Working RV670, Phenom system pixellated
Exclusive Spider computer working all nicely in Seattle
AMD IS GEARING UP to launch three series of products for Q4'07. AMD Phenom, RD790 and RV670 are all supposed to arrive in at the same time.
And we managed to get the chance to play around with the demo machine AMD set up in cooperation with Sapphire.
Components
placed in a huge case from Thermaltake...
AMD is calling its CPU+GPU+Chipset package "Spider", and the system we had in hand consisted of an AMD Engineering Sample CPU, clocked at AMD's standard engineering sample frequency, two RV670 cards and 2GB of Super Talent DDR2-1066 memory. The motherboard was Sapphire's own RD790 creation, albeit in first-generation form. Sapphire's second generation motherboard will ship at teh same time as the AMD parts, sporting features Sapphire is well known for.
AMD's quad-core Phenom was marked as Engineering Sample, causing some
utilities not to recognise the processor
The processor for this system is no other than long-awaited Agena. TheCPU runs with no issues in Socket AM2 and AM2+ motherboards, HyperTransport 3 is up and running, but sadly, we could not run any benchmarks as far as CPU is concerned.
We wonder why AMD test systems are not running 64-bit Vista, but
the 32-bit version with 2GB of memory is working just fine.
For an engineering sample, we did not experience any instabilities - this silicon worked just fine. The system is very responsive to any command given, but we could not check the speed of loading Windows Explorer when network drives are attached.
Sapphire's RD790 Motherboard
Tuning
up the HyperTransport 3 all the way up to 2.6GHz each lane, or 5.3
GTransfers/s.
You can start cheering right away, since AMD decided to push the digital distribution of power (aka DVRM, Digital PWM) across the whole product range. In our talk with folk from Markham, we learned that such decision was made in order to have complete control over every aspect of the system, so that users could change every possible aspect from the motherboard, GPU or components tied to the motherboard.
Of course, this all depends on motherboard makers or AIBs implementing all of the features that Daamit has in store, but what we have seen - RD790 will be a tweaker's dream.
This board had small passive coolers on critical components, three PCIe 2.0 slots for graphics and a couple of PCI ones.
When it comes to PCI Express and the whole configurability, AMD's call to go digital with the reference design and now with Sapphire and DFI designs was absolutely the right one.
Manual
control over how much watt with every PCIe 2.0 port get. If you max out the
PCIe slot + PEG connector, this can give more juice.
If, for instance, motherboard vendors decide to implement PCIe control, the user will be able to completely control the way the PCIe slot works, from the electrical side to data. In a reference BIOS shown to us, we could change the amount of current available per slot. So, with three or four slots per motherboard, you can regulate how much power can go to a slot.
If your PSU can handle it, you can give up to 255 Watts just through the slot, 105W more than defined by the PCIe 2.0 standard. You can go as low as 25W (or even cut the power entirely, if you don't want to use the slot), so there will be no issues with compatibility with PCIe 1.0, 1.0a, 1.1 and 2.0 boards.
ATI RV670 graphics cards
Cards shown here had 2S cooler, and board remind us of X1950 with digital
PWM
Now we come to the star of the show. We cannot believe that company had the balls to show off an unreleased product on WCG finals, but it seems that AMD is changing its ways. This was not the only thing they showed, but for that we'll do another article or two.
The RV670 shown here did not come marked "RV670XT" or "RV670XTX", just one of RV670 reference designs. The two boards worked in Crossfire, hidden in huge Thermaltake chassis. These boards had a dual-slot cooler, and power consumption is such that it can run just from the PCIe 2.0 slot alone. However, in order to keep the compatibility with PCIe 1.1 motherboards on the market, six-pin PEG connector was used.
We learned that no final clocks are set yet, but the boards that are here in Seattle worked at quite interesting clocks. Needless to say, this product is going to offer high-end performance for excellent price. We will have quite an interesting battle on our hands.
But to get back to the boards themselves, the design is something we would put between Radeon X1950 and 2600XT. 512MB of GDDR4 memory were used on the card, but the cards had no DisplayPort connectors. We had no means to measure the temperature, but you can keep the finger touching the back of the PCB in GPU area with no problem, even when 3D apps are running.
All in all, we have seen quite interesting display of engineering from ATI and AMD, now the only thing that remains is finalising the products, selling chips to partners and getting this complete package out the door.
We're reasonably sure that AMD will launch all three parts at the same time, but nothing is set in stone. µ

Comments
Eng samples so close to show time?
What bothers me is that all AMD has to offer so close to mass availability time is still "engineering samples". This leads me to believe that Phenoms will show up in retail at late December at the earliest, and then only at very limited quantities. The Athlon quads are still extremely rare - a month after the official unvailing, and the Phenoms will fare no better.Strange
Funny, if I were AMD I wouldn't use such a powersupply for a system. I mean, 1kW sounds like negative marketing for a ~100W CPU + 2x~135W GFX... 600W should be more than enough... Or shouldn't it?Memory speed
Text in article states DDR2-1066 but post screen capture shows DDR2-800. What gives?Wow, nice!
Makes me wish I was there to look at it in person, especially to see the quad-core AMD CPU running. I've been waiting for that for such a long time. I can't wait to upgrade my computer to that after it's released. My little AMD Athlon XP Sempron 2600+ is in dire need of a replacement.Also, hopefully, the anti-aliasing performance issues are completely solved with the RV670. As new as shader anti-aliasing is or what AMD's original intentions were, I don't think it's necessary at the moment until more games use it.
Is it deliberately vague?
Are the statements "standard engineering sample frequency" and "quite interesting clocks" deliberately vague because of an NDA?Is this the B2 (Opteron Quad 2.0GHz + 1) stepping?
Does it look like Phenom will be competitive at launch?
SWEET!
Finally it looks like AMD are finding their feet again. Why they rested on the laurels for so long and let Intel back in the game I will never understand! I think for now, at least, AMD have something to compete with again on all fronts with a bright future with the likes of Leo (replacement for Spider, this system) including the R700’s which should have them fighting for the crown again, whether this will be quite as bright as Intel’s future with Nehalem I guess time will only tell. Both are expected mid-2008 but I would project Q4 as a more likely candidate.AMD’s only stumbling block could be Video Encoding that utilises SSE4.1 as somehow Intel has really pulled something out of the hat on this one and I am not sure SSE4a that AMD has will be quite up to the standard. But then again if the Ati side of the business get their act together with exploiting their GPU’s for this then the improvements Intel have gained will be totally insignificant!
The biggest problem for AMD today is how much Intel are up for the fight, as I’m pretty sure Intel could go to 4Ghz tomorrow with their 45nm if they were really forced to do so but as with everything in business, they will only do what they absolutely have to do. I am not sure why this never falls under ‘uncompetitive behaviour’, I mean if they were fixing the price they would be in court before their feet could touch the ground but fixing the performance is deemed fair!
Anyway, it would be nice to see a few more performance risks taken by both camps, I mean why not introduce quad-channel DIMMs and while we are on the subject of RAM why has XDR RAM not taken off? Just look at its numbers. Ok, I accept that it might be a big ask to integrate it into a system but the rewards look huge. But to not even have nVidia or Ati to use it in a high end graphics card seems criminal.
All in all, this November looks like Christmas has come early for us techies but for me the holy grail of CPU’s will be the Leo vs Nehalem fight of late 2008. I can’t wait, which I think makes me pretty sad!!
I'm not impressed...
AMD already show something much more exciting than this.If you want to see some QuadFire action, follow this link :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jpG3rv4zI
Septembre 12, one week before the SkullTrail presentation.
Intel is late...
a bit confused ...
yeah, about the Ram speed, if you look closely at the pic during POST (see above), the RAM being recognized at DDR2 800, how come the author wrote its run at DRR2 1066.ill be happy to hear if the phenom is actually capable of running DDR2 1066, and please tell me, the BIOS was misconfigured :-b tahts all
blur pictures
you review cameras so critically but the boot screens are all blurry snapped.Windows Experience Index = 1.0 ?
Anyone noticed the Windows Experience Index score? It looks like "1.0". If that is true, then this system could be awfully slow! So is that "1.0" or something else?Memory Speed - Possible Explanation
The reason we see DDR2-800 could very well be that the early BIOS is simply showing the memory divider selected in BIOS. Provided that the multiplier is properly set, choosing the DDR2-800 divider would allow the RAM to operate at/near Super Talent's suggest PC2-1066 speed. Read more about this here:http://pcper.com/article.php?aid=459&type=expert&pid=6
Neat case
Thanks for the Phenom update. Can you recall the make and model of the case this system is in?the 1.0 rating
The 1.0 rating is because they have not ever run the windows benchmark.Sapphire Mainbord RD790
Nice Theo ,do you have may some more information,
pictures about the Sapphire Mainbord RD790.
Estimated Launch ?
I guest this is also new and intersting.
Switching off secondary graphic cards?
How far does this new power distribution thing go?Can I switch off the second(/third/...) graphic card
in the BIOS? That would be cool if I just want to
type text and don't need all the graphics power.
And if this later also works dynamically dependent
on the graphics load ... ;)
1.0 fo' Sure!
I believe the processor is not recognized by Windows, and since it is usually the LOWEST score of any particular part that determines the overall score, then that would definitely look like a 1.0.However, If that processor was not an engineering sample, it would probably say a lot more!
Just a few notes
The RAM may well be 1066MHz and run at 800MHz.Vista index of 1.0 just means the score has not been run.
As far as the PSU goes, 1000W is overkill for sure, but it is still less than the 1200W that has been popular lately by both AMD and Intel on their setups.