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Living with Vista, one year on

Comment The chrome has worn off the turd

IT HAS BEEN a year since Vista was released, and I said I could not in good conscience go there. Since then, Vista has gotten a thorough airing, has been debated more than anything in recent memory, and for the vast majority, the chrome has worn off the turd.

For those betting, it has been a year since the last of the dribbled out Vista releases, and the OS has lived up to it's MeII moniker. A year ago, I had several XP boxes, no Linux boxes in daily use, and had two pre-release Vista boxes.

A year later, I have far fewer XP boxes, this is being typed on my main laptop running Ubuntu 8.04Alpha3, and the two Vista boxes are long gone. I have recieved several machines that had Vista preinstalled, and they never got to the EULA, live CDs, or in rare cases XP discs made sure of that. I have half a dozen Vista licenses sitting around that have never, and will never be registered, but MS proudly counts those as sales victories, and they did get the money for them. It is a pity they make it impossible to get a refund, but that is a monopoly for you.

As of this writing, I have never installed a release version of Vista, and my Linux skills, paltry though they may be, are growing by leaps and bounds. MS has more or less lost me, and it is quickly losing the 1500 or so desktops I control for my 'day job'. With it, they have lost all the lock-ins, upgrades and attendant software, if you can only run Office on Windows, you can not run Office if you don't have Windows.

Why did this happen? Well if you remember, Vista was released in two big chunks and several lesser ones. The two big ones were the 'corporate' release on November 30, 2006, and the 'release' release on January 30, 2007, a year ago today. I lamented the fact that MS was forcing me to use Linux against my will, but Vista was unacceptable to me on far too many grounds.

To be honest, MS did try to engage me after I wrote that, but the sad thing is it was through bribery. I don't use that word lightly, but there is nothing else I can call it. I think I explained my differences of opinion quite clearly in that article, and the response I got from MS was as follows, names removed to protect the sender.

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Hi Charlie,

I'm really sorry to hear of your bad impression of Windows Vista, I would be very interested in having a chat with you to dispell some of your worries, and to provide you with your first contact at Microsoft!

I've got a copy of Windows Vista here for you as well if you want to have a go with the real deal RTM build!

(signature)

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Please note that in the original complaint, I never once asked for a copy of the software, I had several versions here, and my complaints were about activation, DRM and other problems. A copy with all those problems is still as unacceptable as the ones I owned. In the following half dozen emails, my concerns were not placated, if anything they were confirmed.

There were several half-baked workarounds offered, but in the end, I came to a startling conclusion, why did I have to jump through hoop after hoop to use a properly paid for and licensed piece of software? Am I insane, or does my want to control my own software seem as irrational to you as it does to MS?

I told them to get stuffed and that they did not want the software under the unacceptable license terms they were offering me. To this day, over a year later, those impediments are still in place, and if anything, given MS's behavior, are even less palatable.

What are those problems again? The two biggest ones are activation and phoning home, both of which are showstoppers to me, and should be to you. Lets look at these dead horses once more.

Activation is where you need to get MS's approval to run your paid for software. If you buy a full retail price copy of Ultimate at $399, if MS decides for whatever arbitrary reason not to give you the thumbs up, you have a doorstop with no recourse. Really, $399 pissed away.

There are three ways to activate, normal, VLA and SLP, all of which are evil and unavoidable if you want to remain legal. Normal is just that, you click on the activation button, and it whirs away and gives you the thumbs up or down. If it is up, you are done for a bit, if it is down, you are in hell. The last time I had this inflicted on me with XP it took 32 minutes of frustration, and from what I am told but have never encountered is that Vista is only more suffering. I do not relish typing in 25+ digit numbers multiple times before I am given over to someone with a barely comprehensible accent so I can beg for the use of what I legally own.

VLA is like that, but it only applies to volume licensees, something that I do not qualify for. You have a server that acts like a local activation machine, and it phones home every so often so you don't have to have your entire organization submit directly to the MS malware, much less give them direct internet access.

SLP is the last one, it is a pre-activated and BIOS locked version of the above, and does not require initial activation if it sees the correct strings in the BIOS. If you are cheeky enough to change your hardware, you are back to the phone hell inflicted on the mundanes.

In any case, all of the above need to periodically check in to MS, and if you don't want your information sent, Vista will turn itself off for your safety or some other polite sounding way of saying 'submit or pay us again'. None of them are activation free, and all are completely crackable. Reliable sources have told me that the 'Vista Automatic Activator' crack works like a charm, but since I have never installed the OS itself, I have never needed to crack it. On the flip side, I have never needed to activate Ubuntu, or crack it for that matter, and in return, it never turns itself off of it's own volition.

The other problem is of much greater concern to me, there have been over 30 processes identified that report information back to MS without user intervention, knowledge or consent. The fact that these exist, what they report, and what is done with that information is simply not information that MS deems that we need to know, so we are not told. This is also unacceptable.

A year later, my two biggest concerns, that MS can shut me down on a whim, and that they can take any or all of my data without me knowing or being able to stop it are still unacceptable. I can't see how any CxO in good conscience can run this software, much less put anything even remotely considered mission critical on it. Do they just not get the risks, are they abjectly stupid, or were they bought off?

Judging from the absurdly low adoption and, for MS, scary high downgrade numbers, the majority seem to agree with me. People understand what MS is trying to force on them, and they are refusing to play ball. Look at Mac marketshare on the desktop and Linux on the server, and you will see the masses are moving faster than anyone could have imagined a year ago.

So here I sit, typing on a Ubuntu Linux box, Vista nowhere on my network. My girlfriend sits beside me browsing on a Mac. Of the 2 dozen boxes here, over half are not Windows now, and none of the remaining are Vista. Ironically, a year ago, computing was a dull fight with malware, upgrades and patches that I really did not want to bother with. Now things are fun again, re-learning what control means, and being able to do all those things that I used to do in the bad old days is truly liberating. Ironically, I have MS to thank for making computing fun again, but not for the reasons they wanted, and in that time, my PC has never once said no to my wishes.

If MS wants to win me back, there are two things that they must do, but I know they never will. First, they must totally remove activation, no lessening of the thumbscrews, no half baked baby steps, it must go completely. There is no compromise here, all or nothing.

The second is that I must have complete notification and control every time ANY data is collected and sent to MS. I must be, at my choosing, informed of what is collected, where it is being sent, and what will be done with that data. I must also be allowed to say no to the sending of that data, and I will live with whatever negative consequences that entails should I chose to say no. There is no compromise here either, when others do the same, it is called malware, when MS does it, people bend over and smile.

So, 12 months to the day after release, Vista is still a chrome plated turd, but due to direct abuses of the customer, much of that chrome has worn off. Activation servers that could never go down did for days.

Inviolate promises of user control over patching was shown to be far less important than MS needs to control your box, and hosts of other egregious violations show how much MS really cares about the people giving them money.

Until MS does a complete 180 on the anti-user aspects of Vista, it remains unsuitable for use to any rational person. In the three years (optimistically) between it's release and Windows 7, Ubuntu will have gone through 6 major revisions, and it does not actively threaten the user like Vista.

In the end, I guess I do have a very favorable impression of Vista, it forced me on to Linux again. Now things are cheaper, more secure, less annoying, and my computer never says no to me. The fun I am having and the knowledge I am gaining makes the initial pain of Vista well worth it. MS, call me when you change radically, but forgive me if I don't hold my breath until then, I am having too much fun to do so. µ

Comments

Poor students seeks vista licence

"...I have half a dozen Vista licenses sitting around that have never, and will never be registered..."

If you want to rid yourself of some of those troublesome licences I would be more than willing to take them off your hands :)
posted by : James, 30 January 2008

Agree

I also believe that the number of Vista licenses sold doesn't reflect the number of machines that actually use Vista.

Our company buys a lot of new PCs (Dell, to be honest), and they come with Vista preinstalled. What we do? We uninstall Vista and install good old XP (we have a Volume license agreement).

I believe this is not only the case with us, and some other companies are doing the same.

I also have Vista at home on my Tablet PC, but it's going to be replaced with XP, too. It just takes far too much space on hard drive (16GB SSD drive).

George
posted by : George, 30 January 2008

Good grief..

Man does not install retail Vista and yet has such insight into it?

Think you did yourself in there matey.

posted by : Tim, 30 January 2008

Ok, you convinced me, but you missed!!

I still run vista on two box's, and on my gaming rig it runs fine, on my other halfs raid media box, it runs like an unpolished turd, even with 4gb ram, 4 ncq 5oogb hard drives, and a q6600 processor.

I hate the licensing on vista, and how often you have to re-activate the bloody thing!

Whats more the default setup is insane!
It scnas for anti spyware, it defrags your hard drive, it index's your complete hard drive, it runs superfetch, all this entirely too often, and if these are running as low end processes, why the hell do i have to wait for so long, so often to do anything on this box?

FOrget the memory bloat of vista, what about the 10x installation footprint required to even use the thing!

what about the auto restore "snapshots" t keeps taking, all these tasks killing even the best of machines!

How about the fact you cannot right click a shortcut, or an icon if it doesn't link to a program file properly, if you do it takes a minute, and if you do this three times, you can then finally get to the property box.

What about gaming? well besides the extra 1gb of ram you need to do the same things you did on vista, games install to a different directory on vista, so many of those game mods do not even work!!!

And the worst one! i want to play a game, click confirm, i want to open a document click confirm, i want to shoot myself as its so unbelievably frustrating click confirm!!!

I hate being told regualrly by microsoft how good it is, and how much i am benefiting by using genuine microsoft software, that i cannot transfer to another machine, get spied on, have data collected on me and ultimatly used for their purposes and sold on to other companies.

I will be learning linux, and getting that media machine over to it.

I have also noticed so many programs we took for granted in xp will not run in vista, and the real reason is that the developers of these home brew apps need to subscribe to microsoft with a decent sum of money to get approval for their program to run, so things like super video converter, and initially riva tuner were all borked.

Just please avoid it, and keep up the resistance. I will be changing even my gaming box back to xp eventually.
posted by : Craig, 30 January 2008

Just don't use Ubuntu

I have been trying Vista since Alpha build 4500. At that time Vista was suck (you know alpha version). With RTM, I still come back to XP. But Vista has mature. With the latest SP1, Vista will be Good. In My Latitude D630 Vista is faster than XP. Ubuntu 7.10 is hang can't boot. What a shame Ubuntu :)). Mandriva is better than Ubuntu.
Basically Vista is mature now. But If you like linux, thy avoid Ubuntu.
posted by : Hok, 30 January 2008

Amen to that.

Amen.

I refuse to upgrade to Vista for the exact reasons you have outlined.

I love my XP, it is much less evil... hopefully it wont get more evil with SP3.

But with the need to move forward pressing down on me day to day i will be looking towards linux or OS X.

The activation scheme is especially pants. as a hardware developer and tester my system goes through changes that would be flagged for re-activation several times a month. Then after a handful of reactivations they would force me to call them and explain that yes, it really was my name on the credit card that pays your wage.... I SWEAR.

Also, as a person who understands the need to protect your property, because plenty of people would just steal it, if it were easy.... Microsoft is really playing it wrong here... alienating your paying customers is not the way to go about it. I dont want to ever have to worry about being rejected for activation after I have paid their price... and I dont want to have to ever call them up and "explain" myself to them. I want to be legal, but many people will resort to stealing with odds like the ones MS is imposing on its customers.
posted by : Sir Brent, 30 January 2008

With respect, you haven't got a clue...

Until you've actually installed it, and tried it, shut up. I complained about it for nigh on six months to Microsoft, and then they let me on the beta programme as I reasoned that only an arse complains but doesn't help resolve problems. Sound familiar?

The average user doesn't give a crap about the activation. They care about hardware requirements, driver and app compatibility and changes in working practices.

SP1 beta is actually looking quite good. The aero interface appears to be faster than XP - definitely so on multiple monitors. Networking is solid, and fast. The Ultimate Unix subsystem and NFS client work well.

Yes, it has some rough edges and some of the drivers are crap (blame third parties for that). It's not revolutionary, but the interface /is/ a bit more logical.

Complain about activation, but don't pretend it's a Vista problem - it's not - it's a *windows* issue. Also note you are out of date : SP1 will *NOT* reduce the functionality on pirate copies of Vista - the user will be nagged instead.

Lest you think I'm an MS fanboy - think again. I'm running Vista, XP, NT4, OS/2, OpenBSD, Irix, NetBSD and Debian...
posted by : Peter Kay, 30 January 2008

Linux/Vista/MacOS

Charlie, Personally I'm Crazy enough to run Vista and I like it, I do agree with you on completely on 1 of your points, I want complete control over the data that is sent to MS (although as long as they keep it secure and don't send it through the post I'm less worried).

The activation process is very easy, completely automated you answer a few questions and it Activates, out of the 1000's of PC's i've reinstalled/upgraded not once have I had MS tell me to buy a new copy of Windows.

The problem with Linux is what you took a plus from

"In the three years (optimistically) between it's release and Windows 7, Ubuntu will have gone through 6 major revisions, and it does not actively threaten the user like Vista."

6 Revisions in 3 years is far to many (probably by at least 4) people like stability and unless the make a very easy e.g. a windows update way of updating from one version to another Linux whatever flavour will not take any real market share.

For Jobs Mob to take any Market Share they need to release a version of Mac OS that doesn't require expensive underpowered Apple supplied hardware, or hacking to make it work on a custom build box. Untill you can buy a value(read cheap) HP/DELL for around £300-400 (with screen) with OS X on it Apple will never ever take more than 10% of the market
posted by : andrew, 30 January 2008

Bribery ???

Hmm, if I get this right, you claim Microsoft tried to bribe you when they offered you a free copy of Vista to try and evaluate?

What about DAAMIT and NV, do they also bribe the Inq and other Magazines when they send them samples of graphic cards that are practically nowhere available outside of the US?

What about game developers sending game magazines free copies of their newest games for testing? Bribery?

I think you are exaggerating a little...
posted by : Saruman, 30 January 2008

"And the Lord sayeth..."

And Charlie's back with another long preach of how bad, how horrible, how crappy, how utterly useless Windows Vista is. I can almost see it, a big tent with a few dozen dimwits looking for the truth only to be fed some fermented tripe full of invectives and personal bias. My guess is that news is hard to come by these days which explains TheInq's willingness to allow Charlie "leenucks" Demerjian go on another ripe rant.

It's become a joke these days: "hey, if you wanna see the silliest hate towards Vista, go check out Charlie's funny 'articles' at the Inq, there's someone that proves there are tabloid-writers in the IT-industry!". It's not the subject that matters here, I couldn't care less about Vista really, it's the repetitive and non-newsworthy ranting where Charlie gets to whine and whine and whine in his jolly underpants that really puts a crap-smear on TheInq.
posted by : Moogie, 30 January 2008

amazing

This is truly a very, very good and well-written article. I am thrilled that I am not the only one that feels very frustrated about the monopoly that M$ has across the globe.

I feel hand-cuffed to a single choice of OS and softwaremanufactor, if I want to play new games on my computer and so on.

Above all it's faults, Vista is a lovely OS; absolutely fantastic eyecandy, amazing features and very easy to use, even for the newbie-user. Though, the downsides of the OS is, as you point out in a just lovely manner, overwhelming. The speed, the lack of privacy, the no-saying over and over again. Simply not something one can bear over with at all.

I intend using XP Pro as long as I can. Lightfooted jumping over Vista and BEG that M$ will realize a few things before Windows 7 is released.

Thank you very much for a wonderful news-/entertainment-site. It is a joy every day.

- Simon
posted by : Simon, 30 January 2008

Vista

I have been using vista for almost a year now. Obviously, I am totally against Microsoft collecting data from my system. I was not aware of this until now. I have not had a problem with activation, ever, it was just a click and 'thumbs up' for me.

I love Vista, it is very user-friendly, has some cool gadgets and tricks and is a slick-looking operating system. I purchased it for this reason only. You have very valid reasons to reject Vista, and I may have done the same in your situation, but, it has been easier for me, because I am a home user.

Would it be possible for you to send me two copies of Vista, seeing that you have some, that you will never use, so that I can install it on my sisters' computer, as they have been longing for it for some time. Please get back to me.

Thankyou very much for your insight.
posted by : Billy Boy, 30 January 2008

Stop complaining

The point of your article is a pointless rant. Yes these issues are frustrating and annoying but how about suggesting some solutions to the problems instead of just complaining about them.

Anyone can do that! Any company that works on a product and spends time and money on it wants to see a return. Hence findingsimilar methods in a wide range of other software packages.

Ubuntu / Linux has a long way to go in developement terms untill I see it as a OS that could take over the mainstream. Yes you can give it to people to use but ask them to start maintaining it or get some thing which isn't offered in its software repository and they are screwed.

They just about manage with windows installers half the time.
posted by : Richard Alpagot, 30 January 2008

Well Said

To be honest I had not realised that Fista (as I call it) has been around for a whole year, after much enthusiasm pre-release and much frustration after first use I have and never will use Fista.

The only reason why I would ever use that horrible product is if a must-have game comes out that must use Fista, other than that I will use XP or Linux.

BTW I call Vista, Fista because once you try it you feel like you have been Fisted.


Andy
posted by : Andy, 30 January 2008

2 Elephents

In the linux world there are 2 elephants in the room.

Gaming and drivers. These 2 things stop little jonny getting excited when he goes shopping and gets a new toy to play with on his PC. Until a distro can support a direct X layer or a GREAT api layer like direct X with easy coding IDE s. Also I know most linux users hate wizards but its what windows (and OSX) does well and being able to install a driver is very easy nowadays. We just need to get manufactures to start to support Linux. But all of this a chicken and a egg.

If only Valve / Blizzard would make a native linux versions of there games.
posted by : Phil, 30 January 2008

If it works for you

Years ago I messed around with Red Hat and Mandrake, just recently I tried to install the lastest release from Ubnutu. And every single one of them had hardware driver issues. I assume that I could get it to work if I tried hard enough. But XP has never had this problem, nor my 64 bit version of Vista, Runs great out of the box. Plus my rig is a gaming rig and so far linux or mac doesn't cut the mustard. I suppose that the downloading of things to microsoft that you mention could be to help MS to get better. But each to his or her own. Still if you want to game, MS is your only choice, for good or bad. As far as activation, no problem for me. When I build a new rig and install a previous used copy of XP I have had to call MS, and yes it's a pain in the you know what, But I know a bunch of software thieves, which drive the price up for those of us who are legal. So activation doesn't bother me. Everything you complain about has been brought on by software thieves, so lay the blame where it clearly lies. MS is tring to make money, just like the place you work at.

posted by : peter, 30 January 2008

Never Have Never Will

I have never even hard that inkling to even upgrade to VISTA from XP Pro I am interested in PC building. And keep an eye out for news on tech from likes of AMD and Nvidia etc with researching VISTA and how it uses loads of memory puts me off for 1 thing.

It's the fact that 2GB will barely get you the peak point 4GB your spanky wood for the peak point. Also how I've heard from a guy in MCPT class at college that it uses 700mb right after boot-up. That 10% performance hit in games for DX9 or 10 if I am not mistaken problems with hardware drivers.

Even my lecturer who works for Cisco/Microsoft even states stay away from the dam thing as well as Office 2007. So no I won't possibly be sending my cash over a counter and expecting VISTA to be passed over, Infact I've just ordered another 3 copies of XP Pro SP2 for my next future builds.
posted by : Dave C, 30 January 2008

Obsessions

Charlie has a couple of obsessions I agree with:

Gaming laptops are for tossers

Vista is for tossers

posted by : Reynod, 30 January 2008

Amen

I've just a week ago switched my laptop over to Ubuntu and i'm delighted with it, I haven't looked back and I don't imagine I will.
As you say, if Microsoft don't stand down on DRM they will not only lose the remaining enthusiasts that they haven't already lost to Linux or OSx but risk losing much more.
Still, in the corporate environment MS still have office, and in the home market they still have DX games. Until those two obstacles are overcome I cannot dispense with MS entirely.
posted by : Lee, 30 January 2008

We get It

Ok we get it you don't like Microsoft or vista or anything related to them so let it go, you are sounding like a broken record. Did you ever think that there ARE some out there that like even love to use Vista. Like I for one have a Q1 with vista on it with a 1GHz cpu 1gb ram and Intel 915 and guess what it runs nicely, even plays wow and UT04. I've been using since it released on my main gaming rig and it has done fine job with what ever platform I had in it. and I have not felt the need at anytime to go running back to xp or cross over to open sauce.
posted by : Silver, 30 January 2008

Great Article

Yep that pretty much sums up my experience with Vista... but I must say I do have my laptop (which came with vista) dual booted so I can play some games like Tabula Rasa since the developers decided to use some stupid .NET launcher BS tool.

I play CSS and TF2 under linux since it reduces the amount of reboots but everything and I mean everything else I do under linux. Video, (a)msn, music, graphics, documents, spreadsheets, surfing, heck even gaming.

I just wish game developers didn't have their heads up where the sun don't shine and at least make their games WINE friendly so that I don't have to waist a partition on a stupid windows version. You know the most ironic thing is that since I went OpenSource I choose to be legit hence the only reason why I use Vista since I have no legit version of XP cause I'd use that in a heart beat.

If ya like to learn some more linux skillz which it might not take much skills to click a button, check out PlayOnLinux... great tool, heck I even got IE to go to windows update and install some security fixes for me ;)

Cheers
posted by : Dan Bastianello, 30 January 2008

Your are Right!

You are spot on Charlie! I'm happy to see that you are using the platform to create awareness.

Unfortunately MS does not make software its customers want, no they make what benefits their shareholders!! The employees do not protest either, hey they are shareholders as well ! Don't they have any pride??
Because of their monopoly (based on lock in mechanisms and dirty tactics) they are able to get away with most of the time.
Fortunately the tide is turning bit by bit.

Nothing wrong with some profit, but if you already have an monopoly, have no creative ideas left but still are expected to have higher ROI quarter after quarter one can see what comes out: an overpriced intrusive piece of bloated software with lock in DRM and DX10 game api called Vista.
Give me:
- No DRM (read this: scary stuff: "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection" : http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#reliability
- No Activation
- No phone home (at least give insight in what is sent over and give me control over what I allow to be sent.)
- More control over defragmentation and indexing
- One version of the sofware (Ultimate).
- A FAIR price like EUR 100 for 32&64 bit ultimate version + EUR 25 for each additional PC installed.
- A userFRIENDLY UAC system.

Unfortunately, since I play games I feel forced to use at least XP..

Keep up the good work.
posted by : Matt, 30 January 2008

Peter Kay you are an idiot

You are obviously a knob-jockey with an agenda, if you had have actually read the "comment" you would have realised that Charlie had used Fista in anger over a prolonged period, he has my sympathy.

Andy
posted by : Andy, 30 January 2008

Vista Activation

Get your facts straight, there are two methods for Volume Activation, KMS; Key Management Services and MAK; Multiple Activation Key. I believe the one you were referring to is KMS and not whatever abbreviation you decided to make up. Moving on to qualification criteria for Volume Licensing, an Open agreement can be taken out by anyone who is buying more than 5 licences... In addition to this it seems you havent even taken the time to use Vista, granted it has some flaws and the activation issues are not great, but remember Microsoft is only trying to stamp down on PIRACY and the sooner this is stopped the sooner the average joe will stop having to pay for users who do not buy legit software...
posted by : Jaz, 30 January 2008

Why...

Why do you continue to employ this idiot? They aren't even well written rants, and you can forget about sensible well considered content. A more accurate article title would be "Talking crap about things I know nothing about."
posted by : Graeme, 30 January 2008

I agree too...

It's funny. I live in the other side of the world and somehow, have exactly the same opinion.

The truth is the truth no matter where it comes from. Vista SUCKS on every way and our enterprice is getting some eye on Ubuntu for the future, in fact, they already replaced several Office licences with OpenOffice. Of course, Vista comes preinstalled on the new PCs but they never see the light because are being replaced by XP at once. In my face you can see a big smile because MS is counting that as a sale for Vista :-D...


posted by : Macufendo, 30 January 2008

Rant, indeed

People have been leaving all sorts of comments on how poorly vista has been doing, and I agree with them.

I tried Vista Business Edition, thinking it would be more or less like XP Pro was. Boy, was I wrong! After no more than 4 days of Vista's shenanigans, I uninstalled, put XP back on, and contemplated getting an Intel Mac. An iMac, to be precise, and once you go Mac, you never go back.

I still have a machine that run Windows XP, and I find that I'm using it less and less as I get accustomed to the niceties of Mac OS X. I was lucky enough to get one on eBay that still runs Tiger, and works great!

In any case, if Microsoft is really losing you, show them buy buying a Mac! You'll be glad you did!
posted by : spencer, 30 January 2008

Vista bad

Did I miss the part about Vista being a resource HOG? What about the user interface changing. Yeah I know there is classic view, but it still leaves you a little lost at times. So, anyone feel like ripping on Office 2007? How about that interface change? The only reason I did not downgrade/ upgrade (hower ever you want to look at) is because I can't spend all day looking for features that I can easily find Office 2002 and 2003. You should hear the whining in our office everytime we us Office. The only thing that saved us from going completly nuts is that you can still hit F1 and get help to find that feature that used to be so easy to find.
posted by : Joe, 30 January 2008

I must agree


M dad asked me to put Vista on the new computer I built him (a nice 2.66Ghz Intel QC, I got one cheap). I've had a number of driver issues, activation issues, Vista refuses to blieve the DVD-RW drive has write capability, etc. It's pretty, and the interface isn't bad, but it's all changed from XP and often in noninuitive ways. And when it breaks, if I'm lucky I can find another piece of software I have to buy to make it work. Otherwise I'm hosed.

That's why my home PC is Ubuntu. It's not like I never had strange issues, but there's a lot of free support out there to help me resolve or work around them. And if I'm not too lazy, I can actually debug the issue. In the end, I really like the idea that I own my computer. What it does, I control. And when it breaks (usually because of my old ATI graphics card), I'm much more likely to be able to resolve it.
posted by : Sean Ryan, 30 January 2008

Why buy computers with Vista?

There's only one thing I don't understand. . .

If you hate Vista so much, why do you continue buying computers that have it installed? Just do as I do--buy either bare-bones machines or buy components and build your own machines. Then, install the Linux distro of your choice. That way, you won't have to give money to MS for what you consider a faulty product.
posted by : Donnie, 30 January 2008

Same Storey

Bought Vista 64bit version three weeks ago. Have now witnessed more BSOD's than over the last 5 years. Gave up.
Vista now sits in it's DVD case, destined to never work again.
It's really the best advert for converting the Linux I've ever seen.

I've noticed Vista retailers are only printing user reviews that claim perfect performance, if you submit a negative review on Overclockers UK (for example), it will NOT be printed.

All in all, Vista is a complete waste of time and money.
posted by : Magilla, 30 January 2008

LOL subjective opinon!

Isn't it amazing that all the negativity is coming from those who "have never used Vista and never will?"

What a shower of cocks. Try using it before complaining. At least you'll have a valid reason for hating it then.
posted by : Mark, 30 January 2008

Activtion

I've been using vista scince about september last year, and that's purely because I do alot of RAM hungry programs so I chose a x64 OS to benefit from the RAM, but every now and then vista decides to say that my copy of windows is not activated and that i have 30 days to reactivate it. A day later/reboot and magically its activated, and this just happens randomly. Happens on another vista 64 pc i run too....

If only microsoft would realise that people are becoming more computer literate thesedays and actually understand the pure shit that they stuff into the bloated OS's. My laptop now is a macbook and i'm totally loving the complete freedom i have to do what i like :)

Microsoft should be more trusting like apple :)
posted by : guiclaw, 30 January 2008

Maybe...

I have been using Vista since RC1 (on the testing "team")

currently I am using 64bit Ultimate and LOVE it, yes I said LOVE.

I do agree that vista is a resource hog, and that if you dont have a "high-end" machine then it will run like me to the restroom after the taco stand in front of work. P00

I have never spent more than 15min on the phone for activation. and I have to reactivate every 3-4 months beacuse of hardware change and or I just want to.

I agree about the lack of controlling info that gets sent back.

#1 for ALL VISTA USERS!!! turn off UAC! trust me it will make you like vista more.

/rant

I also run Fedora 8 on my laptop
my wife dual boots XP and Ubuntu
and I run Ubuntu through Virtual PC

posted by : Syclone, 30 January 2008

Win you over

Your entire article was on the activation, nothing about how Vista works, etc. How do you even title your article "living with Vista" when you state yourself that you've never even installed a release version of it? Next time just link to an old article of yours on the same topic; they never change or provide new insights.

You're exactly the type that Microsoft doesn't care about winning over. I'm sure they haven't batted a tear.
posted by : BB, 30 January 2008

Your Tackle is Your ACTIVATION Number.

CHARLIE HAS GIRLFRIEND.


s:Physician vondrashek


P.S. Ultimate is COPPER COATED.
posted by : ULTIE_CHARLIE, 30 January 2008

start a petition

Charlie start a petition, and link it from the INQ, then all the visitors will sign that they would by vista if it had a less activation, less drm, ect, get all the visitors to sign it, then the word will get around the WW wibble, get more signatures.

I mean obviously vole doesnt see this as a big issue, but it is, I thin we need to show them the numbers. then they can translate that into Dollar signs.
posted by : stewart, 30 January 2008

Wonder how the ol' NSA is handling Vista

Now you know the Security types at the government agencies around the world are somewhat required to run every operating system there is, and that they probably have Vista running in their "secure side" networks. Now you know damn well they wouldn't allow Vista to send data back to Redmond. So I wonder how they got around all this.
This isn't a conspiracy theory thing, those departments exist, and they do come up with real answers. So why can't we get the same kind of service that the governments get be on our desktops??
posted by : Rob, 30 January 2008

Misleading Information

First, I'd like what I write to be posted here. I'm getting awefully sick of not being able to respond with factual information.

1. If you are building a new PC, Vista Ultimate costs $189. If you want a retail version and own XP or 2000, it sells for $249. If you have never owned a copy of Windows and live in a cave then it sells EVERYWHERE for around $319.

2. If you istall a new motherboard, a new CPU or a video card it's not an problem. Microsoft doesn't expect you to buy a new license or pay any money everytime you upgrade components. I've done this over and over without any real hassle whatsoever.

I've installed the same copy Vista multiple times without having one small problem since last march/april 2007 when I had to call Microsoft and behave like a polite human being. God forbid (but I payed, grrrr, me angry, Charlie mad, Charlie love linux now....). I've switched motherboards multiple times since and reinstalled without a single issue. I just reistalled vista home premium on my girlfriends computer after updating her cpu, motherboard and ram.

November, 2006 - "You may uninstall the software and install it on another device for your use. You may not do so to share this license between devices."

I still use XP on my work machine because I run Digidesign Pro Tools and even though Digi has Vista compliance in 7.4, I play it safe for a long period time. Most businesses do this when that's their bread and butter. However, businesses will move to Vista eventually. XP will eventually go the way of NT, 98 and 95. I really belive the flaws in Vista have been overstated. Sometimes the problems are even imaginary and invented. Sometimes they've been fixed and the company left uncredited.
posted by : Dan Asti, 30 January 2008

a better Ubuntu

I`m glad to hear you are using Linux, I foresaw this great exodus years ago (I`m a full time OSX and Linux admin) If at all curious please try linux Mint, It`s basically a prettier Ubuntu (same repositories) with many pre-installed necessities (flash for one)

Remember

Friends don`t let friends use windows.
posted by : Dan, 30 January 2008

Another one for you...


For those who somehow imagine this guy is alone in his criticisms (!) here are a couple of easily found equivalents:

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205101355

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/349265_msftvista30.html

What you spend on Mac hardware you gain in getting your life back by not fiddling and fighting with ridiculous Windows PC's.
posted by : Jon T, 30 January 2008

and the fastest VISTA laptop is...

MacBook Pro. Vista has been named C|Net's "Most terrible product " of the last 21 years and one of the PC mags called it the biggest flop of 2007. It SUCKS!! and you M$ defenders have "Stockholm Syndrome"
Also Andrew made this comment "For Jobs Mob to take any Market Share they need to release a version of Mac OS that doesn't require expensive underpowered Apple supplied hardware, or hacking to make it work on a custom build box. Untill you can buy a value(read cheap) HP/DELL for around £300-400 (with screen) with OS X on it Apple will never ever take more than 10% of the market
posted by : andrew, 30 January 2008"

See above/subject line and price out a Dell and MacPro with comparable specs. The Dell is hugely more expensive. Plus, include all your virus software, updates, headaches, lost productivity, etc. I run an audio/video studio and we're rock solid, on the internet 24/7, and get the job DONE! That's all that matters and it's beautiful! Mac market share is hugely on the rise and there are so many people with PC's either switching to Macs or going back to XP. Yeah Vista is just wonderful.. NOT!
posted by : Ian, 30 January 2008

agree

I've been using windows for a long time and vista for over a year including beta. I am very disappointed as a new os I expected something which would separate it it from xp which I had been using for years & was happy with it. Vista if you stripped down the hype & fanboy posts is just bloated and just feels sluggish and cumbersome to use. I have quite a good setup too but vista just seems slower, requires faster, bigger etc hardware to do exactly what xp did and does.

Now forgive me I'm no microsoft basher but surely the point of anew os is to improve on it's previous incarnation; by that I mean performance, security, asthetics, stability and ease of use. Microsoft vista seems to be lacking in all these areas and I've given the no go to upgrade any off the desktops in our offices to vista as there is no benefit gained leaving xp.

I am hoping windows 7 is a vast improvement and has everything vista is lacking and makes efficient use of system resources. I'm pleases people are looking to alternative OS's as this can only make the market more interteresting & force people developing these OS to bring new features and tech to the playing field.
posted by : buffallo, 30 January 2008

interesting.

I agree with you for the most part. I use both PCs at work and a Mac on the road.

While I would like to know what Apple is sending back to itself when ever it does that (and I am sure they do) I trust Apple enough to allow them to. But Microsoft has always left a bitter taste in my mouth and I would not trust them as far as I can throw them (considering they have several buildings and thousands of people, that aint far. :-) )
posted by : elder norm, 30 January 2008

Live a Little.

Get a Mac.
posted by : rON, 30 January 2008

Vista is MS's last stand...

It is amazing how often I hear first hand stories like this but add in all the performance abuse and instability that is the rule with Vista.

My only personal experience with Vista is clients requesting it be scraped off their new computers and replaced, more often with XP but sometimes with Ubuntu Linux.

I can honestly see the end of Microsoft dominance in world use as Vista creeps into the tech-ecosystem.

CD Baric
posted by : CD Baric, 30 January 2008

Yep

I installed Vista for 2 weeks last February. That was as long as I could stand it. Slow and bulky, kinda like my ex-wife. And like her, Vista had to go. Of course, I hate XP and Win2k3's crayola interface too, so I'm sticking with Win2k until my hardware dies. Win2k has so far proved to be the best version MS has put out. MS moved around too much stuff in XP for my taste. I love Linux on my servers, but never cared for X as a gui.

And BTW - if you want to run a Vista "key license server" for volume license activation, you have to have 25 Vista clients existing on your network. That's stupid - how is a network admin (ie - me) supposed to "test" the key license server (and Vista) in any reasonable way when I have to have 25 clients to even start the stupid thing? Who has 25 "extra" PCs sitting around that are strong enough to run this turd to test with? I guess MS just expects us to drop Vista in and start migrating all of our users to that pig OS. Yeah, fat chance MS. We're sticking to Win2k and XP until we see what Win7 looks like. (My guess is Win7 will look like Vista, but with more lipstick.)
posted by : Dave, 30 January 2008

I have used Vista since 30/11 2006

Hi,

I work as a professional developer and got Vista through MSDN. Upgraded my laptop and desktop to Vista 64 Ultimate. Of course I've had some driver issues(mostly nvidia issues on the laptop) - but no more than I had going from Win 2K to XP. Today, I'm happy with my pooters - 4gb's of RAM - running Vista 64 as OS and 2-3 VPC for developing running at the same time. Of course there are things that I would like to change in Vista - but Linux is not an alternative. Linux is inmature, non-intuitive and generally just bad, IMHO!

// Lazze
posted by : Lars Siden, 30 January 2008

Preach the good Gospel Brother!

The exact same reasons I refuse to install Vista, and I have a high-end system that could make good use of it.
posted by : Steve, 30 January 2008

Sucked... but it Got Better

One year ago I loaded 64 bit Vista on a PC I had built in December 2006 and the first six months were pure torture. Driver issues, program compatibility issues, and stability issues.

Then something happened around June or July and using this PC has smoothed out. I can find drivers, programs are Vista compatible, and I have yet to a game title that will not run. Heck I've even loaded up some classics with no issues.

My business laptop still runs XP so at no time was I endangering my career, but the Vista PC has come a long way. There are still areas needing improvement but it's starting to feel like the technology press should give it another look before railing about it.

However M$ still deserves all the shame for pushing Vista out before it was ready. It would have been better to be late(r) than to put up with all this noise.

And to all of you who will eventually use Vista (whether you want to or not), keep an open mind.
posted by : Johnny D, 30 January 2008

M$ vs ##

Well every body here are some sort of geeks, so I advice you is to try windows server 2008 with all eye candy that Vista do but with much more control over it.
Some of you are system builders and no one touch subject of active directory (vs ?ldap?) or nice remote access to cooperative network with no shell. I'm not against Linux but I much more like check box then "--something" and not to mention Linux extraterrestiral manual (every think is on the web but, but, but I like to figure out things alone and not like to read poor or no commented code). What's the point of open source if I'm not a nerd to read megs of uncommented classes, functions or pointers. Subject is more and more deprecated but always is good to know there is alternative.
posted by : braindozer, 30 January 2008

vista

once again you show your trully amazing colours, you are without a doubt a complete plank, how on earth you can spout such hatred against an OS that you openly admit you have NEVER tried from install i do not know. Seriously are you all there in the head? Yes its not as responsive as XP but that OS is several YEARS old running on hardware thats several times faster than it was designed for! Vista is only a few MONTHS old man!

yes by all eans be critical, but shut the hell up if you dont have first hand experiece or an objectional view on it.
posted by : DT, 30 January 2008

and...

ive used vista ultimate for about 4 months now and have neva had any troubles.
with all latest drivers loaded, i can run all vista extras, play never winter nights 2, have music playing, and download stuff of the internet and it doesnt slow down.
lately tho have played round with vista. i have discovered that vista does not like being run on a lone hard drive as i did this and it ran slower than xp. it runs perfectly on a raid 0 or 1 setup.
people who dont like it should just think bak to when xp came out and all the problems it had.
i wont go back to xp as vista is great and i know will get better


stop ya whining vista bashers
posted by : beaver, 30 January 2008

Living with Vista? I think not

How is it that you can possibly use this title? It's one year since the release of Vista and in your third paragraph you state that "A year later...and the two Vista boxes are long gone". If you're going to give an opinion of a product then use the product for the time you are stating. I used the beta of Vista for about a day because it sucked and I knew then that Vista would have problems, but did I switch to Linux like every other whiny dip. No! I'm sorry, but Linux isn't anywhere close to being ready for the masses. As another commenter mentioned, there are too many revisions with no upgrade path and for me personally, no way to install/uninstall software in a way that doesn't require compiling it from a command prompt first.

I have used Vista for 4 months to see if I like it enough to stay with it. Once I turned off the UAC and the security alert, everything was great. Lately however, it has been crashing a lot more frequently and I'll likely go back to XP which is a hell of an OS. I had run my XP machine for something like 4 years straight and it was solid.

I'm not going to say anything about Macs, because there's nothing I can say about them. They are solid machines with a solid OS, but it's a matter of personal preference. I am a gamer and love first-person shooters so I could never own a Mac. If I ever decided to get into video or music editing/recording, then a Mac would be the best and only choice for me. Linux has NOTHING that interests me as it can do neither gaming nor video/music editing like the aforementioned OS's. Linux would be a good OS to put on the kids computer. It can't get viruses or spyware and it's got the goods for homework (OpenOffice) and surfing the net.

It has been nearly a year since I've used Linux so that makes me just as qualified to write my view of Linux as you do to write your article about Vista.

Cheers!
posted by : Jim F, 30 January 2008

Living with Vista, one year on

Charlie says:

"I have never installed a release version of Vista"

"MS did try to engage me after I wrote that, but the sad thing is it was through bribery." -- via a free eval copy of Vista -- are you serious ??

Charlie, without some actual hands-on & open-minded experience to back them up, your vitriolic opinion pieces make you a worthless hack. The same applies to your mindless rants against Apple and everything else you dislike but are too lazy to actually investigate in depth.

FWIW - As an IT manager, I have to deal with the issues in my job and have some experience working with the product.

Versions: Vista-Business is the equiv of XP-Pro, and that’s where comparisons should be made. Vista-Ultimate is aimed at a different market... and includes Media junk that business users simply don’t need or want. The home versions are not something that most business or IT managers will ever need concern themselves with.

DRM: Peter Gutmann is simply wrong, and has been discredited a number of times, but lives on in the hearts & minds of all anti-MS zealots. DRM is activated by DRM-enabled content... otherwise it does nothing. It's not the reason for any "sluggishness" of Vista and it’s not the cause of any instability.

Stability: In my experience, Vista is more stable than XP, but like all versions of NT, it supports Kernel-Mode device drivers. Crap drivers are the primary cause of instability. Vista uses the Win-2003 kernel as its development base... and 2003 is totally stable as a server, primarily because it doesn’t have a myriad of half-baked device drivers being used. MS and ISV/VAR’s need to get their act together to clean up the crap drivers kernel-mode people sell, and encourage devs to move to User-Mode drivers where possible.

Memory Use: Vista uses slightly more memory, but most significantly uses it in a different manner. Vista will make use of available memory for cache, if it’s there and not being used. Hence at start-up Vista will appear to use more. But as apps stat and request memory, Vista will hand it back. You can watch a 1GB Vista machine use up all the ram, and then hand it back as you start up apps.

Sluggishness: There is a bunch of junk that Vista starts up at boot, and most of it can be safely removed via the start-up manager. Trim back the junk (bloat is a fair enough term for it) and Vista will actually boot faster than XP. In my experience, with the bloat removed, Vista runs FASTER than XP. There is a utility I’ve seen that can help reduce the installation of unnecessary components: http://www.vlite.net/

Hardware: No question, Vista demands current hardware. I would NEVER install Vista on an existing XP machine. We deploy Vista on new machines, and phase out XP with hardware retirement. i.e. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Security: This is where Vista is streets ahead. The fact is that the world has to move away from operating Windows as an Admin, and to operating as a User. Until this happens, worms & viruses will continue to wreak havoc on inexperienced and/or casual users. To do this, both users and programmers must be coerced into changing their bad habits. UAC is annoying as all hell if you ignore and continue to dismiss security, this and turning it off just says you don't want security. In my experience, once you move to operating as a user, you will rarely encounter the UAC alerts... but to do this you need to have software that is not going to demand Admin rights to perform simple tasks.

Overall, I would certainly not rate Vista as the O/S of my dreams, but it’s also not the worst product or the total disaster that anti-MS zealots would like to paint it. It’s a necessary step in the move away from the evil DOS/Win9x days and into the more mainstream secure computing environment, and configured appropriately, can be a perfectly acceptable option. The real test will be how MS handles the next step in that process.
posted by : Fred Snark, 30 January 2008

it's just a step...a bad one

ms has made bad software before, the turnout after this should be interesting. apple switching to *nix based was a good move for me because i'd gotten tired of windows a while back and learned a bit about *nix stuff, i hope the next version of windows will at least have some sort of x windowing implementation, and yes, improve upon all previous versions in all areas that were mentioned above by another commenter, i don't see how it couldn't be an improvement. people that like it, cool, people that don't seems to outweigh and i think there will be a turn around.

my primary machine is an apple and no need to any flavor of linux with that, running all my oss from there and i have parallels for anything i may want to do in XP, but it never gets launched.

i never saw much benefit from going to xp from 2000 pro, except 2000 slowly went the way of the buffalo.

long story short, ms will learn from some mistakes and prolly make more, but vista has made me more eager to see what they come out with next, even though i prolly will never switch to it or any other ms os again. i say that now, anyway.
posted by : joe, 30 January 2008

VOLE, FIESTA? & uLTIE64.

I am sorry if my advice lead to waste monies, its not that 64 bit Ultimate didn't work, your system just not Ultie or its not broken in enough, clean system & registury, get sp1 & updates if you believe your mainboard is Ultimate capable, which is 790fx & x48 at present, don't use massive game card yet, its too much? yet, that dislike & wish to "toss it" is wrong, just think out "YOUR OWN PERSONAL PC" & get few
parts needed.also hardrive may be too fast, slow it down with setting & bios, use raid.
Next, Vista is like wide new pastoral landscape, fiesta might imply rich reward for hard work. that hard work being getting fista less fistie.
"VOLE" is French Word for FOX, as in: smart like & is used in slang for thieft that is well thought out, nearly invisible.So some pundit applies Vole to Microsofts Activation Management.
Mac IS better, its 10.5/ Apple uses double number of Pc, so about 5.25 or above NT5 (XP & non Ulties), yet it has less problems as it really is less, as Vista Ultimate is 6.0/6.1, So more advanced than Mac system, yet not as perfected yet. Isn't it fun to build & comment upon absolutely new stuff? Also apple is midget of opportunities compared to windows. Remember Mac 10.5 came out thru summer/fall with smart phone, retailed about septembe/OCT'7, so it has step further of time to prepare slightly lower complexity O/S.
Linux is mandatory backup disc for emergencies, yet really trap of costly small code bits that barely work. Something of Phoney, yet it is improving all time. its K7/8+ optiion if you have spare equipment.
If you have useable Activation numbers DON'T tell microsoft those numbers, they will deactivate them right over telephone.

HOPE THAT HELPS & KEEP IT UP.

drashek
posted by : Microsoft_Ultie, 31 January 2008

Windows XP x64: Under-rated.

Yes, I know I know... Windows XP x64 was born as a complete compatibility nightmare... but does that still mean it is?

I have upgraded to Windows XP x64, and it has become the OS I swear to. It is also probably less likely to phase out (or EOL) than the regular Windows XP, because Windows XP x64 was based from Windows Server 2003, and, ever notice how XP x64 follows the Server 2003 service pack cycle? XP x64 and Server 2003 use exactly the same service pack, so I won't be seeing SP3 anytime soon that's for sure. SP2 was technically released for me less than a year ago when Server 2003 SP2 was released.

That aside, I've had absolutely zero compatibility problems since moving onto XP x64. Hardware works, Drivers work, Software works... and brilliantly at it. This is also the first MS OS I've never ever witnessed a BSOD on.

XP x64 also somehow feels less "Malware" infected than regular Windows XP. As far as I gather, WGA is completely non-existent. I've never gone through the WGA Hell as a good chunk of people have as MS seems to have not bothered with making a WGA for XP x64 at all.

Windows XP x64 has made me feel confident to stick with Windows XP for much longer than I would have anticipated. For me it was really the final blow for Vista.
posted by : Entrope/S.S., 31 January 2008

Things are not as bad as this article pictures them to be ...

Your article makes it sound like it is the end of the line for microsoft, it's doom and gloom and Linux is going to take over the world. Reality is far from it.
I was bitterly disappointed with vista when I first installed the OS on my computer. It is a resource hog with it's default installataion. Then I came across an article about VLite on your site. This was just a couple of days ago. It is a software that allows you to remove components from the setup itself and allows you remove all the bloat from the windows, something that microsoft should have allowed us to do.
I removed everything from the OS that I considered bloatware or that was hogging the resources. This included superfetch, Readyboost, indexing service, User performance tool, Security center, Windows defender, non-sense software like windows dvd maker and the sorts and of course, the much controversial, error reporting service. The results were amazing. It took me only 17 minutes to install this stripped down version of the OS and now it takes about 20 seconds for the login screen to appear after booting the system and everything is blazing fast !!!. Open the task manager right after logging in and it gives you a memory footprint of about 350 MB. Mind you it is a P4-2.8 with 1GB of RAM.
What I make of this experience, microsoft made a good OS after all but bloated it bitterly, and did not give the users the option to remove it. I think allowing the users to choose the components to install will go a long way in the acceptance of the OS.
posted by : DrSani, 31 January 2008

RTM killed the Vista Star

I completely agree with you, I was running Vista pre-RTM on a lappy and it was quite good - for a Beta. You can forgive the faults and the errors but a year later and apart from Microsoft now taking money for getting access to your data nothing has really changed...
I still have it running on 2 Boxes, a MediaCenter which crashes every time I take out the SD card with the daily snapshots and my Asus R2H which I no longer use because I got tired of appreciating chrome in slo-mo (Now get me a disk of XP tablet, plz ??? )
I fixed the MS chatter w/ a proxy server, got a Mac Pro and a Macbook Pro for all the rest, my wife says "once you go mac you never go back" and until I polish my hindu no more funky cloud-shaped stickers on the back of my boxes....

PS. Just for fun, try Vista in another language than english
posted by : Ralph Oliver Schaumann G, 31 January 2008

KEEP THE BITCH!

I lol at the ppl that say vista is a different animal now the service pack is upon us, that would be true if they had taken all the DRM out of it, fixed the UAC with the “did you initiate this” and the top of the list, your not in control of the data that leaves your computer “big high five for that one Microsoft” if xp and vista was your girl friends, xp would be the girl you've grow en used to, ok she's put on a bit of fat over the years but she's loyal, vista would be the young bit of skirt that looks nice but soon as your back is turned she's off with your best friend. WELL YOU CAN KEEP THE BITCH!
posted by : will, 31 January 2008

YOUR BAISED!!!

How can you give a QUALIFED OPIONION on something you DONT EVEN USE!!?!?
VISTA is teh BESTEST MICORSOFT OS EVER!!! You can KEEP you're Ubuntu SUCKos
DRM-free Commie sotfware without the Windows GAURANTEED Advnatage that
I enjoy, sipping my tenth latte while VISTA whips my DUAL QUAUD-CORE PENRYN
into WHIMPERING SUBMISSION!!!

HAH!!!!!
posted by : Micorsoft Bob, 31 January 2008

Dear Andy, please learn to read

Charlie has not used Vista over a prolonged period or done anything constructive. I've complained to Microsoft in the hope they might get a clue, and helped with the SP1 beta programme testing.

After all, eventually we're all going to have to live with it (at work if nowhere else) and it's in your interests to provide constructive feedback and help improve the product.

No agenda, it's generally not a bad product (although the loss of accelerated Directsound and having to pay for alchemy was a bit annoying), just has a few rough edges and poor drivers.

A tip : Using terms such as 'Fista', Windoze or M$ makes you sound like an immature arse. People like you damaged the OS/2 community when it still existed, and still do to the Linux community right now. Win by making the alternatives compelling.
posted by : Peter Kay, 31 January 2008

you're probably right about Vista and MS, but...

...but, whoa! Your grossly exaggerated and irresponsible bribery claim leads me to the impression you're an axe grinder with a minor in crying wolf. Please resist the temptation to apply so strong a word to what probably reads to many as nothing more than a good-faith offer to freely demonstrate a better copy of what you've already purchased.
posted by : Steve, 31 January 2008

Talking about things...

one does not know of, is like a virgin talking about sex.
Have been using RTM Vista for a year now and since i kicked that X-Fi out it is damn stable.
I still remember when XP came out and how unstable it was until SP2, big difference this time.
Sure, there are situations, where Unix is better, but from a gamers perspective needing multimedia apps, there is no alternative.
Tried that praised Mac OS (Tiger ans Leopard)and was suprised that, there are still situations where you need a shell. Tasks could sometimes not be killed via the desktop and some "unorthodox" installations were not easily done. And it is likewise DRM infected.
There is no "better" OS on this planet, always has depended on what you need and always will depend on it.
Talking about some OS is "the best" is childish, professionals should have stopped doing that 15 years ago.
Talking about an OS one has not tested thouroughly is plainly dumb.
posted by : WoenK, 31 January 2008

Wow

Just love all the idiots and MCSE's in these comments posting things like: 'Vista works great on my 1,000,000GB 2Teraflop 10 million-core Cray machine!'

Meanwhile they're swimming in DRM whilst Vista silently reports the intimate details of their porn collection to the MSFT mothership.

Hello: you've completely missed the point of the article you morons. It may appear to 'work' for you, but it's really only working for Microsoft and their customers: the MPAA & RIAA.

No Ubuntu is not immature and 'just bad'. It really works, don't complain because you're too scared to try a different OS.
posted by : Jeeves, 31 January 2008

Vistaaa?

You can take Vista, and shove it.

I recently installed Ubuntu, dual-booting it with XP Pro.

Honestly, this Debian based OS is really very good. I have had no problems with it so far. It's FREE and so are the updates.

Winbloze XP is bad enough, but my experience with Vista has convinced me that Linux is my future.

The constant garbage that Vista users have to go through has finally convinced me.

No more having to phone Microshaft to validate my OS which I paid for, no more hassles about changing video cards or motherboards, etc...etc... it's like being set free again.

My plan is to dump Winblowz from all my computers and run Ubuntu.

They can take Vista and shove it.


R.

posted by : Rainman, 01 February 2008

Can't afford it anyway, but...

I haven't used Vista yet only because I can't afford it or the upgrades I would need to use it on my current computer. Other than that, I wouldn't mind trying it. I like XP as it is, though. It's a pretty stable, sophisticated OS.

But for those of you who think Ubuntu or any other Linux is the solution for you, I woudn't suggest any setup where you are completely dependent on it. Dual boot is Ok, but the thing with even the most popular Linux distros is that even if it works right now on what you have, there's no guarantee that it will work after the next upgrade. I have a lot of Linux experience, truly, and if you ask me, any Linux breaks a heck of a lot easier than Windows XP does. And when it does, it's a bigger job to get things working again.

For example, Ubuntu 7.04 installs fine on my current laptop, but the 7.10 upgrade doesn't, and while 7.04 installed from CD, a 7.10 iso won't even boot no matter what instructions I follow to the letter. Every kernel upgrade can be an adventure, because you never know when something you had working before suddenly won't be working anymore.

And if you think MS is bad, try spending some significant time in a knowledgeable linux community. In the friendly ones, nobody really knows anything or can really help you solve your specific problem (of which there are usually many), and on the ones where the knowledge really is, you're more than likely going to run into the it's your problem and read the documentation attitude. That would be fine if the documentation was clear and easily accessible! Most of the time, even if it exists, it's totally out of date. Documentation seems to be an afterthought in the Linux world.

Any time you have to install something on an existing, working distro, you better hope and pray that it all goes smoothly, because if it doesn't, you're going to be in for some serious researching and typing. Same thing the first time you want to add some new peripheral. You're better off just sticking with XP.

Then, take the time to look at what versions you have. A great many of the key software packages you need to do real stuff on Linux are still not even version ones.

I don't like the idea of activation either, but who do we blame, Microsoft, or the people who lack morals and ethics who use illegally-copied software?

My solution, I use what works, and that's XP for me right now. But, except for the free downloads, I have absolutely no MS commercial software on it. Who needs it, when there is today so much free, open source software that works just as well (even though the appearance might not be as flashy)?
posted by : Pierre, 02 February 2008

Not really living with Vista

Since you're not really living with Vista or using it at all how can you write an article on it.
posted by : J, 17 May 2008
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