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Why AMD is set to go fabless

Analysis Real men flog fabs

AMD IS GOING TO go fabless. The chip maker is likely to split into a fabless semi outfit and a foundry. The interesting parts are in the details, and there are a lot of potential ups and downs.

According to our research, the impetus for this move comes from two sides: the desperate need for money and the oodles of capacity they firm has. Fab 36 is running at a decent enough clip, but 38 next to it sitting almost idle. AMD could equip it, fire up the lines and make chips, but for what buyers? With Luther Park options coming up soon, they will have even more capacity than before, and a huge capital outlay to make the fab. They don't need the capacity and don't have the capital.

AMD could simply abandon the Luther Park plans, but there is a billion dollar subsidy attached to it, and that is a lot of money. Even if they only make the fab and sell it, the potential to pocket the cash remains.

So, what do you do? Spin off the fabs to a separate company and sell that to pay off your debt. Silly as it sounds, they did much the same with flash and Spansion. AMD has two state-of-the-art-ish fabs in Dresden and a billion dollar off coupon for upstate NY. Together, they are worth a lot of money, and selling them would pay off the debt AMD has amassed.

That is exactly what they are going to do. The real question is to whom, and that is easy - Abu Dhabi. The emirate already owns almost 10 per cent of AMD, and is awash with money. AMD may not be an AAA investment, but unlike most companies, it has something to offer any country that buys it, technology.

There are few players in the world that can make 45nm parts, and fewer still that are for sale. A buy like this could be the catalyst for the founding of a national technology program, or simply a few billion dollars for bragging rights. Either way, think ulterior motives that are not immediately monetary.

AMD would split into American Micro Devices, the design firm likely run by Dirk, and Arab Micro Devices, coined by Theo and run by Hector. The influx of cash would be sufficient to pay off the amassed debts and bankroll some of the future plans. Lets call the child firms AMD Design and AMD Foundry.

Simple as this sounds though, there are some snags. First is the Intel license, it stipulates that there is a 20 per cent cap on non-AMD produced wafers, and Intel probably isn't in a mood to loosen those rules. That means that AMD Design would have to own at least 51 per cent of AMD Foundry until the contract is renegotiated sometime around 2010.

Because of this, AMD would only be able to cash in on half the value of the fabs immediately. This may seem like an impediment, but that 49 per cent is still potentially worth billions. The selling price would likely fall into the 'enough' category. In 2010, the negotiations begin anew and any new deal would probably not have that clause, allowing the other half to be sold off.

Other interesting details are what happens to the fab partners, namely Chartered and IBM. They both make wafers, and neither is looking particularly healthy. One source suggested that Foundry could subsume the businesses of IBM and Chartered, making the resultant company a huge player in the field.

This makes a lot of sense, both from the size perspective, and from the IP perspective. AMD is good at SOI wafers but has very little experience with bulk of late. About 5 per cent of the world's wafer need is SOI, and Foundry would have three mega-fabs pumping out SOI, more than anyone will ever want.

If they suck in IBM and Chartered, they get bulk IP, and the ability to do more mainstream wafers as well. Basically, they will have enough product breadth to go around and make a viable company.

Other sources also mentioned something that is sure to come up in the conspiracy side of things. Intel has a lot of investments in Israel, and by some accounts is facing boycotts by countries that do not like the Israelis. On the ground, this doesn't seem to have slowed down any purchases, and is mainly rhetoric.

With Foundry being owned by in large part by Arabic interests, it sets the conspiracy mill churning at a mind-numbing rate. It is unlikey to affect more than a handful of sales, but the war of words is going to be astounding, count on it.

At the end of the day, you will have two companies, and one will own the majority of the second. With luck, Design will take the cash injection and run with it, the albatross removed from around its neck. Foundry could become a major player in the semiconductor world with five large and state of the art fabs, along with a bunch of tier one customers from the start.

If all goes wrong, you will have two companies that ride each other into oblivion. Initially, if Design can't make designs people want, Foundry will have nothing to make, and will have found, pun intended, the weak spot of this plan.

Whatever happens after the deal is done, we are very confident that this deal will happen. The company will be split, the business will be divided as specified, and the cash infusion will alleviate the most immediate concern of the company.

From that point, it is simply up to them to do the work, design the parts, and fab them. The slate is clean, AMD Design and AMD Foundry will simply have to execute from that point on, or it was all for naught. µ

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Comments

Bulk IP vs SOI IP

I'm curious to understand the major differences between process IP around SOI vs process IP around bulk Si... you do realize the process steps after you buy the substrate are rather similar?I think you are making a bigger deal out of this then is reality - there are certainly integration challenges, but come on...

Also any FTC implications? Last I checked AMD is still a US company and exporting 45nm tech to Abu may raise some flags? (even assuming IBM OK's it?). The key about the Abu investments in many of the US companies is they are less than 10% and are passive. I suspect if they have even a minority holding interest he US govt will look at it carefully.

At least now we know what Asset lite is/was - a completely made up farce for AMD to buy some time and figure out what to do. "We can't tell you" was code for we have no clus ad are trying to figure something out. And the press bought in, hook line and sinker. I don't see AMD getting more than 40cents on the (already cheap) dollar.
posted by : hank, 02 April 2008

Cool story

I thought YESTERDAY was the 1st of April ... or is it that jokes can continue the whole week?

That's a loooong, boring story ... and I think a purely personal opinion. Well I guess I'd better start checking other sites for news.

'Cause brothers Grimm are dead ... or are they?
posted by : Felician Balint, 02 April 2008

Is this just speculation?

Is this just a nice fiction story or does it have any new FUD behind it?
posted by : Daniel de França MTd2, 02 April 2008

Promoting the Sale of AMD

AMD won't even give INQUIRER the time of day much less an interview.
Your talk about selling the Company and the complexity of a sale is way beyond a journalist ability to understand and comment as you have.
I wonder what your financial interest is in the sale. Why don't you stop kicking good competition when there down. Creating mega Company's like Intel and the old AT&T isn't good for competition. We need these all these Company's for completion. Help rather than pull them down.
posted by : Bob, 02 April 2008

AMD remains viable

... even though they try their best to screw things up. AMD should be run by serious businessmen, not geeks with aspirations.

Instead of screwing up already existing deals - and taking into account the US economy is in such a bad shape, wouldn't it make more sense for them to find some more financing from the outside (not the Twilight Zone)?

No one talks about that Dubai investment fund that took a stake in AMD...
posted by : JeanChevreuil, 02 April 2008

Luther Forest

It's only a small detail, but it's Luther Forest not Luther Park. And the development company is calling it Luther Forest Technology Campus. A lot has been done to develop the site, but so far lots of money has been spent and there is nothing to show for it.
posted by : CMN in Malta, 02 April 2008

Crazy

Man you and your stories lolol...
You are such a crazy guy.
posted by : Marco, 04 January 2008

Great Babellish Confoundry, Sam!

"I feel exactly like some rube who shelled out $5.6 billion for ATI. I wish the r'Inq had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened. Here. The last pages are for the Fellowship of the r'Inq. I think it's some sort of Welshestershire rhuine."
If you lo it elflike samwise...
"Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!"
of some other such dervish.
posted by : karlsbad of Kahndoor, Intelsabeth, 02 April 2008

Its' Pretty Complex

Its Brick & Mortar Job, So Worth Plenty. However, Here's Point, IS House Worth More Than Charlie, Marty?

Processors Take 20 years to Prepare, most of that Time is DOD Testing. Entire TEAM of Peoples, engineers, is assembled from School preperations to Working design to Final Implementation, Its NOT just walk in & Order Latest Stuff, from?. Even once Public, Each Design Team, FAB, has 2 years finalizing Design & 2 years Final field Tests of Large arrays of Corporate nature. Then Retail Public gets Few Last Years & Last Modifications to Work in Such Variable Enviorment.What Worked Gets Sold.

Actual FAB is Starting Point of Manufacture, Yet is years out of organiztion & Core Design Phase. Fab is Walls in Location where TEAM Ended up. It works until Teams Technology is too old. Then its Warehouse of various parts, including Knock offs'.

There is NO Further Ability to Manufacturer anything, merely wholesale distribution channel point for next FABS To Take Advantage Of.

Selling FAB is NOT Selling Company in any WAY. Plenty of FABS are Quietly putting their package together, it just takes LONG Time.
AMD Turned Barton Springs into Housing Project, Next Fab may do anything with their investments & property. Yet, its isn't AMD, its Local TEAM Finalizing its Investment with AMD. Abujavie cann't start FAB anywhere except in Sultoms Ultie Undies in adugibber Land.Just Personal Communications Gap would Be Way Too Great.

So, Put Charles in Car for Bed & BTW Charles. Use Garden House when in Town, All Empty Properties Are Mein.
Thomas Drashek
posted by : Selling_Charlie, 04 January 2008

Contradicition

I remember someone talking about the way AMD designs and executes... It may be that you were the writer. Anyway the article was talking about a very strong interdependency between the design teams behind the desks and the engineers in the fabs. Something like the later guys adjusting the designs churned out by the former guys. If that story is true and I got it (understood it) right, than this story is plain SF: one can't live without the other.
posted by : Pok, 03 April 2008

Capacity problems?

Last time I checked, AMD owned ATi. AMD/ATi designs GPUs, chipsets, chips for mobile devices, etc that it manufactures them elsewhere (TSMC is it?). Also, not that long ago, AMD used Chartered to manufacture some of its processors... or maybe this contract is still on? So, I don't really see why AMD's fabs will sit idle. It would make much more sense if the ATI team started design implementations for AMD fabrication tech.
posted by : Andreas, 03 April 2008

Spin-off Spinola

AMD is not a privately held company, it's owned by its stock holders. So if they spin off the Fabs, they would have to give the current stock holders so many shares of Fab for each share of AMD that they hold.

It would then be up to the Fab shareholders to decide as to whether or not they wish to sell their shares in the Fab.

Of course this is up to the share holders as to whether or not they even wish to spin off the fabs. Or of course the share holders could also vote on out right selling the fabs, but a spin off seems more likely, if anything was to happen.

What happened to the good old days when we would be talking about mergers rather than spin offs. Mergers are always more fun.
posted by : JoeTate, 05 January 2008

errr...

ideally, its nice to read at but in real-life its much more complicated to pull it off and so un-american (or atleast, untexan).

amd is a good company, unfortunately its ran purely by geeksters (the rest could just be retards, pun intended). in technology terms, they know when the right time to pull the shots but often, marketing wins the day. it isn't bad if they put a dash of equally good marketeers just like intel's, keep the sales vs engineering quarrel alive and not with some geeker wannabecome marketurd who keeps on waiting for a vacant train that will never come.
posted by : agent orange, 04 April 2008
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