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Nehalem looks set to deliver a real big performance jump

IDF Taipei Numbers game

SO, THE EARLY QX9770 desktop Yorkfield Extreme part was trying hard to come close to 6GHz here yesterday under deep freeze. And now we know the equivalent unlocked top-bin "enthusiast" Xeon for Skulltrail and similar boards (there is expected to be more than one board supporting unlocked dual-socket Xeons this year, not just Skulltrail) will be called QX9775. This is basically a "no holds barred" version of the X5482 3.2GHz FSB1600 part.

These - obviously - are fast parts and, with a few more steppings coming along over the next six months, Intel got that frequency headroom to something like 4GHz under normal operating conditions, something confirmed to us this morning by a very large Taiwan OEM.

So, how much will the Nehalem be faster than the already oh-so-fast Penryn, focusing specifically on the core IPC single thread performance? I asked Kirk Skaugen, Intel's Digital Enterprise Group VP and GM of Server Platforms Group.

Kirk is always friendly, even to the point of having had a fun chat during the previous Taipei IDF on how great it would have been if Nvidia actually did come out with a dual socket Xeon Nforce SLI chipset - which it didn't up to now - so I expected a fun answer this time too.

Well, no fun here - he didn't want to comment on the CPU core-specific performance expectations beyond the well known integrated memory controllers and interconnects. But he did say that the CPU core performance jump from the same process Core 2 (Penryn) to Nehalem would be higher than the jump for Netburst to Core 2 itself.

Since that last jump was pretty substantial - big enough to turn around the market situation and put AMD in a lot of further trouble, I'm curious how far would Nehalem go then.

If we compare the initial top Core 2 launch part, the 2.93GHz Conroe, vs 3.73GHz Presler, the last Netburst part in the same process, we're talking a speed increase between 30 per cent. And over 80 per cent right there and then, depending on what you run - I'm not counting some of those rare benchmarks where the difference was more than double.

Let's say, putting it conservatively, that the last extreme Penryn (Harpertown and Yorkfield) part is a 3.6GHz FSB1600 one in, say, April-May 2008, and that the first Nehalem, TylersburgDP platform, comes some two to three months later.

If it really provides a speed-up not even greater, but just similar to the 30-80 per cent jump seen above in the Presler-Conroe move, we'll have a speed champion on hand. Even the highest end Power6 parts, in DP configs at least, would have a bit of paranoia about this one. Just think the Harpertown benchmarks scaled to 3.6GHz, then multiplied by 1.3 to 1.8 depending on the case.

And, remember, Captain Kirk, the Intel veep, said, that jump WILL be higher. I'm looking forward to my first TylersburgDP experience then.

On a lighter note, a rumour circulated here that AMD mistakenly delivered 500 of its new CPU parts to one customer but forgot the charge. Intel wags promptly suggested it was the largest AMD delivery they heard of this year to date. µ

Comments

Amazing

If intel really can pull out that kind of performance I'd amazed.
posted by : Adriano, 16 October 2007

NN Journalistic Bias

Never miss an opportunity to promote Intel and slam AMD, do you?

How about more objectivity and less cheapshot Intel fanboisim?

Tired_Of_NN_Bias
posted by : Tired_Of_NN_Bias, 16 October 2007

"Witness the power of this FULLY OPERATIONAL battlestation"

I believe this is where we shall cue jokes regarding Death Stars.
posted by : wut, 16 October 2007

back to the real world

i very much doubt Nehalem will bring that kind of speed bump again simply from the fact Intel does not 'need' to anymore as AMD are currently so far behind, they will just bring just bring the launch speed bins down or and i think this will be the case anyway,
Nehalem will not be released in mid 2008 it will slip to late 4Q '08 but i guess only time will tell on that one.
posted by : Ruiz, 16 October 2007

AMD vs. Intel

Well, it's not a religion, you know. You *are* allowed to change the supplier of your PC's CPU without anyone nailing you to anything/burning you alive (briefly alive. Hopefully, anyway)/cutting off bits of you.

Right now Intel CPUs are simply better. And it looks bleak for AMD, going forward. It's like Pentium III vs. K6 right now and it's headed to Pentium II vs. K5 territory.

Except, back then AMD used to be a good candidate for budget systems and Intel for the highend stuff. At least in my book. Now it's Core 2 for the highend and Netburst for the low end.

AMD probably should do something about that soon, I think.
posted by : RasEm Brsiq, 16 October 2007

Take it with a pinch of salt

Intel wants to never be seen, ever, as lagging behind in technology.
When the whole P4 architecture debacle happened, many in the company were against it, but politics, rather than technology, won - and the market gave a real hard kick to Intel on that.
So the new motto within the company is "Never again".

So would Intel ship parts that are so significantly ahead that AMD is left far behind, Yes.
Will they ship something that is 30-80% better in single core performance than Penryn in Nehalem, I would take take with a big pinch of salt overall (maybe for certain benchmarks).
posted by : DingTheB, 16 October 2007

Are you sure?

Are you sure he was talking about Netburst to Core2?
Or was he talking about perf improvement from Core (yonah) to core 2? Nehalem seems more of the latter kind of improvement. Multithreading and CSI will greatly improve its scalability. But when it comes to single-threaded performance, I do not expect some miracle.

Agree with one of the earlier comments: your articles have too much of pro-Intel bias.

About Nehalem slipping to Q4--not so sure. Intel demoed DP version of it running at IDF. Give it 9 months, and it should be ready to go.
posted by : core2dude, 16 October 2007

Time will tell

They give you 3.6ghz ,but the cpu's throttling at 80% all the time - the way its always done at intel hey. Comman man - dont play with the puppies - save for your ticket to join the big boys

The 6ghz cpu is like the most dangerous pup ever - it s************** the garden and dig holes
posted by : Werner, 16 October 2007

Time will tell

The thing I like best about this industry is that actual performance, not BS, will tell us which chip is best, and by how much. We just have to wait.
posted by : Big Al, 16 October 2007

tech nurd on steriods

what is this writer on?

You have to be on some kind of drugs to even want to fallow / understand this stuff.
More to the point , of course the next cpu`s will be faster and yes they will be more expensive and yes they will do stuff.....
The days when this kinda in depth cpu nurd stuff where interesting are over.I dont follow this garbage anymore?
Intel have done a great job in confusing the hell out of everyone.
posted by : pe, 17 October 2007

80% jump

I think 30-80% performance improvement may come from hyper threading 2, if your application is optimised for 8+ threads. Since Nehalem would have more processing units, so I would expect the HT2 to deliver much better performance than we saw from Pentium 4 to Pentium 4C.
posted by : Jerome, 17 October 2007

maybe lga 1366 will speed things up most

I heard a while ago that some of the Nehalem processors are going to use LGA 1366. If that's still the case and higher pin count = higher fsb or quickpath/csi speed, maybe that's where some of this huge speed increase will come from?
posted by : Rayman380, 17 October 2007

Intel vs AMD

Looks pretty good, right now months from launch we are seeing previews from whats next from Intel ahead of Penryn, which isn't even out as yet. What can we expect from AMD after Phenom for that matter where is Phenom?
posted by : DeadSouL, 17 October 2007

Does it really Matter

Come on people. Does it really matter who makes the best CPU?
The bottom line is where I get the best bang for my buck. Honestly, those Intel guys have opened a can of whoopass and from what I have read; they are going to open another can.
Unless AMD can get their ducks in a row which will be difficult without any money and or resources, Intel will make a product that brings the best value to the consumer.
Yes, that means they will make more money to procure more resources to build more Fabs and make faster and better chips.
posted by : Techbeliever, 18 October 2007

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Yeah right, it definitely won't make as big of a speed jump as core did over netburst.nehalem is still a derivative of core while core is an entirely different architecture from netburst.Excluding those connects, controllers and things like SSE i would be happy with a 20-30% pure seed bump.
posted by : NKVD, 03 March 2008
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