ROFL, or not yet.anyway, interesting, i'd like to see what intel will say after this, should they start making graphic chips as well?
i still would love to have a fast cpu chip, i do not want to see the little "loading icon" from the mouse pointer, i do not want to see none of that loading icon, zero, to me a fast cpu still make sense, unless...
Nv come up something that would replace the cpu completely, interesting.
no one wants a "mentally challenged computer"
again, a fast cpu is still necessary, due to the fact that i believe most of everybody do not want to see a loading icon from the mouse pointer. (some people can live with a longer loading time, but not me, no no. i need 1 click 0 second and it open or work right there, 1 click. 0 loading. hated that loading icon since Window 95. now Window Me2 just making it worst, little circle thing, awful design!! why can't it be a happy face loading into a piss off face?)let me put it this way, if my brain were to have that mouse pointer loading scenario, i must be mentally challenged - "retarded" even tho i do not want to use that word, in all respect.
Umm.. nVidia running scared?
Well here's the thing, if AMD's 760 chipset brings high-end graphics into the realm of integrated graphics solution then that's it for high-end graphics expansion cards! Or they are going to have to get wayy better or wayy cheaper.But by bringing that same high-end video onto the CPU well that's it for integrated graphics, and that is DEFINITELY the end of any kind of graphics expansion card.
... I think nVidia people are mad because Intel is going beyond treading on their toes, they are more than stomping on them, they are chopping them off! But what can nVidia do? If they cannot make a CPU then that's it, they are irrelevant.
nvidia ought to learn to keep its idiot mouth shut
All that this news amounts to is that nvidia is spinning information. Since the CPU speed apparently no longer affects frame rates in games, they tell everyone that CPU sucks and the video processor is better.Anyone with two brain cells to rub together would realize that the reason why a 3ghz core2 and a 4ghz core2 get the same frame rates in Crysis is because the graphics card is a damn BOTTLENECK--ie their graphics chips are too damn crappy to keep up with a 4ghz core 2. The morons in green ought to know their place.
As much as I hate monopolies, these arrogant SOBs need to be taken down a dozen notches.
Good luck Nvidia
Nvidia's buried quite a few small companies, but Intel is possibly bigger then all of those small companies combined.Good luck Nvidia, you're going to need it in this fight.
They don't need a physical CPU
A translation layer like the Transmeta will do just fine.Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...Today on the Jerry Springer show, Nvidia confesses to Intel that not only is she cheating on Intel, but Nvidia is also a Transexual!!!
Nvidia: Thats right Jerry, I'm here to tell Intel what a loser he is and also that I'm a Transexual.
Jerry: How long have you been cheating on Intel?
Nvidia: Since he started with this CPU/GPU buushit...
Jerry: Do we need to go to commercials? No? Let's bring Intel out!
*** Crowd Cheers ***
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...
Jerry: Welcome to the show Intel, do you know why you are here?
Intel: My girlfriend Nvidia wants to share something with me, but I don't know what it is...
Jerry: Ok Nvidia, here's your chance. Tell Intel what you came here to tell him.
Nvidia: Intel, you know that I love you right?
Intel: Yes.
Nvidia: Well, I brought you on the Jerry Springer show today to tell you that I am cheating on you, and I also have a GPU where my CPU should be...
Intel: What?! I can't believe this!
Bitch, I'm gonna slap you!
*** Cowd Cheers some more ***
Steve the bodyguard gets inbetween them and keeps them apart while they try to choke each other...
Jerry: But that is not all Nvidia is it? You've been a naughty girl with someone else have you...
Nvidia: yes, his name is AMD, and I love him!
Jerry: is AMD back stage? Bring him out...
AMD walks out, crowd cheers and Intel charges AMD but Steve once again manages to keep them apart...
AMD: I'm gonna kick your ass Intel, you *%$^%$*!! You wait till we get back home fool your ass is mine!
Jerry: Ok Ok, settle down please. AMD, how did you meet Nvidia?
AMD: Well Jerry, while I am not a full-blown Transexual I corss-dress sometimes and I went to a cross-dresser thingy about a year ago and Nvidia was there. She looked so hot and I just wanted a piece of that.
Jerry: That sounds romantic, but you have a girlfriend too don't ya?
AMD: We got married a couple of months ago, her name is ATI, she's Canadian.
Nvidia: She's a bitch Jerry!
Intel gets up and charges AMD again, only to be tackled by Jerry Springer security and goes right back to his chair...
(that's it, that is all I have, like every other Jerry Springer episode he gives his final thoughts and everybody goes home, and nothing ever gets fixed)
Vista on a GPU
GPU's currently seem to offer enhanced functionality when performing certain tasks - no question here.Let's start out simple and see one boot and run dos -
Didnt nvidia use intel tech for shaders?
Didnt Nvidia lisence tech that runs shaders/fpu 2x gpu/cpu clock-tech from Intel??Roy needs hospitalization
Quote: "This is why AMD is in trouble and its why Intel are panicking. They are panicking so much that they have started attacking us."AMD didn't attack Nvidia on the matter of this "CPU-GPU war". Roy is hearing voices in his head. Pretty soon FBI, CIA, and green little aliens from his own office will also attack Nvidia in this "war".
Right,
Ah I see, so I can underclock my CPU to 500MHz and all games and programs will run at the same speed then eh, great news!It's true though that there's hopefully more and more apps that will, in the future, at some point, start to harness the power of the GPU, to assist the CPU.
But to achieve that nvidia should first update their GPU's a bit, maybe make them do full IEEE math, and do DX10.1/shader4.1, and then get some more free applications (not just a limited package for developers) out to boost their concept, and full info on the GPU, and perhaps releasing some GPU-enabled replacement parts for windows bits that are old (even on vista) and drag things down might also be a good idea.
Of course if you had any experience with nvidia software, and long term support for it, you'll be ROTFL now..
Stop making wild marketting claims...
And sort out your damn Vista drivers!I would like my Vista Media Center to be able to recognise I have a TV connected some point before the end of the decade!
Unless you want to give me a 48" TFT monitor with a DVI interface of course.
CPU says it all
The term "CPU" makes me wince, I never use it. Even a relatively modest processor is a collection of processing units that co-operate to process an instruction stream.What NVidia says is actually more or less true. The PS3 really illustrates this well -- the Cell processor in it is a bunch of graphic oriented engines -- 8 I think -- with a relatively low power PowerPC processor to keep them fed, keep score and mind the user interface.
I'd be reluctant to count Intel out, though. Graphics processors are great for processing graphics but they suck at everything else.
NVIDIA El Numero UNO.
Larrabee sliped step deeper in floundering, with Ray Trace question. Nvidia steps up, Due to Long Awaited SLI Hybrid Support. Now More is More, Plus Nvidia uses discrete assembly lines, while ATI uses 5X redundancy, even of 4XXX new products.When ATI was only CrossfireX that increased scores available, it was intresting BUY Feature, NO Longer, Now Nvidia Clearly Outreaches Everyone in Graphics Market.
Stewie drashek
Oh dear...
This is the standard of an email from a professional corporation. He'd be sacked immediately in my line of business, typical for the big N...The panic attack is clear for all to see. Poor Nvidia. No QPI Nehalem license, ergo no Nvidia chipsets, ergo no SLI for future Intel products, unless they cave & enable it on Intel's chipsets... They're in a pickle. No x86 license, can't support AMD as direct competitor, so have to get on-board with VIA. Now, Isaiah isn't exactly endowed with peformance so the new mantra at Nvidia is predictable... Promote the well known [H]ardware sites for an article or two & rinse. Wake me up when you can run an OS on GT200...
AMD in trouble? Pfft
As much as this is nvidia's badass bluster and swagger it's more than talking smack, there's some truth here. Why is Intel desperate to get a GPU on it's CPUs? Why has AMD pounced on ATi when it wasn't looking?AMD is sitting pretty actually, their ingestion of ATI will save them, hopefully. Intel being the tardy lazy monopoly that it is will rest on it's laurels.
ASICS are everything in the pcs of the coming decade, they can see that, they don't like to talk about it, but all the signs are there.
Look at todays PC even a modest processor and a couple gigs of ram will run new games now, but a medicore graphics card will fall on it's face when thrown some heavy duty gaming. Infact you can have to go down to quite a crappy old cpu before the CPU becomes the bottleneck - you actually have to have a lot of installed graphics power before you need to go the high end route.
Furthermore, the x86 software world just isn't becoming multithreaded, and multi-core is about the only viable performance route left - this is a problem, graphics and stream processing buy nature loves massively parrallel ASICs, it's scaling well, Nvidia is barely breaking a sweat keeping up with moores law - infact dare I say it, ok yes I dare, they are getting ahead of it even and the chip giants are struggling.
Today, most of the time the CPU isn't doing much, this worries the Chiporsaurus herd.
Bring it on
CPU Dead?
So does this mean Windows 7 won't even support CPUs, and only Nvidia GPUs? Microsoft's driver support must be really going downhill . . .All Talk, No Walk (yet)
These guys are all full of hot air. Leave it to egotistic Intel and proud Nvidia to stir up something like this.Ironically, it was AMD who started it all. If they never announced Fusion Intel probably wouldn't think of doing the same thing. Since AMD is down right now, who better for Intel to aim for than Nvidia?
AMD is probably just watching them, chuckling. As for AMD, they'd better hope they're still around when the first real gunshot from the other two is fired.
The GPU War
The big factor right now is the "Cores". Intel knows this, and that's why words like Pentium and Hertz are almost gone from Intels marketing material.I work as a software developer. At our company we could sure need 10 ghz computers so we can work faster, with larger datasets. It is possible to work with lots of different tasks. But that may actually be too complicated for the users.
But in the same way even using 4 cores in an application is not. And the market currently have from 1 to 8 cores. And AMD is going for a 12 core CPU now. What's good at 4 cores is most likely bad at 12 cores.
Lots of software need to be reimplemented from scratch to run faster. And in the worst case, we may fail to improve the performance.
We are starting to feel the same pain a lot of people felt when the PC took over everything in the 80'ies. Lots of companies went bankrupt in 1987 because of Intel and MS.
Anyway what NVIDIA gives us with CUDA, and AMD gives us with CTM/ CAL is a much more stable "stream programming" method. And this is just a side-effect of massive power of their GPU's. A GPU is a very cheap supercomputer.
Some would say that GPU is only good for a few things. And that's right. The programming model is almost the same as old punch card based computers. And the code have to be very parallel.
For most programmers this new area is really scary. They are used to serial computers and code. Even most expert programmers have no experience with low level interfaces such as CUDA. This is starting to change now, and I think Intel is really scared of the future.
I suspect Intel is the new IBM. And we may be better off with two GPU Vendors as the leaders of the PC hardware industry. I'm sick an tired of Intel's dominance. And their lies about next generation performance. It's just not cool anymore!
MS on the other hand have been helping NVIDIA and ATI all the way. All the trouble with Vista and DX10 will pay off next year.
scratch, scratch, scratch
Did Nv state that people buy there vid cards becouse they want to? I myself did not like forking over close to 800 hard earned dollars just so I could increase my frame rate! I love the graphicks with the 8800 but would love to see a faster more economical way.Some guys live on the wonderland
lol, right! All that business machines, Joe home machines, servers and laptops require are high end graphics while at the same time budget processors.The problem is really not Intel. His problem is that not getting laid is making him nervous and agressive
Nvidia marketing hype and lack of substance
Nvidia marketing Dept. must be really scared of upcoming Intel Larrabee and future Terascale that are going to follow after Nehalem in a 24/36months projected timeframe...The CPU concept is dead, uh? So then the Sony/IBM/Toshiba CELL on the PS3 would be worthless for them and the Nvidia GPU on it could do everything the Cell does ? Well, I really don't think so...
Nvidia marketing spinning the multi-core debate with their false advertising of "128-cores" referred to their latest GPU Serie 9xxx, that is false advertising because there is no multi-core architecture at all, they just have a serie of vertex and pixel shaders like before and that's it.
Nvidia should stop spinning their hype and work harder becuase their drivers support is really bad nowadays, with recent 8xxx GPUs badly supported and lacking features for marketing reasons and technical ones, their mobile GPU drivers are a shame and insult, a real joke then.
Is Nvidia going bankrupt soon, perhaps ? Really, for being so desperate at attacking Intel like this... they must be really dumb..
Best defence is a ridiculous offence....
Interesting.... after Daniel Pohl's experiments and subsequent emplyment at Intel I would have said that its the rasterising video accelerator is on its last legs and not the CPU. Which of the three players players in this market are lacking in that department?.Intel > Nvidia
I don't mean to imply that Intel is a better company than Nvidia (in terms of quality, ingenuity, whatever) but Intel is a much, much, much bigger company with a much larger market than Nvidia.I don't know how LRB is going to shape up, but my understanding of the whole GPU/Intel thing is that the high-performance GPU market has traditionally been too small for Intel to care about; hence the more 'CPU-like' architecture of LRB. Intel wants to sell you a graphics card, but they also want Google to buy 1000k of them for number crunching, and Apple to put them in all of their machines, and so on.
And I don't care what Nvidia says - if AMD can't keep up with Intel with it's own fabs and pretty good process, what does Nvidia think they are going to do? They don't even have fabs, they use TSMC. Do they even have 65nm yet?
Intel is years ahead of everyone else on process - they're selling chips at 45nm right now and ramping up for the next step already. Intel weathered the AMD scare on process alone; now that they've got their act together and are coming out with good architecture, Nvidia won't be horning in on the CPU market anytime soon...
CPU is Dead
The reason a 3D card struggles if its not a top liner is caused by what features its trying to use and obviously can't manage it as well. If no feature set card is found then the graphics are by default disabled so image quality is greatly reduced and the CPU can cope. GPU is vital for topline visual content. There is no cheese without one.Intel is rolling an interesting but danerous loaded die here. It has AMD/ATi breathing down its neck with the strengthening spider platform and then turns to shoot down the killer GPU that's providing the only thing keeping its CPU flagship C2D in the game "the way it's meant to be played."
Samuel C3's with GeForce 9800 X 2 would be preferable than C2D multi-muscle with Laughable graphics. If Intel has languished for so long with a second rate GPU I fail to see how it can come to the party overnight to combat the might of nVidia and ATi who are the masters of that domain without question.
The strength of AMD/ATi integrated will be its ability to work together and also totally independant of discrete graphics to give it the maximum flexibility of power efficiency and first rate gaming and video performance.
Good luck Intel. I fair thee well on thy llonely voyage. Remember the Titanic. That too was the biggest thing of its type in the world at that time but when driven wrecklessly we know what happened. 100th aniversary coming up in 2012 might be prophetic?
AMD In Trouble
He does know that AMD own ATi so he must assume because AMD are in trouble (which they might be but people are still buying there processors and GPUs).That ATi is dead then I dont think so there are still a hell of a lot of ATi fans out there. Least ATi is getting drivers out that improve games etc nVidia treat customers like s**t.
GO NVIDIA!!!
GO NVIDIA!!! Serve up a can of "whoop-ass" to Intel just like Jen-Hsun said.GPUS are great at rasterization
but not any good at ray tracing.Ray tracing is the future of video games, and there wont be any gpu for that. Future of gaming systems = 16core processor with no gpu. go intel! Do some research.
they both have it wrong
This article is correct in that, dollar for dollar, you will get a MUCH better computing experience by upgrading your GPU compared to upgrading your CPU for an end-user system.But you can't go without a CPU, and for a server, you definitely want to put that money in to the CPU.
For the forseeable future, we are going to need both. Nobody will challenge Nvidia's lead nor Intel's lead in there respective (and essential) niches.
Shared Memory Bus is the problem
The reason CPUs are not advancing as fast as the GPU, is even if you add more CPU cores, they all have to access the same shared RAM over the Shared Memory Bus. As a result, bottlenecking occures, preventing all the CPU cores from getting the data they need in a timely manner.The fix is obvious, but would require a complete rethinking of computers. Each CPU core would need access to its own, non-shared RAM, but still retain Read access from the other CPU's RAM (to prevent deadlocks from occuring).
Of course, this would mean the vast majority (all) programs will have major issues, as coding is done on the assumption that all system RAM is avaliable for use for all CPU cores.
Some people
actually *work* with their computers. Yes. I know this sounds incredible and hard to believe, but there are millions and millions of people who *work* on their computers. And very, very few of them, are ever going to need, a GPU. Unless it can run Office ofcourse...When there`s no expansion ports
Slowly everything is already on a chipset and soon the GPU will be on the CPU so Intel could decide not to bother with expansion ports (what else mainly runs on PCI-E2?) without expanstion ports where will Nvidia put it`s card.... yep only on it own chipset so effectively putting itself in a cupboard and closing the door and after a long while if the computer industry stops for a minute or so it will hear crying behind the door so it`s now that Nvidia should ask to be brought by Intel...All talk
Reminds me of the guy who declared OS is dead.I'll believe it when I see it. People should hold the BS till they actually have a product.
yeah right....
I would say it's possibly the other way around. Your average computer user (ie. most of them) have no need for high end, faster and faster GPUs. A hell of a lot of people who use computers don't even play games and also use a dvd player and tv to watch movies, the sofa has a lot to do with it.Great no CPU!...wait...where are the drivers?
I'm so freaking pleased that CPUs are dead! Now we just have to wait for nVidia to code some drivers and we can log in to Windows and get some processing done.so...sometime in 2020 then?
I'm off to bash the bishop.
more like GPU is obsolete
There is so much unused capacity within the multicore architecture that a more likely scenario will see the GPU either simply combined with the CPU or replaced by a multicore cpu. In fact we need to dump the whole concept of a motherboard altogether in favor of Microblades, 1 or 2 quad cores w/chipset and memory plugging into a backplane. Need more power: add another microblade. There is no reason why a core can not be a dedicated GPU.GPU speeds are past the point where the eye can notice any physical difference. What is slowing down the industry is software.
Your time has come NVidia
It sure sounds like NVidia is pretty upset that they are being pushed out of the PC market. They had the luxury of riding with Intel and AMD over the last few decades and now, they see their operating space diminsihing and their profits most inevitably going straight down hill. It really sounds like NVidia is trying to direct Intel into some sort of lawsuit for their benefit by poking on the hornet's nest.Protest Too much!
The sadest part here is the attitude NVIDIA has toward its customers. It is reflected in people like this Roy who wrote this email. Do a little research on the guy and you will find that he is nothing but a used car salesmen, who barely knows how to turn on a computer much less anything about how one actually works. That kind of "supposed leaking of an email" would have him fired in any smart thinking company. However NVIDIA belivies that its users are stupid. They believe they can tell them oh buy SLI because you need it. When 15 mins. of research will show SLI is a joke and severe waste of hard earned money. Or always put out crappy drivers and then say hey look everyone comes to download our drivers. Well yeah they have to because they are hoping the new ones will finally work. The bottom line here is that a change is coming and Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA should be nervous. However have you noticed Intel and AMD have not said a whole lot(granted they have commented) while NVIDIA is spouting off like a drunk prom date that just got dumped. letting thier VP send out missives like that only makes NVIDIA look bad and AMD and Intel look like they do not have VP's that are monkey boys!!! Me doth think ye protest to much NVIDIA....The CPU dead ? Nah.
I have said it before and this is the perfect time to say it again : graphics is just like sound, once you have fluid performance in all cases, the war is over.Why does Nvidia still have a market ? Because framerates are still sweeping the floor in Crysis and such.
The day that you can buy a $150 PC that can run anything you throw at it at a rock-stable 60fps, that will be the day that Nvidia closes down.
And it will happen. Just like with sound cards, once we got stereo quality, there was a long period of nothing until Creative jump-started the Dolby revolution. Once we all have 7.1 (or 12.3 if Creative really tries to push it) sound chips integrated on the motherboard, Creative will be dead as well.
And Intel will, in all probability, still be there, churning out the cores that make it happen.
Because Intel has fabs.
the GPU is a CPU !
...and visa-versa.-thats not news. I'mean we're talking PC x86scrap technology u know, with the 'ole BIOS -wow !!!
-but as far as PC's go its ALL graphics anyway, big deal.
-The Server world, which runs the entire Internet, sure don't give a _______., in fact the more bandwidth you'll need for all that eye-candy, is more you'll have to pay for those bigger pipes.
yup, Its all good kiddies.
GPU will kill the CPU market, not the CPU.
The CPU will not die in the literal sense (there's gotta be a host), only the market to continue expanding its performance: i.e. people to keep buying new technology. Nvidia brought us CUDA and this programming interface indicates the start of the CPU's downfall. Intel realizes this and knows at some point (5-10 yrs.) the combination of new parallel-educated programmers and the evolution of GPU hardware and CUDA-like software interfaces will make the GPU easy/easier to program. After this occurs most intensive jobs (at least any that can be parallelized) done on the CPU will all be done on the GPU. The old way of jacking up the clock speed went bye-bye 5 years ago...way too much heat. This is why we're seeing multi-cores. Intel's got quad-core and soon octo-core. Well Nvidia already has 128 streaming multi-processors. If you're clever with CUDA you can get 100-300x speed-up over CPUs on compute intensive parallel applications such as MRI processing and protein folding, not to mention the obvious advantages in rendering. As memory latency/bandwidth bottleneck gets removed between the host CPU and GPU with the coming PCIe 2.0 etc. more and more work will be getting done on the GPU. Intel sees the writing on the wall. They stayed in the serial compute game too long and have had to make a frantic switch to a more parallel approach to stay competitive/profitable. Anyone remember that joke 80-core publicity stunt chip they displayed? What about all this talk about moving graphics onto the CPU? It's obvious they know it's the future of the market. Nvidia has got the big head-start on everyone and CUDA is the proof. Intel may not be dead, but in 5 years the market for them to keep coming up with new state-of-the-science CPUs could be.