Who wants vista at all?

Have you ever tried Vista with 512MB ram?
Even with 4 cores, yes I have a 4 core Operon 270 (x2) system....
It's slower then hell on it.....
With 1GB ram it's a tad slower then XP on 256MB ram.
A program launcher, that's what an OS is!, needs more then 1GB to do what OS/2, NT4 etc did with just 64MB ram?

Microsoft is clearly the most stupid company in the world.
Vista is such a memory eater it can't even justify the WAY above 512MB memory for running!

But yet, monopoly as they have, they do force it on us....as usual....

The world would be a better place with Windows OpenSource...yes that should be forced upon M$!!!

Macroshaft Predicts mass Winblows Blister adoption

The only reason people are likely to buy Vista is so they can play the next gen of games coming out over the next 6- 8 weeks i.e. Crysis, Hellgate etc etc.

But who is going to fork out for Winblows Blister if Crysis can be made to run at a higher frame rate with the same DX10 features on windows XP?

http://www.crysis-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=11837.0#msg203789

Wait... what?

They can't be bothered to push out a service pack and they still expect people to buy it? For most people that I know, it is a requirement that must be met before any such purchase is made.

Network transfers from Vista Exploder still creep along at fractions of their potential

Commercial software hasn't caught up yet... *points a disapproving finger at Creative Labs*

Gaming still suffers, DX10 is nothing if not mediocre

I could go on... but the new features just don't make me look the other way, nifty as they are.

probably will sell

Now that truly affordable 'mainstream' Dx 10 cards are out (i.e. 8800GT) the OS will probably pick up as the new round of DX 10 games hit the street.

I don't care for Vista as my main OS, but I'd rather pay $500.00 and build myself a nice gaming machine, onto which I'll throw a copy of Vista, versus paying sony $500.00 for a console with no games.

pffffttt

and those who buy computers with Vista preinstalled will continue to downgrade and contact support to find out why it blue screens when they boot to the disc. for u guys, enter the BIOS, select SATA operation, change to ATA compatible / RAID autodetect, try again, and i completely understand what you mean about Vista.

Bernstein reliability

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DX10 still does nothing and is slow

I just got Hellgate: London, and the only difference I can tell between DX9 and DX10 is that DX10 is slower, the mouse is laggy, and any amount of anti-aliasing causes it to crash. The Crysis Demo with the tweaks looks just as good under XP as it does under Vista and even better, it is playable. Hellgate: London was supposed to be the game for me that made me boot into Vista more often, but I don't see any reason to do so after seriously using it under both DX9 and DX10. Any benefits DX10 might bring to the table are completely eclipsed by the fact that performance sucks. My system? C2D@3.3Ghz/2GB DDR2-1066/8800GTS640/X-FI

Terrible, just terrible

After three months with Vista, I've given up and switched back to xp. I've never had more problems with an OS than with Vista. A file system crash out of the blue (brand new HD) was the final nail.

Actually I uninstalled Vista recently

well i put vista on my dad's PC 5 months ago and last weekend i was summoned to get rid of it as my whole family hate it.

turns out that without doing anything vista was no longer recognising usb devices, copied a meg of files in the time xp could copy 100 meg and was generally unintuitive to my family.

then i tried to put xp back on. what a trial. MS appear to make it very hard for that to happen which gave me the extra energy i needed to make it happen.

vista, is still not ready.

"particularly to businesses"

hah! Not a chance in hell ;-)
I work for a large multi-national company and we've just switched to XP this year... so, by my calculations, maybe in 2012 (Not!) Maybe by Service Pack 4 or 5, when there's nothing left of the original.

Amusing

As for Vista adoption, what does Microsoft plan on doing? Killing off support for XP at the end of November? Wouldn't put it past them. hehe.

Whoever this is at MS sounds like he's vying for a job at Sony though. Media focus manipulation may have sold as much Vista as has been, but it's not going to sell it all.

As for 'bas':
"Microsoft is clearly the most stupid company in the world."

Hrmm? Really? Apparently Microsoft must be complete idiots for making as much money as they have. If you have a solution, build it yourself and show us your vaunted intellect, hrmm?

"needs more then 1GB to do what OS/2, NT4 etc did with just 64MB ram?"

Oh, and by the way, I'd like to know how in the heck you managed to get OS/2 or NT4 to run FEAR, Bioshock, GRAW and other games I've been playing on Vista for the past year. Not to mention City of Villains (which requires half a gig to run all by its lonesome).

I'm really curious.

@ Bas - Get with the times

Bas, Vista on 512 MB of RAM? Why would anyone? That's even sad for an XP machine these days--an amount that Dell would ship on its $200 machines. I surely hope you're not wasting your processor with that paltry amount.

If you're going to rail on Vista, do it for its actual problems, not because you expect your 5-year-old machine to run Microsoft's newest OS. Microsoft didn't design the OS for such machines because, quite frankly, the owners are usually the kind who are out of touch with reality. You know, the kind who reminisce about archaic OSes like NT4 or OS/2, or the days when 64MB of RAM seemed like a lot?

Even then, Vista can run decently on that 5-year-old relic with some minor upgrades like 1GB of RAM ($35) or maybe a $50 DX9 video card. Most people don't lose sleep over that kind of thing.

HA!

I never knew there was such a thing as a Microsoft fanboy.... a bit strange but mostly disturbing if you ask me.

Regardless, I could only take 3 months of vista myself. You'd think with all the experience Microsoft has had creating OS's they'd get it right by now.

Ya Right....

Ha.... In no uncertain terms my multi-national company has made it clear they intend to skip the Vista experence completely!

I have heard the same from many of our suppliers too.

Personaly, I hated it!!!!!!!!!!!

Business Adoption

As someone mentioned earlier, their business had just moved to XP, as did ours, and I'm assuming a large number of (large) businesses. The upgrade to XP was very expensive, the cost of the OS was the cheap part, other more expensive parts are retraining users because their screen looks different, upgrading hardware, certifying that all the needed software will run on the new OS, etc. Our company has 10s of thousands of PC's so the cost of upgrading is very expensive.

Bottom line, large businesses are going to take a 'wait and see' attitude.

to bas

@bas: ummm, listen, tard, Vista uses SuperFetch, which USES all the memory available to speed programs up. furthermore, I've used vista on Single core 2.4GHz P4 with 1GB Ram and it ran just fine. 2GB is the recommend requirement and on 2GB, it works like a dream. open sources tards shouldn't be allowed near Microsoft Windows. fall in a well and die.

Stop whining

I don't see why people are complaining so much about Vista's memory requirement. 2GB of RAM today costs less than 256MB did (the bare minimum, as far as most tech savvy people are concerned) when XP was first released.

When you consider how cheap RAM is, I think it's pretty tough to come up with a valid reason to complain.

Whats with all the Vista haters?

Personally, I think Vista is great. It looks better, Windows Explorer NEVER crashes or locks up like it always did in XP, it's more intuitive, easier to use, and as far as blue screens go, except when I OC'd my CPU and RAM too aggressively, I've never had one.

So what if you have to get an extra gig of RAM to run it? It's called upgrading folks. It's called moving forward. Why don't we all just go back to using Windows 95 and forget about progress? Maybe everyone should still be using Pentium 1 CPUs and 8MB of RAM. Get over it.

Huh?

Wait, your last article on Vista was saying something like 88 million copies sold so far, and yet you still persist with these "Vista is largely ignored" stories? I'm sorry, name me any other product in any other market where 88 million copies is a failure. Really, I know everyone is excited by the idea that no one wants Vista, and it is going to spur some mass adoption of Linux, or OSX, or whatever your pet OS is, but how long are you going to keep this up before you realize that you are delusional? It just didn't happen. Vista just wasn't the miserable flop the tech press wanted it to be.

While everyone is busy running articles about how amazing the iPod is because it sold 100 million in 5 or 6 years, and how incredible the iPhone is because it sold 1 million in 4 months, or how unstoppable the Wii is because it sold 10 million in the first year, you are still running stories about what a flop Vista is because it 'only' sold 88 million copies in 10 months! Get a grip, and acknowledge that your predictions of Vista's abject failure were wrong.

I don't have a problem

If you have a system running XP, and it works, why would you mess with it ?

I work for a company with a shitload of PCs.

On new machines that we buy with Vista, we just use it, and it works like a charm.

On existing equipment with XP, we just leave well enough alone.

Service Packs for Vista? - the patches are all downloaded fast enough.

Say what you like, but we are not buying into the Vista FUD - we don't play games at work, we don't watch HD video at work - it works for us.

Wow, the Hate is Strong Here!

I've been using Vista x64 Ultimate for four months now and it has been a wonderful experience.

Unlike various other posters, I find the updated UI to be rather elegantly and intuitively designed, not to mention rather pretty.

I see a lot of unfounded FUD being tossed around here at theINQ (bless you though) regarding Vista, when most of the accounts I hear are from people not understanding how to configure hardware, install drivers, etc, ie: user error.

Granted hardware vendors have been extremely slow to develop drivers for Vista in general but the oft-touted Vista sucks this/that complaints are for the most part misguided due to that very fact alone.

The OS itself is quite nice when you stop to see what it can do, rather than looking for every opportunity to complain about your hardware not working with it.

/rational input

Vista could be great

I was waiting so long for this OS upgrade but it turned out to be nothing other then XP with a fancy interface. Ok there are some nice features but nothing that could not be done with XP and third party software.
Anyway the dll and the bloody register is still intact which is the main thing i hate about Windows.
I have installed Vista 64 with lots of problem and BSOD on my HP pc but it worked fine after the installation was done with some luck. There is a huge lack of software/driver for the 64bit version (Codec, Creative driver, Firewall etc...)
Now i am sitting with the 32bit and thinking why the hell i even bothered to move from XP which was working perfectly.

My next computer will be a Mac for sure.
Already looking at the Macbook Pro. I will use PS3 for my gaming and also Mac for WOW of course so Windows is out for me. MS no more!!!!!

Vista will never run good!

Microsoft messed up and made some Vista versions for motherboard manufactures that "DID NOT" require activation. They sent them to Dell, and to Asus just to name two. Now, anyone with Internet connection can get a free copy of Vista Ultimate. MS will never fix Vista, so they can motivate you to buy the next OS they ship out.

Works fine for me

I've been using it since beta and I have only had the odd problem with video drivers. I haven't had a blue screen for at least 6 months. I wouldn't recommend it for business yet, but when the OS is fully patched it runs fine. I like Vista and I have no plans to return to XP any time soon.

Vista adoption

As in previous years they are trying to shove their new OS down our throat. But how lucky are we?!? they built an OS that finally does not crash!! an achievement no doubt! good old XP (SP2) finally does what we wanted in the days of win95. Guess what Vista is? ME 2...or should I say windows RG (The Really Good edition)

Instead of innovation, practicality & value to the customer, this vista OS was fuled by everything ELSE.

Adoption, I am amused by the notion. For a M$ PR bunny this would mean some kind of warm embrace by a client coughing up some £250 for their precious shiny OS.
But in truth Vista adoption is really all about a child no one wants, needing a home.

Micro$oft is like some evil family desperately trying to get rid of their new child called Vista & guess what? NO ONE WANTS IT!!

Of course

It can't be helped; Every new machine comes preinstalled with vista, in a year or two it will have almost the same market share that XP has now. Remember too that XP will be RIP by august next year..

Such a shame if you ask me, Vista is a deplorable OS that is being forced onto us.

Vista Business Sales = XP Pro Installs!

Well, Microsoft is right on one thing -- every business I know has started purchasing Windows Vista Business licenses with all their new machines. Which is exactly what the sales figures show.

That said, I personally know of exactly ZERO of these machines that are actually RUNNING Vista Business. Every single company I have dealt with has exercised their licensed downgrade rights and has XP Pro running on these units.

In essence, the sales figures for Vista Biz mean absolutely nothing in terms of Vista adoption -- a fact Microsoft conveniently omits.

What would be MUCH more interesting to see are the numbers off Microsofts Update servers stating what OS the update requests are actually coming from. I strongly suspect these figures would tell a very different story than Microsoft's sales figures do.

ignorance != bliss

Why the hell do you only have 512 RAM? This is the year 2007 isn't it? almost 2008. My GPU has more than that. What are you thinking? And an OS is AWAY more than a program launcher FYI

If you don't like vista then read this article on why you should move to a mac OS:

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/11/mac_trojan

2007 (vista) - 1998 ("new Windows 98") = 9 years behind


go back to school, noobs

Twice in a row

If SP1 had come out by now, they might have stood a chance with Christmas sales. As it is, they've missed the peak of the retail season two years in a row.

I don't fancy their chances for next year...

Disappointed

Using Vista Ultimate, I have twice BSOD: one time when playing S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and other time authoring a DVD using DVD Styler.
Gentlemen, I have not see BSOD since old good days of Windows 98 SE...

Another piece of crap: every time I try a TV tuner application, Vista fills my screen with stripes (but no stars :-))) ) and, when I manage to see something, I have no sound...
"If your PC has a TV tuner, you can record, watch, and pause live television on your desktop or mobile PC using Windows Media Center." What a liar...

agree

Microsoft will sell their OS well no matter how many of us here/where ever complains about it. The thing with Microsoft is that they have the money and they have the will to do it.

Sometimes i laugh at the hypocrisy ppl have. They curse MS to the hell and still use Windows and many other MS applications. Funny phenomenon, dont u think?

I personally use Vista and XP together on one PC and i am pretty satisfied with both of them. XP needed some time to become mainstream back at 2002 as does Vista atm.

I wish all the best to MS and their OS.

Jaanus

A Disaster...

I am working for a computing company as
an engineer and I should be very familir with OS like Windows. But Vista is nothing but a nightmare for me. It just keep on crashing and have some issues with my hardware. Even more, it runs even slower in my Opteron 275x2 4GB machine than my brother's Pentium 4 1GB machine. I don't know why I need to stick with Vista and I switched back to XP and happy ever after........

Elma Fud tells Microsoft

Listen very very carefully Microsoft, VISTA is the biggest dud of an operating system ever produced in this time space continuum. OK. The whole planet is telling you this so wake up. Even when Crysis comes out we're still not upgrading from XP to Vista so deal with it. Stop talking crap, throw out Vista and go back to redesigning XP with all the goodies people want. You've got about a billion emails and feedback from around the globe on what NOT TO DO so do a George Costanza for one year and do the opposite will ya!
We'll all be adopting kids from Cambodia with Angelina before we adopt Vista for Xmas.

Vista Copying...

Alex... I don't know what's changed recently in Vista but the performance of copying has *drastically* improved. I used to use a command prompt, otherwise I only got a fraction of network utalisation that I should have, but since running update a couple of weeks ago it's shot up to the same as my XP machine. Even whilst playing music in Media player, and over the wireless network to my uPnP player.

Sorry for all the naysayers out there, but if you run it on a good modern machine you get really good performance out if it. If you are running it on the lowest spec machine possible then you are going to get crap performance, but *duh* if you run XP on the first Windows 98 machine you are going to get exaclt the same performance hit as running a crappy XP machine with Vista.

AC predicts mass Vista dump onto distribution channel

Perhaps this simply presages the upcoming channel stuffing for the holiday season.

XP > Fista

"Vista is about to hit the big time, its maker Microsoft claims."
Yeah, when XP is no longer available and consumers have no other choice (of Windows OSes).
I predict a huge booming business for Chinese floggers of pirated XP disks first.

Vista? Why?

You really want to read this:

[url=http://www.crysis-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=11837.0]>>Crysis DX-10 game<<[/url]

There you will find out that XP is far better then Vista is.
This game was supposted to be the DX-10 flagship...well...it runs better on XP...
DX-10 either is a joke or this game is realy DX-9....

More anti-Vista garbage

85+ million sales isn't mass adoption? Wow, I can't wait to see how things improve over the next quarter.

Vista, despite having awful reviews and lots of FUD spread about it, has sales several times higher than any of the other popular consumer electronics things, such as all the current gaming consoles (1-1.5 million/month) and iPod models (10-20 million a quarter) combined. And don't forget that Vista hasn't been in stores for consumer purchase during the winter holiday period, either.

All things considered, it's selling quite well I think.

Eye candy

It sure looks pretty. I must say even with its eye candy desktop, xp still has a polished feel to it in regards to stability. In Vista Exploder stopped working several times and managed to reset without locking the system. I had no problem with hardware discovery on this homemade pc. However the, cough* dell pc got its lunch ate and I finally gave up trying to load Vista on it. MSFT has some nuts trying to push this system like its ready for prime time!

If IT people....

I'm an IT person in large company, with many IT collegues. If nobody in our IT dep. switched to Vista, it means something... If IT people don't "appreciate" a new OS, it means it's really crappy. Q.E.D.

I am about to "downgrade"...

I gave Vista the chance.. I came along on my Lenovo ThinkPad T61 and I have been running with it for around 3 months now.

But now it is enough.. I am so tired of the extreemely slow disk system (no problems when the same machine is running XP) and the lack of support for my UMTS modem from Vodaphone. The drop was when my desktop began to crash each time I tried to open Control panel.

This weekend I am installing Windows XP on the machine..

Forced Takeup

While trying to recover laptop data I found it interesting to see just how much has been removed from the Micro$oft archive.

Buy Vista and use your recovered data unless you want weeks or tracking down obscure websites to fix the Windoze version that came with the the old hardware... if you can't upgrade tough!

Good times ...

My son built a Vista machine for my daughter. He's not without skills, and still it has been an unmitigated disaster. We will be wiping the HD and installing XP Pro this week. I'm thinking of buying a couple of OEM licenses just to have around. Vista is an overpriced, under performing, dubiously stable piece of bloat ware. Too bad Linux doesn't have a larger footprint in the gaming space. I'd be on it in a minute.