It is odd...

...that there is so much vocal discussion of Tibet in "the West" (whatever that may be). After all, the Chinese annexed Tibet some 50 years ago and have been running it fairly smoothly ever since. Even the Dalai Lama has long ceased to call for Tibetan independence. The level of protest is comparable to that of the independence movements in Wales and Scotland - and of course a lot less violent than what we have seen in Ireland. Meanwhile, our armed forces are occupying Afghanistan and Iraq, and in the latter have smashed the infrastructure, caused over 1 million excess deaths, and made over 5 million people homeless. Not many protests about that. So yes, the Chinese are quite right: there is a lot of hypocrisy going on.

"more and more verbal"?

Don't you mean "more and more vocal"?

AT adds: you're a smart guy. How'd you like a job with us?

AT really adds: Nice try but no cigar.

It`s how things are done these days

Lol media starts intervention of the US Army. Every single mission of peace keaping that the USA started had this course:
First plague the public view of the problem, in a way that serves the interest of our contry leadership (the top 1% of capital owners)
and then send the Army (+navy, airforce...) and conquer the contry.
Now you can exploit the natural resources of the country with the world thinking that you are a stabilization force...

CNN is biased

As an Israeli, I can tell you CNN is VERY biased and also, on occasion, actually outright lies. I stopped watching CNN altogether since 2001 when they were so unbelievably one-sided and full of BS that it actually made me cry (from frustration).

Not again

"It is odd...
...that there is so" Ah yes, we're so bad that we shouldn't say anything... and let the "people" in dictatorial governments do whatever their perverted minds please. You do realise that we criticise our own governments as well don't you?

Media/world bias

I do agree that the media is represting things in a different light.

For one, no one is actually calling Tibet what it really is, an OCCUPIED TERRITORY.

And as with all countries that opress freedom, free speech is extremly insulting to them. So people with unpopular onions have a tendancy to be silenced, one way or another.

China is a great country, unfortunately it is simply not used to western standards. When George Michael was showing his MTV clip of Tony Blain as George W. Bush's dog was there a great public outcry?

It's just one of those things that happen with free speech. Let's wait a few years and see what the chinese will do when their media will have absolute freedom.

So here I am, expressing my free speech.
I call all those people and nations that call "the occupied territories" in Israel to call the horse by it's name. Tibet IS an occupied territory.

@Tom Welsh

So it's better to be silent about everything...

All of them.

I think only a completely blind fool would fail to see that indeed all media is biased, and not just CNN, they should check out BBC for instance, or ABC, or FOX (whom often get the biased label but are just average really when plotted against the rest) andsoforth.
It has become a (fierce) contest who can be most bias and in line with 'official' views.

....

Tom is right, there is a lot of hypocrisy going on in the west. Especially from fascist americans that feel threatened (when theres no threat).. but then they are a bunch of warmongers.

chinese crap

what they are doing are true (tibetans).... my family escaped china long ago.... trust me if normal tibetan farmers and peace loving old people have the courage to do riots in a strict and notorious country like china.... it means theres definitely something very wrong.... just ask the chinese people here in america... why do you think we are here anyway?

Dirty rotten tricks ....?

Maybe this article throws some light on the subject of Tibet ..... http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/JC26Ad02.html

one correction about history

Tibet has been under Central China Government control since several hundred years ago, but not just 50 years.

CNN for news ? LOL

Going to CNN for "news" , what a joke. CNN is nothing more then a WhiteHouse propaganda machine. The war in Iraq is the perfect example for that. If you are using "Youtube" for the news what does that tell you about CNN. If you think the Chinese Goverment is bad, just go read the "Patriot Act".

China and Tibet

For centuries, the Chinese ignored Tibet while the mandarins were busy at home. Then the ChiComs took over and decide that Tibet is part of China? Why not claim that India is part of China also? The whole basis of their claim is based on being able to savagely put down any opposition to their military conquest of Tibet.

Same point applies to Formosa, the Chinese didn't give a damn about it for centuries until the ChiComs gained power, and anxious to finally crush the Chinese Nationalist Party of Sun Yat-Sen, they claim that Formosa is part of China. Under that theory, perhaps the US should just annex Canada and Mexico. After all, we have much more military strength than both countries together, so who's to stop us?

Note to Tom Welsh:

Where did you ever come up with the insight that the Dalai Lama has given up on Tibetian independence? You talk to him lately? Being a Buddist holy man of the highest order, it just isn't in his mien to belabor a useless point. Until China removes their occupying forces, there is no point in going on about a free Tibet.

Also, where did you come up with those outrageous numbers for the pain and suffering we've caused in Afghanistan and Iraq? Either provide a legitimate source for your declarations or stop being George Soros' stooge, that is, if you are able.

It steams me when Westerners whine like useless petty sissies about the "evils" committed by the U.S., particularly its military, but applaud the military conquests of other countries with dictatorial governments. Such phoney blathering. I know senior military officers (two star Marine generals), and also Iraqi citizens who have had to escape to the U.S. because of the sectarian violence that was violently suppressed by the Bathist regime. But that's okay for you Bolshevo-Stalinist parasites, just so long as your lust for "news" about your favorite celebrities isn't impacted by the reporting on the efforts by our military while you sit around in Starbucks sipping on your sissy cafe lates.

If there is any life form more useless than a New Age liberal, I have no idea what it could possibly be. Even amoebas have more use than a New Age liberal. At least old school liberals had some semblance of reality in their thoughts, not like the shallow, insipid, useless parasites who have turned liberal into a dirty word.

Propaganda

This site is mere lying propaganda. As an example, if you look at the picture with the ambulance, the caption says "There is a heavy military prescence in Lhasa". However, if you compare it with the picture at

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7300312.stm
.
you can see that the original caption said : "There have been many reports of injuries and deaths in Lhasa."

Propaganda. *sighs* This is what Communism hath built.

Gullible's Travails Belays Pilgrim's Progress

And here I was for my entire life believing in the infallibility of the Western "free" press, and inate sincerity of its correspondents. Supermarket tabloidism excepted, the great Western-unwashed (but perhaps baptised), was endued with the fuzzy intimate vestment of trust, met daily by the press. Such dogma was ironed as solidly as an iron curtain. Having no benefit by birth and predestined into the doctrines of a Totalitarianism upbringing, we supposed, much like Phil Collins, that "it's a world of confusion[ism?]". Fortunately, I've gleaned the good sense to imitate the oaths of Dr. Spinola. I tuned into BBC America, and can now happily assert that I'm well on my way to perdition! As for the West being converted to Sinology, how much can be conveyed when their word for "Polo" is "Marko"?

Tibet

People who believe that it isn't all that bad in Tibet should just try to put "Tibet" in their Google alerts for a few days and try not to cry.

My girlfriend worked for one of the organizations to save Tibet (there's a difference between saving and freeing here, as some organizations strive to liberate Tibet, while others try to at least save them from the worst the Chinese government is throwing at them) and couldn't stand it anymore. The Chinese government is blatantly lying about just about everything and the constant stream of information coming out of Tibet in other ways shows the absolute atrocities that are taking place there. People shot daily by border patrols that ask questions later, if ever. Underage people sentenced to 20 years in jail for attempting to attend a prayer for world peace in India, who was hired-without-pay to build the olympic stadiums, etc, etc, it never stops.

Hit up google, read up on information from different sources, make up your own mind, and then maybe actually try to do your part, however small. At least be glad we have the ability to do these things when we so choose.

To a degree...

First of all I am Canadian. Being Canadian I am fully aware of what state/provincial Independence is all about (yes I said about not aboot). In Canada, we have a province named Québec. This province has often sought out Independence from Canada and although one can argue that Independence was denied by way of a Democratic vote (referendum) it doesn't take a genius to look into the illegal actions of the Canadian government thwarting the Independence movement. It is much the same in China with Tibet. If Tibetans want their Independence than I support them. I know China is not a Democratic nation, and I know it is a communist dictatorship but it is still wrong for China to deny Tibet a chance at Independence. If they were serious about things not being fair they would allow the Tibetans the choice to vote on a clear question but they don't. I am also not oblivious to Tibetan history and the violent slavery that had infested Tibet prior to Chinese rule. It's still no excuse. As for CNN, MSNBC, Fox News or CBS... simply look at how they've lied and mislead the American population with regards to Reverend Wright he is NOT a racist.. simply look over his entire sermons for some context.

Dalai Lama

To the very knowledgeable Rich Wargo:

Quote from the web site:
http://www.dalailama.com/page.70.htm

I would like to take this opportunity to express my pride in and appreciation for the sincerity, courage and determination of the Tibetan people inside Tibet. I urge them to continue to work peacefully and within the law to ensure that all the minority nationalities of the People's Republic of China, including the Tibetan people, enjoy their legitimate rights and benefits.

Dalai Lama is a wise man.

History

If you look at the old maps, it appears that China was more a part of greater Tibet than Tibet a part of China...

check the previous version

JK have you seen the cached version?
Do you even read Chinese?
The version on that website is the original article.
the BBC changed the title after complaints.
Check in google cache if you don't believe.
It seems you are the ignorant one here.

Yeah, go ahead Middle North America!

The Middle North America already annexed Hawaii, parts of Mexico, and a lot of parts of other world. You might as well get Mexico, and Canada. How about even mainland Alaska?

I see Middle North America having too many of their fingers in other parts of the world.

@Rich Wargo

Just to clarify, Rich. You asked "Where did you ever come up with the insight that the Dalai Lama has given up on Tibetian independence?"

I heard it on the BBC. For more details, see (among many other easily available sources): http://www.dalailama.com/news.42.htm

You also wrote "Also, where did you come up with those outrageous numbers for the pain and suffering we've caused in Afghanistan and Iraq?"

Try starting with http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=88

You could also read http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/26/europe/EU-GEN-Britain-Iraq-Death-Toll.php

No one has ever made any convincing criticism of the two Johns Hopkins studies published in The Lancet. Bush and Blair "condemned the methodology", but I think we all know how much they know about science and mathematics. And, of course, the UK MoD's chief scientist said the methodology was well-nigh perfect.

Shamed on BBC. At least they shouldn't fake the updating time.

google cache of the bbc link

http://google.com/search?q=cache:news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7300312.stm

Really doubts about what they are talking now.

Re: Shamed on BBC. At least they shouldn't fake the updating time.

Google cache updates regularly. This is a screen shot from the cache with the older version.

http://dolc.de/forum/attachments/20080323_70e4a6a07cfb3c123109bHXUZ7l7djX9.jpg

For the whole thing, I have to say CNN and BBC was unprofessional.

It is so strange that for things seems to be black and white before, I just can’t take a side now.

double standard

by the notion of what some of you hold it would alright for the Indian people to kill people and loot stores and attempt to gain independence from USA due to how they've been mistreated?

And USA is "occupied territory" of the native Indian people?

The western world is fighting "terrorism" in Middle East, and support "freedom fighters" in China.

Yeah, draw your own conclusions.

RE: Propaganda

RE: Propaganda
>> posted by : JK, 29 December 2007

Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/03/26/index.html to check youself. BBC's editor already admitted it's a mistake.