9600GT recalled, 9800X2 delayed
More Nvidian release woes
IT LOOKS LIKE Nvidia is firing on no cylinders lately. The firm can't seem to get a product out on time. There is one bright spot: the count on the 9600GT delays has gone up by 50 per cent.
That may not be a bright spot, but the so far twice delayed 9600GT, (specs here) appears to have been recalled. Some OEMs are getting the call to yank them, others not yet, or not at the time they talked to us. What this means is more and more delay, this time we are not sure how much though. An educated guess would be CeBIT, because what else are they going to launch there?
Oh yes, we probably should mention that the 9800X2, or whatever they call it, has also moved from CeBIT to the end of March, for now. Before you get all hot and bothered, this is basically a couple of downclocked G92s on 2 PCBs.
It will be decently fast, but it will also be expensive. The cheapest we can find a G92 based GT with 512MB memory is about $210, and a GTS for about $260. That compares to $185 and $210 for the ATI 3850 and 3870 respectively. This means that he NV cards have a premium over the ATI cards at all points.
Toss in that NV can't make them on one PCB, duals are expensive, as are board cut-outs, and you have a huge price premium over the 3870X2. Add in that OEMs hate dual PCB boards, and you are looking at another losing streak in the making. Are we staring down the barrel of another 7950? NV could not show working boards at CES, so, like Hybrid, things are looking grim.
There is a bit of good news though, the 8800GT is going to have a price drop in short order, as sill most of the lower line (8600 and down). We are not sure how much, but look for $10-20. µ
Comments
Delays!
Is there any news on the 9800GTX? Is that still on the cards for the end of February or has that been held back along with the 9800GX2?Bad chipset?
Is this a problem with the chipset, or is the IHV's tired of NVIDIA destroying the speed their 600 / value cards. IMHO the 8600 series is the worst trick since the GeForce4 MX.HUH?
Charlie, how do you figure the GTS is the competitor for the 3870? The GT, at the same price, runs the same games at higher visual quality (resolution, AA, AF, and/or in game settings). Isn't it time The Inq made peace with NVIDIA? We want an end to video card FUD. We want the truth.FUD
"The cheapest we can find a G92 based GT with 512MB memory is about $210, and a GTS for about $260. That compares to $185 and $210 for the ATI 3850 and 3870 respectively. This means that he NV cards have a premium over the ATI cards at all points."Eh? Both G92 chips are a lot faster than the ATI's offerings, hence the higher price. You could compare 8800 GT to 3870 and you'll see 8800GT beating it with the same price... who was it that won again?
truth?
you want truth? LOLseems that Nvidia's inability to put two cores on the same PCB is the truth.
ATI is starting to get some things right, and Nvidia's can't afford too many fub-up's.
Good news, the consumer seems to benefit from the competition, isn't capitolism and greed just grand? :)
TGDAILY?
Charlie, I thought you'd jumped ship to Tgdaily ??What the hell!
OK, why are they wasting time on that 9800GX2 when they could just put out a more reliable, affordable, desirable product (the 9800GTX)? This is ridiculous.At this rate I might be able to justify buying an 8800GT or GTS 512MB instead of waiting.
Trick Up Sleeve
With how long it has been since 8800 series should we not be seeing a full revision not just tweaks and renaming? I cannot help but feel they have something they are hiding and almost ready to release but keeping us busy with news of all these other revision cards etc.I am liking the potential of the 9600 for midrange. Going with the current specs. Hope NV is not pushing OEM's to not OC these or push them in ways they should to up the value. That would be unfortunate
9800 gtx
The 9800 gtx is supposed to be using the g100 chip, so don't hold your breath waiting for that..ATI has it together.
I'm glad AMD bought them. I'd hate to see the mess if AMD had bought Nvidia. AMD's CPU division is down with the flu, and Nvidia's GPU's just can't live up to expectations, or arrive on time.I've always said ATI and Nvidia leapfrog each other. I bet the 4870's will be out in June before Nvidia gets a G100 based product and don't even count on an unannounced 9800gtx making it to market soon.
grow up
seriously, your articles are getting ridiculous with all that senseless nvidia bashing.takes a lot of fun out of reading an otherwise excellent news site.
ATI & AMD
seems like their both having isssuesI've been both an AMD, Intel, ATI, Nnvidia consumer myself, dont bash either one
its pointless...i focus on price, ATI's cheaper i go for it, Nvidias drivers are much MUCH better than ATI's so i think this evens out
i still gotta voodoo 3 agp card, and an nvidia 16mb card , gotta 9800 pro, 9700 pro, 5200 ultra etc, were decent for awhile
9800?
9800's are old news... Oops, that was the Radeon 9800. Do you think there will be a Nvidia 9800Pro and 9800XT? Couldn't they be a little more original?the other way around
"I'd hate to see the mess if AMD had bought Nvidia."You mean if Nvidia had bought AMD.. AMD is like 1/4th the size of Nvidia so it could still happend ^^
Where?
Where are you looking that you can find a 512mb 3870 for $210?Pathetic
Well this is a foolish article. Not that this place has ever been one to trust on anything, but really where do you come up with this stuff? I spoke to a number of people from various AIB's and as soon as I mentioned I read this from INQ, the conversation ended.Thanks for reporting fresh air :(
Nvidia bashing? Drivers?
nVidia bashing here? Not any stronger than ATI bashing, yet that is good and nVidia bashing is childish? Wow what a group of goofs you guys are...Not to mention that nVidia drivers over the past 12 months have been 90% beta, and problems galore under Vista + DX10. The 64-bit nVidia drivers are a joke. ATI's drivers for Vista are much better and much more stable, with few expections. ATI had a bad driver run 7 years ago, yet nVidia fans can't seem to get over that either.
9600GT
LOL, talk about desperate, and people are commenting here about where is the 9800GX2, come guys they can't get this one right....This reminds me of the Intel Pentium Extreme Edition (AKA Emergency Edition) when Intel try to score performance points against the then dominating AMD processors. The 3870x2 is lower power and faster than the Nvidia products. They can't get their equivalent X2 parts running properly because they gobble up so much power and create so much heat its not plausible.
Time sit back and enjoy Nvidia making fools of themselves, and enjoy watching all the bleating Nvidiots do a Vicky Pollard "yeah whatever" - for all you people out side the UK use google for that one ;-) .
I think that
I think the video card market is stuck in a phase named: Nvidia Won and wait ATI to do better. Why I call this like that? Look, the 8800GTX released one year ago, ATI just made a card that beat it, its nice, but for one year, the only thing NVIDIA did, is waiting on their fat ass for sales, and now that ATI get the X2 thing, they start to do GF9 , but GF9 is a JOKE, a fucking joke. each time they get out with a new GF Distribution, its always a LOT btter, but the Difference Between GF8 and GF9 Sucks. So we're stuck with GF8 thecnology for 1years, and they still just put that technology at its best until Nvidia die... Everything evolve (CPU / Motherboards) but not Video Cards. Thats what I say.The Inquirer is wrong
Tune into NVidias website on 3/18/08 for a BIG suprise.INQ = DAAMIT
I really dont understand the desperate tactics the INQ 'as a whole' in bashing nvidia just to promote ati.are you guys paid by ati?
for the love of truth guys, be honest!
Yes and No
The cold hard truth is that people don’t jest look at power anymore it’s about price efficiency, power consumption, and heat output. ATI is grate in all those fields. NVIDIA has been kind of stuck on there hands they are aiming to do more with what they have than keep ramping up more power-hungry GPU cores. Yes there are ways of making a GPU more powerful NVIDIA has followed that so far. By following Intel's path drop a bigger badder core in it. This is grate and it works look so far but then if you have another card that can almost do the something but is cheaper, doesn’t use that much power, and is cool as a table top your more than likely going to go for the more efficient one. NVIDIA has noticed this been a bit off guard but nothing like Intel did though. No its a efficiency war now and the only way to over come limits now is to use that die space and add more cores before we hit the nm limit since we can really only make them as small as an atom throrticly. NVIDIA has the drivers ATI has the hardware if you haven’t noticed most of the ATI hardware is ten times better than NVIDIA’s but what’s killed them is drivers. If NVIDIA or ATI can find a way to unlock/master multi-GPU on the software side will dominate the next few years in the market.