Buy Vista or die
Gartner warns punters
BEAN-COUNTERS at Gartner have warned businesses that they should roll out Vista as soon as possible or be prepared for pain.
The outfit is, apparently, a little concerned that some businesses have written Vista off as a lemon and have decided to wait until Vole comes up with something better.
But according to ZDNET, Big G has said nay, nay, and thrice nay, as companies could feel some pain later down the line.
Gartner research vice president Michael Silver said that outfits have delayed their Vista migrations to the point of stupidity and now some are considering late 2008 or even 2009, while others mull skipping the OS completely.
But Silver warned that there were no guarantees that the next version of Windows, code-named "Windows 7" will arrive on time and might end up being just as lemon flavoured.
He pointed out that some outfits who tried to skip one of Vole's finest products found themselves up to their necks in ISC support problems.
Anyone trying to by-pass Vista will have the same woes, he warned. µ
Comments
I don't understand...
If a certain OS is working out for a company, why the fuss about switching to Vista?I say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
The link doesn't work anymore
The link doesn't work anymore. Tried it because I wanted to tell the ZDNet author to stop spreading FUD.What a crock. .
Thats absolute tosh. . . there are loads of companys even now that are still on W2k, and no amount of pushing my Microsoft saying it was going 'end of life', got companies to 'hurry up or else'. Bully boy tactics don't work with Blu-chips . . .and never willAbout time...
I think the problem for Microsoft is that people are becoming more and more tech savvy and are realizing that Vista Ultimate costs more than a brand new computer.Also if you upgrade and have no problems (Rare) you will only get a few extra features.
Personally I think Windows Vista is worst then Windows ME and that’s saying something! Bottom line Microsoft make vista better or see q1 2007 profits die.
Whew!
I was just reaching for my wallet!Asshats
Anyone who bothers to listen to an industry analyst like Gartner, Forrester, whatever, needs to be shot. They're all idiots.What?
"might end up being just as lemon flavoured"That's some great logic then. The next product might suck, so you better buy the current one that sucks.
2010 for me
I see no point in a costly upgrades from XP considering the hardware requirements. I'll think i will keep my 'backwards compatible' XP pro for some time.Upgrade to Vista? Home users yes, Business No, it's just not worth it until there is a real need.
Gartner utters Volish
It's well known that Big G is funded by the vendors it covers, ultimately becoming their ever so independent mouthpiece.Hmmm....
This stinks of a PR stunt, with a juicy check attached, the article name should be titled "BUY VISTA AND DIE".... After trying Vista I'm huging XP and loving KubuntuNews flash: Businesses say Gartner is WRONG!
This just in. Businesses say "Gartnet is dead wrong."In a report circulating today, businesses are reporting that Gartner is wrong, and there is no need to upgrade to Vista, and no worries about sticking with XP or even W2K. They indicate that after extensive research, they would have to purchase all new PC's just to run an OS that doesn't provide them with anything new. Gartner claims that security is improved within Vista, and yet businesses have found they can gain the same security by simply forcing their users to run as "Users" on their current Windows OS workstations instead of as Administrators.
Could this spell the end of Gartner and Microsoft? Without Vista, Gartner would loose 50% of their reporting topics, thereby reducing them to nothing more than a magic quadrant with no content. Without Gartner, Microsoft would no longer sell Vista as they would loose a major voice in the industry telling people what they have to do.
Com'on, lemmings!
That is what Gartner is saying. "Get in line or b.a.a.a.d things will happen".Since there is so much uncertainty about Microsoft OSes (as Gartner mentions), it is probably time to migrate to Linux.
Imagine, no patch Tuesday's, no viruses, no forced upgrades. Nah, that would be too easy ...
Wrong
Kevin Niekerk, sorry but thats sooo dumb Windows ME was rubbish, I uninstalled Vista and went back to XP but i wouldn't say Vista was a bad OS, I just like XP everything works perfectly. My work has over 2000 PC's all of which have 2000 and they have no intention of upgrading to even XP. Like Ted said, if it aint broke don't fix it.Microsoft need to fix the file transfer problem on Vista BIG time, copying 1 file from 1 drive to another takes ages, and that stupid new address bar thing!!! wtf i don't think they have heard of human computer interaction (USABILITY) . I will not go back to Vista until i can have my Up button back in explorer. Finally I hate the new start menu.
The Sooner Gartner Dies the better
Why would anyone listen to Gartner anyhow? Planning your bussiness moves based on the alignment of the planets and stars has more chance of being right than listen to themCorrection
By the way, this is the proper link:http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39291367,00.htm
I dont get it
They recommend us to upgrade to a lemon because the following product may be a lemon as well.What the hell?
I'm happier with my water melon :D
Business Consulting
I second the earlier comment about business consultants. These guys have no idea what they are talking about 95% of the time. The biz consultant's job skills are a) bluffing and b) coming up with ridiculous advice that will sound good to executive management (who usually have even less of a clue than the consultants). Keep in mind that in consulting the motto is "up or out", so be sure this fellow is placing his bets because fear sells (which is good for his career) and should it somehow not sell in this case he might even create an option at Microsoft (also good for his career) should he find himself "out" down the road.I Don't Think So...
I will not use Vista until Microsoft or Intel make it a requirement. I had to move to XP from Win2K to get HyperThreading support. So far, only DX10 is Vista only. When I require DX10 I'll move to Vista or Windows 7.Just say no
Local consumer electronics shops where I live now sell powerful laptops at very reasonable prices. I was interested in buying such a macine in early November but they all (a selection of about twenty models) came with Vista. I told the shop assistants that I would be interested in buying if XP was installed and they told me "No can do". Several friends did the same.I am delighted to report that now (early December) these shops, magically, sell several laptops with Linux or with no operating system (but not with XP).
Consumer pressure works.
Tell you families to say no to Vista this holiday season. It's time to stop the M$ rollercoaster and demand software that both works and respects the user.
Walk the Talk
If Gartner can't show us proof that they are already migrating all their own users to Vista...i will take thier word less than a pinch of salt..Go Tell Intel They're Stupid
Not long after the rollout of Vista Intel's own CEO Paul Otellini, when asked at an analyst meeting when Intel would roll out Vista corporate wide, answered not for at least 18 months. That's well into 2008 and knowing how big Intel is the rollout could probably last well into 2009. I guess stupid is as stupid does, at least according to Gartner.Racketeering ...
Their comments and actions as of late (OLPC and the lobbying of Walmart) stink of racketeering. I'll be glad to have a non-republican staff at the Whitehouse soon. Even if it means the morons that come to power are paying attention to the wrong people (trying to tax the hell out of the oil companies ... uuuhh to lower costs which uuhh ... is typically passed down to the customer again).From the throne,
J
Correct URL
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39291367,00.htm
F.U.D.
I am so amazed at companies that contribute nothing to the world, except the paper towers they excrete, just to get other (just as useless) companies to regurgitate the same swill.Maybe by the year of the Olympics? The ones in London that is.
The company I work for is just finished switching all PC's to Windows XP. My development machine is still running Win2000SP4, and I told the IT-guys they better not touch it! I refuse to use XP because, compared to Win2000, it is quite the piece of crap in my opinion. So, Vista?? Not this decade. And if it is down to me, never. But then, I'm one of those people who is still using Office97 ;-)Monopoly?
Well...it's funny how our university forces us to use sources like Gartner for research papers when half of their stuff we can't access and the other half consist of this kind of bull. Now who's to say that Gartner and ZDnet aren't paid by MS like the recent Gamespot canning of a reviewer due to a bad game review? It's funny how in the old days ZDnet had some stuff worth reading and now just include bull.I think it's important to see what kind of cost it would require to migrate businesses to vista...1500 per person for hardware plus the license cost. Now add the additional support it would be required and the time wasted trying to get the damn thing to work correctly at not half a mile an hour. That's a damn serious problem if you ask me!
Now...microshit first introduced the 5 year product lifetime for their advantage. Why? Because when they make a good OS like W2K and the whole windows market is using that OS...no one wants to switch! And just a tad more info on their effort in improving customer experience...during the numerous times of Vista activation blowing up in my face...I found that with Vista...you get 90 day of support from the time of purchase...unlike XP with 90 days from the date of activation! I love these word plays cus as far as the consumer goes...they still see 90days!
Since the whole windows market is using XP and like using it...MS can't make anymore money if they can't force the inferior Vista onto the windows users!
Lemon, lemon thrice lemon.. bleh.
Yeah the flavour sure is lemon.. crashed 2 times today.. and there is some crackling sound in my speakers when using the scroll wheel on the mouse.Copying files from an external drive took 7 hours or something.. took only 2 hours i think with Xp..
Would have been nice of Microsoft to actually send out the fixes they got one by one.. instead of waiting months to make them in a bundle (SP1).
No really what a crock...
I'm on a Vista laptop right (work forced me) now, and I kid you not when I say that I need to have a virtual machine of Windows 2k to get work done... Honestly to avoid headaches I work solely on my 2k VM assigned a paltry 128 MB of RAM... and for some reason that totaly bewilders and amazes me it's faster than the host Vista machine, granted I "only" have 1GB of RAM on it, but still it's a rediculous situation when you contemplate it. I also have to admit that I'm using Office XP as my company isn't going to buy another coppy of Office after junking my old system. Guess what Microsoft based email client has problems with Vista? for some reason Outlook XP refuses to remember my password why?... I have no idea. In adition to that another ap I use will not print at all not MS's XPS Document thing, not Adobe Acrobat 8(I learned that the hard way... to the tune of $400), not CutePDF, not even printers that have Vista drivers. I can only assume it has to do with DRM, or the new printing system.Vista isn't worth the extra money to support, and retrain staff(both administrative and support), and buy and install new hardware. This is not a clean or easy chenage, and in no way shape or form cheap. Who says these companies are going to go to Windows 7? Amazingly Vista is the best advertisement Linux, OSX, and Windows XP ever had. Heck concidering my current situation I may as well be on a Linux distro.
-mm
vista only with new computer
Microsoft should advertise Vista as Windows XP media centre Fixed.No 3rd party codecs needed, No 3rd party DVD software needed
Vista home Prem/Ult ships the way XP media centre should have been shipped (on one disc with no extras needed to make it all work)
I'd never recomend anyone upgrading their rig to Vista but wouldn't expect them to go out and buy a new rig with XP on.
I'm writing this on Vista Ultimate X64 no crashes since install on 01/02/07.
No compatibility problems with software released after 2003
Yes you need more memory but 4GB of PC2 6400 is about £100
Logic(?)
So people are supposed to take up lemons because what comes after those lemons are more lemons?I must have read wrong.
Lemons and Apples
We have old saying in my country:"Two lemons don't make an Apple"
No fanboism here.
I'm an XP "purist".
I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Linux anyone?
Buy Vista for loads of £££$$$ or migrate to linux for a lot less!Hmm, microsoft look like they are alienating themselves yet again! Dumb W*****s!
bad link
Here's the proper link.http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39291367,00.htm
ZDNet may move it though. ;-)
Cheers,
John
Banish Gartner or die
I thought most people stopped listening to Gartner back in the 90s. Companies big and small should send the likes of Gartners packing. Better still sue them for all those idiotic strategies that has saddled companies with the mess of PC servers ( > thousands in large companies) with budget far exceeding mainframe/super-mini servers. The Gartners have turned lean, technical departments into a bureaucracy of people & human issues management - technical solution is not even on the radar screen in this gravy train for middle-manager wannabes playground.rubbish
Win2K still powers many enterprises with complex finance & legacy systems. Heck, even NASA has only just (Oct 2007) upgraded the space shuttle laptops to WinXP from Win2K. When you are running mission critical who runs at the bleeding edge? MS shot itself in the foot by not getting VISTA out the door years earlier, and so WinXP support matured all round. It's just Marketecture, BS & FUD.Malarkey!!!!
There is not one reason for a big (1000's of PCs) company to migrate to Vista Business or Ultimate. Matter of fact, the cost of doing so could be enormous. Most big companies sit on their PCs for a very long time.I am the chief IT cook and bottle washer at a very large office within a VERY large global business and we still have P2 350 based systems. Even still, the average machine in the building is about 2 GHz and only has 256 MB RAM. That pretty much means that we are going to have to buy all new PCs if we MUST go to Vista. For here, that is over 300. That is just not going to fly when the big question of "What more will this provide us compared to now?" is answered with "But if gives your employees aero glass and IE 7".
Nope. Gartner and MS can shove it on Vista.
(I should further note that I HAD to downgrade my wifes new laptop to XP as there were too many software issues under Vista. I really hate Vista and so does my wife)
I always upgrade!
I always upgrade, I love all the new features!Ubuntu 5, 6, 7.. 7.10 is the best yet! I can't wait for 8!
I'm glad someone out there is looking out for me, helping me avoid the issues of having too much money in my wallet or having freedom of choice in my software. Whew, that is a relief.
Big G better pull on his long pants...
because it'll be a cold day in Hell before I buy Vista.If the US military won't touch it with a long stick, why should I?
Hmm, smells like bullsh*t
I work for a very large organisation that happily runs W2K on all computers, a few of the machines run XP and my old clunker runs OS Warp.If Micro$oft would release something worth upgrading to, I am certain that a multinational company would. Until the time when drivers and the like are fixed and your computer doesn't need to be almost top-of-the-line to even run the resource hog, then business, like normal end users, might take it up. Until then, the Vista is bleak and holding up two fingers.
Vole's goals
One wonders who sponsered this report. I love that the fact that the next one MIGHT be buggy is supposed to make you want to jump into this one. That is idiotic. If the next Windows comes out and it sucks as well, THEN you can move to Vista, providing there is a good reason to move at all.Not only is this information bad, it isn't even good at being bad. They need to practice spinning more before they can play with the big boys.
Improved for what?
Got another $50 clunker of a Dell to play with today. Comes complete with WinXPPro, Office200x. Works fine for mail, browsing, word processing, spreadsheets and stuff.Tell me again why I need to watch HDTV on a work system.......
Remember though...
Remember though, Microsoft ends support for OSes after some time. Already Windows 2000 has past its mainstream support and will only have hotfixes provided if a company has bought into extended hotfix support. Expect WinXP to die off in a few years even if people still want to stick with it.Lemons...
So hes saying eat a lemon today because you might only get lemons tomorrow... This is not acceptable in any way!I wonder how much microsoft paid this guy
This is such a huge pile of garbage. I still don't see any clear, significant advantage to vista. Some of the things I've heard about it are downright moronic.Oh sure! lets install this new OS that is even worse then XP and a severe resource hog and has incompatibilities.
As ted said earlier " if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
ULTIMATE CAN BE DONE!!!
Ultimate on 690x can work, dial up is less, as Ultie is more, yet it works, dsl is good & cable is much better. I have 16 gb "c" partition with 10 ultimate partitions, 2 partitions server 2008 (even better than ultimate on t1) plus one 2008 hidden & xp on bios 2, they all play cable like crazy, yet now my mere 16 gb c has run out of disk space after 6 months, no crashes, no blues, no failed partitons. sp1 may be BLACKDOGG Cometh. TELL MR. LEE "The CODE Has Been Broken". 16 gb isn't much for all that to fit in, yet it has run flawlessly for so long, I PITY DWEEB WHO PURSUES XP AT THIS LATE HOUR.tom vondrashek
Stupidity, Thy Name is Vista
Any company that migrates to Vista before XP is no longer available deserves whatever happens to them, water carriers for the Vole notwithstanding.$180 computer?
"I think the problem for Microsoft is that people are becoming more and more tech savvy and are realizing that Vista Ultimate costs more than a brand new computer. "Show me a computer for $180.00 US (NewEgg's current price on Vista Ultimate)
Do WHAT?!
I think I'll stick with either XP Pro/Media Center, Kubuntu(Like KDE rather than Gnome), or figure out a way to get MacOS X working on my PC Thank you very much.Being a PC repair tech I see many a people who wished they didn't have to have to languish in the buggy lemony taste of the VolVistadon(Note the dinosaur reference, ase I wished Vista, if not all of M$ would become extinct). In fact I always look to see if there's XP drivers for a customer's machine, then I let them know if there is. Hint! Hint!:)
Reasons to Buy Vista...?
Reasons to buy Windows Vista.....There are none...yet....XP Works fantastically (When configured correctlly - if you know how). Persoanlly I'd still be on Windonws 2000 If it supported Windows Zero Config for Wifi Connections but sadly it doesn't. To be fair, I remember feeling the same way about XP when I was using Windows 2000 as I do now about Using Vista instead of XP. I always seem to be about 1 Version of Windows behind...and end up realising why I dont suffer from any issues with Windows products at all because once I get the "latest" version, It's been patched to buggery and works well enough to use...well just about anyway.
Are you kidding
No company in their right mind is going to upgrade to Lemonista.Seriously, if every company swapped to Vista tomorrow the world economy would crash. Imagine the mayhem.
Actual posting
The link was just missing the trailing "htm": http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39291367,00.htmAbout time
As a software developer, I'm glad somebody's saying it.My customers want this feature, that feature, new this, fast that. And believe me, they pay a lot more than the cost of a typical computer for my software...
And some of them still want it all to work on a Pentium III running Windows 2000???
Vista=Terrible OS
I know gates bailed Jobs out and that the DOCK is not Apples, however, Vista is a piece of c rap.I installed it and to date, it still does not have the drivers I need for high end audio work.
Switched to Mac about 7 months ago.
My other PC is XP.
I also like Leopard/Tiger pricing:
Standard : $129
Premium: $129
Ultimate $129
Microsoft is a joke now.
Its so magoo.
ridiculous
That is just ridiculous. I install computer systems, and occasionally have to image them. The local electricity company just replaced all their systems earlier this year, and they are still running Win2000. Some banks I've been at recently are as well still running Win2k.Heck, the Department of Defense, I think it was them, or some other gov't organization, rated Win2k as to have an approx 20 year lifespan. Why should any business want to change out an OS every several years just to find new problems that need to be supported? When you can have most or all of them already well understood and documented? Only leaving room for new software to cause problems with the existing and well understood underlying OS?
a OS switch has to be enormously expensive, not even including the cost of licenses for thousands of machines, but in the tech support hours put in because of the switch and the problems which could arise and break what ain't broke.
Vista?
Oh my god that article is too funny, the guy who said that must be paid by vole. At my company we still working with windows 2000 heheheheMore than that for companies that are running on old hardware they'll never switch to vista when their hardware won't be supported in vista.For most company buying vista will cost a fortune in hardware too, just to be barely able to run only the os.
Vista
What happenned to "seamless transition" and "additional functionality" ??Bloat and bling are only acceptable when the first two conditions are met.
Like Millennium, Vista is simply not a compelling upgrade to Win98SE or Win XPSP3 (or SP2 for that matter).
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The link lost the "htm" off the end. Try this:http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39291367,00.htm
Kinda, but mostly kinda not...
Okay. I work for IBM. We've had the mandate that we're not even considering Vista until we see a distributed SP2. As it stands, there's no guarantee we'll switch even then. Depending on the operation/department, we're running XP 2K or some flavor of Cancer... I wager we can do this because we're friggin' IBM. We have the eggheads and poindexters in sufficient numbers to keep the systems viable until the OS waOkay. So, here it is. I work for the original Big Blue. We're not switching to Vista until we see SP2 and may still hold out. But, we can do that because we have the eggheads and Poindexters to keep things running. Not everyone else can say that. We also have a mixed network of 2k, XP and some flavor of Cancer. Again, not many can say that... As for the rest of the business world, options get tighter, especially with MS yanking tech support for XP in the spring. You have to think of how many businesses have their own competent technicians. Not that many. And you also have to figure how many business are decent size and have reasonable ratios of debt versus income. So, maintaining XP might become more expensive for them in extra ways. But, switching to Vista is just as expensive, guaranteed, all in the up-front. Factor the lack of meaningful improvements versus legacy hardware incompatibilities and Vista quickly becomes less and less viable an option.So, what do you do? You either hope staying with XP isn't going to be that bad, switch to Mac or switch to Linux. It's clear that WinVista, overall, is a paper tiger. But, totalitarian rule over OEM support makes that almost a moot point, if you want deep supportability. Much like Sony's PS3, WinVista is MS's most expensive system to date and they are determined to make their money back, no matter what. So, again, what do you do?rs shake out over the next two or three years. But, the same can't be said for a number of other companies.
Companies in the top tier of the Fortune 500 can either do the same or pay to outsource the upkeep to companies like us. But, for enterprise start-ups on through to mid-size companies, this just isn't really an option. They can try. But, only a few will be able to make it through unscathed. And this is where the new rub comes in.
Linux is more viable an option that in years past. It seems to be finally hitting maturity. The fact that Cannonical has made their move with Ubuntu
if it aint brok dont fix it
I think this company was paid by MSoft, to say this crap to induce some buying.IT infastructure, doesnt work on the basis something new is out we need to move to that, not at all.
its the opposite, if the whole infastructure is working and dam well, and not costing the buisness money, there is no need to change, that is setting yourself up for more problems, and hardware upgrades, and money spent, buisness doesnt like to do this too often.
people are smart, they are waiting till the latest possible time to see if vista gets anybetter (personally I like vista, I can play DX10 games, all my software works) I like it. only issue was I had to activate twice in 2 nights due to hardware failure but was easy and not too painless
but if it aint broke dont fix it, thats my motto to my buisness clients
Yeah, right
If I recall that correctly, in the 90s those folks were predicting armageddons if people hadn't taken care of the (cough!) y2k bug (/cough!). Now we call that the biggest scam all time. So, how dare they open their mouth again voicing IT related stuff? Biologic Organic Cookies should become their primary business, imho. Since that's another everest-size scam....The point of stupidity
So business have been stupid not to have massively rolled out something that would have totally knackered their whole IT infrastructure ?What idiot wrote that trash ? He should be fired on the spot.
Gartner should really stop using interim workers and start hiring some analysts.
News : Windows 2000 is still going strong in the business IT world, even though Microsoft has cut its support since Moses grew old. Win 2003 is the preferred upgrade path for those old 2000 boxes, with or without support.
Fact : No amount of Gartner-sponsored Microsoft bullying is going to convince an IT sysadmin to roll out a defective product. Especially not when tests have demonstrated that it does not work with the company's critical applications. Said sysadmin knows that it'll be his job if he does.
Fact : Gartner has just lost that much more credibility for insulting responsible sysadmins who have done their testing and objectively concluded that it wasn't worth it.
Frankly, I wonder why Gartner is still able to command any attention at all. That bunch of jackoffs should simply be ignored and left to froth from the mouth.
yeah, right
We have nearly 1000 different software applications. Testing all these will take at least 1-2 years. We only rolled SP2 for XP out 3 months ago. How can they expect companies to roll out Vista without any testing?I have Vista Ultimate at home for 4 months now. I like it so much, I'm going to put XP back on this weekend. I've had it with random services just crashing. Stability is bull on this. My XP could run for weeks without crashing, whether my Vista needs a reboot every now and then.
DX10 for XP Please
The only reason I'm remotely 'thinking' of upgrading to Vista is for one thing only:- DirectX 10.1 (SP1)
In Jan '08 when SP1 rolls out (plus delays), the OS 'may' be stable, and as a game enthusiast and DX programmer, all I want is DX10 - that's simply the only possible reason to upgrade. Otherwise, what's the point in upgrading? no benefit to the end-user, the one who wrote this article is obviously a M$ Fanboy with terrible predictions.
XP > Vista (except for D3D for me).
Delusional FUD
"The link doesn't work anymoreThe link doesn't work anymore. Tried it because I wanted to tell the ZDNet author to stop spreading FUD."
posted by : Peter Stern
Yeah, how about theinquirer. FUD, FUD and more FUD. Let's keep giving away more money to M$ so that they keep coming out with more Molasses Hungered Memory Vista like OS so they keep spying on all of us. We Windows users must be f*ing masochist to be buying more Windows Me and Vista like OS; and those spreading the FUD must be delusional and they must have M$ fingers in their asses.
Keep XP, buy Vista
I suspect most companies do what ours does -- we buy 95+% of our OS licenses as OEM licenses. We're buying Vista today and installing XP on every machine that comes in the door. In another year or two, 90+% of our machines will have a Vista license and so we will roll out Vista on those machines and either buy Vista licenses for or leave XP on the remaining 10% until those machines go away. Those will really just be a few low end, task oriented machines, not normal desktop users.fista who ?!?!
Linux is looking pretty good about now.re: Link broken
Try looking here..http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39291367,00.htm
Never change a running system ?
Taking into consideration how long it takes until some companies roll out a new OS, they have to start now. All th planning, testing and even more importent, the time it takes until they really know what they are doing, will have them ready when SP2 arrives.Vista vs. NT4
I've been in the I.T. field for a decade or so now..and most of my clients don't like migrating or changing O.S.... and this is the reason for my post... I have a client that will not switch from NT4 workstation...he has a 2000 server but all his workstations are NT4. the company does CAD. and the owner says he wont migrate from that O.S. and even if he does he will move to windows 2000 pro.And he went to a workshop about the glories of Vista...and they could not get him sold on that O.S...So i have to laugh at that comment. i myself tested vista for 6mths and i was too happy to return to XP. haven't missed a thing about the pesky resource hogger..
Good Luck With The Sales Pitch..
How come...
that most of the time the people who don't have vista that complain about how bad it is.we have used vista for months now and we didn't find any "problem" to be like those "vista is evil"-shouters are trying to tell anyone.
those people who try to tell everybody how bad vista is should stop spreading this FUD and let people decide for themselves.
the only problem vista had(!) was bad driver/software support, since we upgraded to x64 only. But that problem is solved for months now.
Waiting for SP3
Screw Vista. I knew from RC1 that it was a lemon. Maybe if they get it together SP1 will help it out but I doubt it. I'll be happy when XP SP3 arrives. Oh yah, and Firefox3. :P{Oh come on, Ed. }
B.S.O.D.
Buy Sista Or Die!Link truncated
The link has lost the "htm" off the end. Try this:http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39291367,00.htm
Problem with the Media
I think one of the biggest problem with media today is the tendency to pass paid shills off for 'analysts' or 'experts' on the subject. Reporters should at least make mention of their obvious bias from these sources. I'm not sure if it is laziness or what that reporters allow these guys to pass themselves off as 'experts' as opposed to what they are: shameless promoters.This Gartner outfit is obviously an organization paid by Microsoft through indirect channels to promote Vista.
The same pattern was seen in reporting on the housing bubble with endless quotes from the real estate industrial complex cheerleading the bubble.
The marketing line this week is: "Go Vistard!!!"
I agree with the previous poster: Gartner and Forrester are just shills whose "industry reports" are nothing more than propaganda that's bought and paid for by the companies they report on. For quite some time I've wondered why The Inq even bothers reporting on whatever the latest blathering is from those two.What if I don't want to?
I've been actively testing Vista 6 months now. Patch after patch it get little better but thats not the main problem imo. The real pain is to buy new version of each software you have. And if you have some special software stuff just made for you oh that money Vista will cost you.And as you can downgrade XP to W2K, you can downgrade Vista to XP. But according to vole you cannot downgrade Vista to W2K, so companies needing new W2K computers will be in trouble unless Vole doens't offer W2K in some volume licence program.
History repeats
The numerous companies who delayed on rolling out Windows 2000 from NT4.0 regretted it when they had no upgrade path to 2003 Server/XP and their existing NT4.0 investment was useless.Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Ummm
Hey Gartner... there's a little something white on your chin there...Maybe they ment upgrade to XP?
I mean it seriously, how much longer will we have to purchase XP. If the next Windows is as broken or worse than Vista, it may be that we will need to hang onto those XP licenses longer than expected. Gartner must have been thinking of those poor souls still booting slowly with win2k and not having proper timezone patches.Truncated link
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Why change something that works
I personally don't like Vista. I've been involved with IT for over 20 years, and the issue isn't really that Vista isn't any good, the issue is that XP is good enough. Sure, security problemas and what not, it's to be expected, it's software, it has bugs, it's the most popluar OS, security issues are bound to happen. But it works, for businesses, for homes, etc. Microsoft finally did it, they made an OS good enough that not many want or need the next version. Vista's biggest enemy isn't Linux, MacOS, or any other OS, it's XP, simply because it's a good OS, it works, it does what people need it to do, it's stable enough to allow people to work and do what they need to do.Enough said.
Exactly!!!
I work with many firms that are still W2k, why? Better support for damn expensive hardware that oft times doesn't have instantaneous drivers for newer OS's. Why on earth is a firm going to trash a $45000 printer because the rip software has issues with WXP SP2, nevermind Vista. Especially considering that moving to Vista for these machines would only be a benefit if it was a migration tot a 64bit version... Yet again, no drivers / app support.Seriously, who in their right mind would roll out an OS with nearly twice the system requirements to do the same bloody task? Further, with DDR2 so cheap, why the hell is there even a 32bit version of Vista? That really P*sses me off!
If MS wanted a clean break from XP, and a real reason to have firms switch to Vista, they would have made it solely 64bit, thus pushing the various software stakeholders to code with much more enthusiasm for a 64bit environment.
I mean damn it! Vista needs 2x the memory to run as well as XP does, and yet with the majority of systems shipped with 32bit vista, you're still bloody well limited to ~3gbs physical memory, and a 2gb user space.
i could reach out and stab somebody...
Go MacOsX (with Xp), and Linux (w/wine) FTW.
LMFGO!
If this had said "migrate to Linux or die", I wouldn't be larfing my nads off at Michael Silver right now.Ludicrous...
Actually I wonder how far MS is willing to go in order to trick people into thinking that Vista isn't the *huge lemon* that it *is*?This kind of suggestion "smells" like it was "dollar-doped"...it's such a ludicrous no-sense that's has no equals!
If the companies who don't step to Vista will "feel the pain" what one could say about the many companies that still run on Windows 2000?
How depressing
So, Gartner says companies should spend a ton of time and money "upgrading" to an OS they don't actually want purely to avoid support issues.What a sad sad state of affairs. Whatever happened to companies upgrading because they *want* to, not because they *have* to.
How much they paying the big G
Another load of rubbish I see floating over the net!I can tell you big G, I do a load of work for companies and they have been quite bogged off with Vista, the extra cost of spending and not to mention my cost on top, problem is they seem to meet computer service people who spread the rubbish you do.
I just have to go in and sort all the problems and explain to them how they had been taken for a ride because some person has just used the term " you have to update to Vista as its the latest and best"
What a load of rubbish, if Vista was so good and I have beta tested the beta's and the RTM version, why is it I do not run Vista today on any of my systems, I will tell you, its all a market profit make situation and does nothing for the end users, Oh! It does look pretty lol.
Or...
Buy a Mac? Their OS upgrades are usually worth doing. :PI think Leopard is the version that really hits well for business too. But yeah...legacy support, already purchased server technologies...kinda gotta stay with the big MS now.
Licensing is ridiculous though, come on people. You can get a Leopard server with no CALs and all your Mac clients can use the included messaging, mail, and calendar services. SAVES MONEY....ok, I'm done ranting. ;)
Mad
That's mad. Trying to argue that companies have to buy faulty software or risk buying even more faulty software down the line... when will the madness end?Don't listen to that Gartner guy
I have WinXP at home, and will try to keep it on my desktops for as long as I can. No way I am switching to Vista.At office we have Windows 2000, and will probably use Win2K until 2010, after we may upgrade to WinXP, and I hope we will never make the mistake of installing Vista.
Vista or Die - laughing?
Don't get me wrong, some people deserve Vista.And I deserve to make money maintaing it for them.
The OS dillema
Unfortunately, no decent OS of choice for most of the people and their business. Stick with XP as long as you can, and pray some miracle to happens meanwhile (no signs yet of any, though).What a man needs from an OS?
- stability & security;
- invisibility in workings;
- a perfect abstraction of data & application presentation;
- a perfect abstraction of communication capabilities & tools;
- performance;
- no vendor lock-in;
- standards conformance;
If you know an OS with ALL of these things, let me know. It's not Windows (any), Mac OS, or Linux/BSD flavors.
Vista is garbage
WAAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAA is that microsoft I hear crying in the back ground ?Windows isnt the only big dog on the block anymore , arm twisting just makes companies jump ship to a more stable ride .
Vista is garbage admit it , deal with it, now move on .