AMD makes a 45 nm comeback against Intel's Penryn
Analysis Will they come, or will they go?
I HAVE STOPPED guessing when the Phenom 9900 speed grade, the one we reviewed here recently, actually ships to real buyers - especially since it now has to be that new B3 stepping. The one that will be its last 65 nm revision.
What's more interesting is AMD's recent commitment to rush out the 45 nm Leo and Shanghai out really quickly - maybe as quickly as the end of the third quarter this year. Let's not talk about the server parts, still stuck in those HT2 sockets - the inputs from trusted Far Eastern friends about the 45 nm desktop parts say that, if AMD does its job right, we're gonna have a quad-core 6MB cache part running at 3.2 GHz with DDR2-1066 memory a few months before yearend. Hopefully, I'll add.
The added cache plus whatever improvements AMD squeezes into the CPU cores themselves should also give the 45 nm round some 10% extra per-clock performance.
So, let's be optimistic and assume we'll see those 45 nm 3.2 GHz Phenoms, say, this September. What will Intel have then, in the best and in the worst case?
Best case, of course, is Bloomfield Nehalem out - probably at not much more than 3.2 GHz, but a fast 4-core, 8-thread monster with native integrated memory controllers, QuickPath and 3-channel DDR3-1600 memory subsystem. Expect it to be at least as fast as a 4 GHz Yorkfield, and twice that in memory benchmarks.
Talk about Yorkfield, that is the "worst case". Assume that Intel doesn't move at all - they could still use the existing steppings to ship 3.6 GHz / FSB1600 (multiplier 9x) Yorkfields without any problems.
Let's give AMD a headstart then. How would a 3.2 GHz DDR2-1066 45 nm, 6 MB cache Phenom, AMD's best case this September, compare with Intel's 3.6 GHz FSB-1600 Yorkfield, their worst case that same month?
Based on the existing benchmarks, a 2.6 GHz DDR2-800 Phenom 9900 is, on average, 15%-20% behind 2.66 GHz FSB1333 Yorkfield Q9450. Assume that, on aver age, the above mentioned 3.2 GHz 45 nm AMD part would perform some 35% better than the Phenom 9900 - a generous allowance, shurely. Also, give the 3.6 GHz Intel, say, 30% extra over the Q9450.
The result, after a bit of rounding: Intel would still be some 10% - 15% faster, except for the memory benches. And that ignores completely at least two major steppings they'd do in such period of time on the Penryn dies - if the 65 nm history is any guide, we should expect at least a 10% direct frequency jump at the same voltage or even TDP in that process, with corresponding high-MHz yield increases.
If that is taken into account, we're then talking about 4 GHz high end " extreme" Yorkfield parts, and 3.2 - 3.6 GHz mainstream range, easily by September. And, all this completely ignores the Bloomfield, mind you.
In summary, the quick 45 nm delivery by AMD will definitely help them be more competitive in the mainstream - keep in mind the lower power consumption as a big plus. However, unless they can quickly ramp up the speeds towards some 3.5 GHz or so by yearend, I wouldn't call it a full comeback - yes they will "come" , but, performance wise, they will still look Intel in the "back". µ

Comments
Power is what matters not speed
This artical forgets that power useage is what matters. Most people can't tell the the different between 2.0Ghz and 3.2Ghz when openning word or playing cards online but if I could get another 15 minutes out of my battery when triing to finish a report or watching a movie then I would be happyUmmm, Maybe you didn't see that:
Ummm, Maybe you didn't see that:http://hkepc.com/?id=757&fs=c1n
AMD 45nm Quad Core in Q4.
So I really don't what you're talking about with " quick 45 nm delivery ". It's ain't going to happen.
Time to stop dreaming.
Show Me AMD
You even think to believe when AMD can hardly make larger gate sizes work that they are now going to be able to magically leap to 45nm? C'mon, get serious! This is nothin gmore than an attempt to grab ink (cyber or otherwise) to hope to delay procspective buyers from buying Intel now. An there is no way they can match the 45nm performance of Intel, because in this case it's not just size that matters unless they an IBM have teamed up to find a way to match the hafnium aided reduced leakage, right?Stretched a bit?
This article basically took a rumor and stretched it to a scenario where AMD will do everything right in the coming year and Intel will do everything wrong....it's funny.5Ghz
Intel's already gotten some of their processors up to 5ghz on water, so i would be surprised, even if they stay with what they have now, if they got those processors well above 3.6Ghz.Interesting
Nice article and interesting read nice to hear something from the AMD side.Calculatory Response
Call me a spoiler here, but I think you missed one variable in your calculations.Nehalem.
You did say September.
SPARKS
Title
After reading your analysis I think the title of the article should read "AMD makes a desperate 45nm stab at Intel's Penryn".Wouldn't you agree?
Anyhow, the title did get me to click the page.
Hmmmmm
Last time I checked the 45nm process has been perfected, its just that Intel has more fabs on which to push chips out.But aren't it good to see we are back to Ghz willy waving. :(
I'd rather have a chip that runs slower , but does more per clock, at the moment, we seem to be back to the silly old days lets not make it effiecent, lets just bump up the speed!.
re: SPARKS
Yes, the article mentions Bloomfield, what is a high-end server variant of Nehalem you will perhaps see this year. Lesser variants will come only next year.What matters is bang-for-the-buck
It's pretty obvious AMD has lost the initiative at the high end for now, maybe forever, or until Intel makes another Pentium IV-style goof.A quad-core running at 3 Ghz iz enough to run anything.
I don't mind if AMD is 20% behind at the top end, as long as they deliver great value at the price/performance sweet spot.
Even dreaming isn't this good for AMD
This article just described the absolute best possible outcome for AMD this year. But we all know that little of this will really ever happen.There WILL be delays,
There WILL be bugs,
There WILL be disappointments,
but after all this, I hope that
There WILL still be AMD.
I like this article - it ignores facts
In "fact," I see that AMD will magically have increased from 2.3 to 3.2 ghz without changing TDP.And to "power is what matters," 2.0 and 3.2 ghz would matter for quad cores since who buys quad cores to play cards!
Get a freakin dual or tri-core for that.
to jjhodnf e AMD 45 nm delivery
If you look at the author's word's, he clearly states this is an optimistic scenario, which, as you read further, you can see he himself may not believe as the most likely outcome. Simply, it is a projection "what if AMD strikes a jackpot, and Intel stands still" - both equally unlikely, but still a scenario that you have to be aware of coz, even then, Intel still seems to win hands down.You Forget...
AMD started trouncing Intel with the release of the Thunderbird back in 1999, 2000. Right up until the release of Intel's Core 2 Duo, they offered better gaming performance (a big deciding factor for many buyers) & better value for money. Intel's dual-core Pentium D range was a seriously under-performing, heat spewing disaster.I go where the performance vs money ratio is right & currently own a Core 2 Duo. Prior to this I have been an avid AMD supporter.
AMD still offers excellent price-to-performance parts & Intel have yet to match their memory bandwidth.
It would be a fool that writes off AMD right now, as they were the underdogs for many years before they hit the limelight. Intel has surfed the wave of its shrewd marketing for many years, milking the consumer in the process.
I can't wait for AMD to make its resurgence & give Intel another run for its money, thereby increasing the competition in the market & increasing value for the consumer.
AMD doesn't only manufacture processors for the desktop & server markets either. Think before you leap.
If IBM buys AMD, Intel will really have some serious competition on its hands.