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Intel customers demand answers on server IO

IDF Spring 2008 Where's the business benefit?

FIRMS THAT HAVE committed to large blade commitments and " green" payoffs have told the INQ they want to know whether firms like Intel, AMD, Sun, HP and even IBM will put their money behind what they're promising by developing future tech.

A senior datacentre manager told the INQ this evening that customers of chip vendors are being told over and over again about chip roadmaps, and asked to commit to buying tin, without the microprocessor guys giving any indication when the software makers will be brought into line.

"IO," said one manager of a major datacentre, is the great big bottleneck. He said that AMD blades performed better by between 10 and 50 per cent in his corporation, and he'd asked Intel over and over again when it would deliver this kind of throughput. If it can't produce chipsets, who can, he asked.

He is chip agnostic - indeed he said that in terms of cost, microprocessors were the least thing on his mind. The cost of developing SMP for multicore " solutions" is on his mind because his bosses needed to know, in a real time environment, which was the best answer.

The senior man, who declined to be named, said the microprocessor vendors repeated endlessly their claims, and put him under non disclosure agreements (NDAs).

His firm, he said, had been promised things endlessly by Intel, Sun, IBM and AMD, but his bosses demanded to know which benefits would deliver advantages in financial terms.

The software suppliers are as culpable as the chip vendors, he said. The chip vendors are totally amortised in relation to the huge software costs, which is why he had tipped up at IDF, Shanghai, paying for the trip himself.

Intel had promised him an answer for two years on IO, he said, but he is still waiting for it. It is getting crucial for his business.

He wants an answer to questions AMD, Intel and the others are not giving. And he needs an answer for his bosses and his customers, fast. µ

Comments

VMMark Data shows the IO

Type in "vmmark results" in google, and go to the results page. Check the Dell R900 versus the Dell 2950iii findings. Then go to Dell's page and compare pricing. Interesting, eh? The server with twice the CPU's is only perhaps 35% faster. Meanwhile, the software that is on it is licensed at $5500 per CPU socket. Kit and kaboodle, the R900 is twice as expensive per unit of VMMark than the 2950. R900 is clearly IO bound.

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posted by : Courageous, 31 March 2008

OK, but are his QUESTIONS covered by NDAs ???

It would have been a lot more informative to at least read the kinds of QUESTIONS this smart guy is asking, even though all the ANSWERS he's been getting are under NDA.
posted by : rickst29, 31 March 2008

Informed sources say...

Typical Inq and Magee drivel... nameless quotes that we are supposed to believe to be real.
posted by : Fred Snark, 01 January 2008

a blade cuts both ways

"...AMD blades performed better by between 10 and 50 per cent..."
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oh dear, that certainly won't do. not to fear though, synchronized swimming for your viewing pleasure comes before wednesday's platform diving event... it's for the good of the whole...
posted by : number9, 31 March 2008

10 to 50 Percent

The 10 to 50 percent is consistent with my DBMS based tests comparing Intel and AMD servers with virtually identical prices. - Neal
posted by : Neal Nelson, 02 January 2008

futurama automata

Not to side with such things, but as anyone who's dealt with at least some product support helpdesks can attest, companies are in the habit of fobbing off customers, or simply ignoring them if their repetitive standardised replies don't make the annoying bothersome questions go away.

Even Tesco's are that way to me when I ask them why they keep deleting popular product lines, especially the ones I buy a lot of, and especially since it contradicts what they earlier claimed would be their policy.

Don't you see? There's an US and there's a THEM, and if you want to be a THEM then you have to wear a brainslug and sell your soul.

An alternative way out - install Linux or a free Unix version and use shareware and freeware: problem solved.
Sadly, I'm limited to supermarkets for most of my grocery-type shopping.



posted by : zupakomputer, 31 March 2008

who is driving this boat

Mean while back on the ranch what we have now is synchronized swimming and platform diving in the same pool at the same time . And we are the ones sinking 10=50% faster
posted by : Jeff Barron, 31 March 2008

clueless about S/W

The senior man seems to be one of those types that thinks if you get 9 women working on it he can get a baby in a month.

The s/w folks have to get ahold of the h/w, get documentation for instruction sets, get some idea of what the heck the senior man wants to see it do, and be allowed to work the project without some clueless accountant pulling funding for 3 months.

That's why so many of us prefer opensource, and of course we have no money for the latest multicore systems.
posted by : cutis rendon, 31 March 2008
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